Nice review.

I don't agree that frig-only holes are going to be great for defending against a siege. If you don't have such a WH in your system when the siege is happening, it's no use to you. If you do, you will still lose to the larger blob unless your POS comes out of reinforcement in an advantageous timezone.

*An average C4 site payout is (was?) 110 million ISK and requires 2 people. An average C3 site payout is 80 million ISK and requires one person.

The whole point of calling your spacefriends and getting them into the system via frigate holes is to not be outnumbered horribly.

Umm.. back when I dualboxed c3 sites with Tengu/Mach a couple years ago I was making 40-50mil on average. Sleeper salvage has gone down since then. I don't disagree on c3's being better cause I could finish the site in like 8 mins or something, just don't want you to be misleading.

Also, c4 site requires 2 people? We're running c5 sites with solo marauders I don't see how a c4 would require 2 people...

Yeah gonna call bullshit on the isk numbers on the c2 and c3. The rest of the post is ok-ish but the numbers are too high. C3 sites are about 30 mil in blue loot and whatever the mnr fairy drops which is not much. One example is 10 sites for about 350 mil. .

Yeah gonna call bullshit on the isk numbers on the c2 and c3. The rest of the post is ok-ish but the numbers are too high. C3 sites are about 30 mil in blue loot and whatever the mnr fairy drops which is not much. One example is 10 sites for about 350 mil.


The issue is that overall the changes are underwhelming. Where are the pos and roles changes. where are the content updates like new sites and sleepers. Where are the t3 rebalances. Where is the salvage rebalance so that the other junk besides mnr are usefull other than take up space.

Most valued combat anomaly in a c3 is the Outpost Frontier Stronghold, 32.5m in blues. Of the data/relic sites its the Unsecured Frontier Database that clocks in at 72.5m in blues. The other salvage is very random what you end up with.

For the time/effort to do these sites solo (that is solo with no alts multi boxing). You probably better of do level 4s in empire.

Would love to see you expand on your thoughts on the mass spawn distance changes other than "WH people hate it so it must be good"

Dunno where the OP spends his time. Seems he read the patch notes but doesn't live in w-space. Everybody has to spam their particular misinformed opinion I guess.

You still need the frig hole in your system at some point in the siege and it needs to open to somewhere with a k-space static. Frig holes are w-space only. You need the connecting wormhole system to be inactive and connecting to k-space with reasonable number of jumps to your buddies. Its a long shot. Almost certainly the planets will not align in this manner for you to save your tower(s).

Frig holes were a nice idea on paper. Dreams of fiery death in clashing swarms of tiny ships. But the idea had no "reality balancing" or integration into the whole wormhole ecosystem. Hence all they really do now is further screw up the balance between PvP and PvE to replace PvP losses along with all the extra "swiss cheese" random holes.

Frig holes are not w-space only and even if they were you would just need a k-space exit anywhere in that chain and then your army of interceptors can go.

while i think frig holes are a pile of **** they do make it easier to defend a wh, as long as you are lucky enough to get a frig hole while getting sieged anyways

Frig holes are w-space only. You need the connecting wormhole system to be inactive and connecting to k-space with reasonable number of jumps to your buddies.

ditto.

OP, what, in your eyes, is actually good about the mass-based spawn distance?
Im not gonna repeat here my arguments regarding this change, or the countless posts and arguments by a large number of people, which never got commented on by CCP yet.

It is clear, as Fozzie had said, you cant make everyone happy. No matter what they change, there will always be someone complaining. Thus, some (not all) people started to move out of WHs, and some (not all) stopped buying more game time for alt accounts, thats a fact. No problem, Fozzie cant make everyone happy, I get that.

So here is the con, but what is the pro actually?

In order to make it a good change, there should be benefits, no?
Do you seriously think this change will attract people from k-space to wh-space, at a rate that at least compensates for those who are leaving because of it? And if so, why?

If you bother to post your own review of Hyperion here, would it be possible to give a fair analysis why you think this change is good?

This is incorrect, there are frig holes from w-space to k-space, just took some last night.

So yeah - there's no upside. You have the same sites with the same rewards, only you probably can't run them half the time anymore because your wormhole - which have an earning potential considerably less than Incursions do by orders of magnitude - is swiss cheese.

As the member of a C5 resident corp I don't have a problem with the spirit of the mass distance change, at least for C5+ where the serious money is made, but the blunt and narrow minded way it was applied - I do. Worst of all it is done in the very same expansion that Incursions were buffed in. You'd think CCP really don't want people to bother living in W-space, frankly, which is a shame because it's so cool.

Was the review really necessarily? There's 10 pages of people loving or hating the changes already. You wrote quite a bit but I don't see the editorial being anything that'll shed light on something new.