Sure, but that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems that people who had no connection, or only a tangential connection to pre-Erotica 1 ban bonus rooms have been permabanned

I am disgusted by hypocrits. Funny when i am shot down, or i shoot down others, i do not get any threats. Especially no RL threats. I get frustrated loosing a ship and get angry. (and my vitim too) but...
So the question you avoid: What do YOU do, that someone gets so agitatet? I assume, that you willingly provoke those actions. So in the end, you wouldn't have shot someone, you humuliate them out of the game.
You probalbly think this is smart!

CCP should be applauded by their stance.

Third time?

Please elaborate.

Maybe, just maybe it's guilt by association?

Maybe they were in the rooms and did nothing to stop it?

Maybe they just laughed at the victims plight?

Maybe it's absolutely nothing to do with the bonus room thing.

I don't know.

I still believe that every single one of them know why it happened, or have a damn good inkling of why it happened though.

i look forward to the TMC article on said topic.

Why must you make it so hard for me to find my entertainment? :(

CCP doesn't work on precedent, and things like doxxing for intimidation tend to be pretty cut and dried in online communities because it's toxic as ****. There's a reason why something that'll get you a two week ban can get another guy a permanent/indefinite ban, and it all has to do with context, prior violations, and other such things.

Meh, my guess is she lives in Australia. $30 is a pretty standard minimum wage for a casual fast-food employee in their early to mid 20s who's worked for at least 24 months in the same job.

I actually looked it up a little while ago. $24 casual rates for adults, $30 on Sundays, for employees that have moved beyond entry level. $16-$20 is for entry level or teens. And they're termed as award rates, not minimum wage per se.

Or maybe they did RMT
Or run a bot or two
Or have a program running in background alerting the local spike
Or they got away first time with warp to zero but four a way around and still use it
Or cyno titan something
Or played the drop the drone pick the drone after it was declared illegal
Or all the stuff you can do but you are not allowed to do


If all the bans were handed in one wave it doesn't mean they were for the same illegality.

This is a good point. I managed a Subway for about sixx months and had my owners pushing me to 'hire more juniors'. Meanwhile, I didn't have enough seniors to supervise them all so I was covering about 60-80 hours a week and getting paid for 40 of 'em.

I walked out of that one. No severance, but didn't give a ****. Went and found a cozy new assistant chef's job at a nice little 3-star in Albion, Brisbane a few days later, worked there for about two years as an assistant, 2-3 more as head chef. And not a junior in sight.

CCP are screwed no matter what they do. Release the info or not release it.

Here's the thing.

You (like everyone else posting) have no idea why the bans were done. You are simply speculating to push your agenda.

Mr Epeen

Except in this case the nefarious 'agenda' is requesting CCP to inform us what is banworthy behavior, to institute a system of warnings instead of permanent bans for things that don't seem to be obvious EULA breaking behavior, and for these rules to be applied consistently.


We all have enough data to know that none of my 3 points is currently implemented.

No one playing EvE at EvE's sake, is in any danger of being hit by the ban hammer.

Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on?

And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident.

Yes, I am sure the folks at CCP sat around trying to figure out ways to ban players who did nothing.

Because you initiated the harm. You took an action that cost a player his ship, money, etc... and is likely to leave him in an emotionally pained state.

Hell, not too long ago a dev was ransomed for a song.

There is no roulette.

Actually the various posts about inconsistency would indicate that there clearly IS inconsistency. There is no spin, this is what's happening. The Mittani's ban (the most public ban)was totally inconsistent with later bans. CCP ARE being inconsistent. That's not spin, that's a fact. If there's inconsistency then there is a roulette.

Generally that means too many people started doing it as harassment, so don't do it anymore.

As soon as you explain how mining is harassment.

Why do so many people insist that CCP explain themselves? There seems to be some broad assumption that it's all

bonus room related. There is the possibility this is the result of a long time investigation. Perhaps CCP has been

observing these players behaviours and actions of a period of time and made a decision based on evidence they

gathered. At any rate if the community insists on evidence/explanations/clarifications then CCP would have to

jeapordize any active investigations by giving specific details. Some of the same people making real life

comparisons have repeatedly in the past stated real life comparisons are irrelevant. Why the change of heart? It

truly is none of our business why certain individuals got banned. It's almost as if common sense suddenly became a

commodity and some people are trying to trade in counterfeit stock.

You have proof that these random players have done absolutely nothing to get themselves banned? Is their word so trustworthy you would allow them access to your account to play on with no worries? In my experience as a former game admin and forum admin, people you come to trust will most certainly dissappoint you when you least expect it.

Most would be concerned if any of that was actually happening. The thing is, that CCP isn't going after scammers, gankers, bumpers or general evildoers of the EVE universe. Your group of "random" people, that CCP is investigating, seem to all be a part of a very well know group linked to out-of-game bullying. Maybe some of them will be found not to be involved after the investigation, but there is nothing odd or random for them to be under investigation. There was rule breaking activity going on where they spent their time. Saying they were just there for no reason after CCP busted the gathering place isn't a reason to ignore them in their investigation. Not investigating their part in the activities on the other hand would be unacceptable. As I said, if they did not take part in our-of-game bullying they have nothing to fear. The fact they're are scrambling in panic seems to indicate at least some of them will not be seen in-game ever again for a good reason and EVE will be better for it.

What proof do you have that innocents were banned besides your heartfelt and earnest testimony? I don't care who was banned or why. I worry that people get away with seriously messed up stuff and nothing happens. If I'm not going to provide proof and/or evidence to back up any claims I make, then I don't expect much help from CCP. Again, people can be very respectful and good player types to you, but may be intolerable to others. Too many rules lawyers here trying to argue a point in a game that has virtually no rules. But you want explanations and proof about something no one has any idea of why or how an action was taken. Proof or you're wrong....

Maybe the developers are tired of hearing the same complaints about the same people?

Well, not that I expect anyone to care, but it's important that CCP understand. I just cancelled my subscription. CCP's attitude in this matter is utterly unconscionable and Falcon's passive aggressive and borderline insulting posts are unacceptable. I can only hope that CCP learn the hard way when subscriber numbers drop.

Congratulations Falcon, hope you're proud.

I'll trust the word of a GM more than someone who got banned and goes "nono, i did nothing at all, I wasn't even there".

No, it kind of isn't. Because as Falcon said, the second they start giving concrete examples, the real douch bags of the game community will start seeing just how close to that line they can get. It's in the nature of a douche bag to push and test limits, even ones as simply ridiculous as these.

It's better that CCP leave themselves the flexibility in their position they have now so they can escort the undesireables to the door with alacrity.

It's a little off topic, so forgive me, but this has been bugging me for a while now.... why is it that you Aussies are always wrong about what day it is?

It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble.

Played for 10 years, never been banned or similar while having pulled many stunts, but (obviously) just in game ones. Apparently I'm doing it right.

Wait, isn't that the opposite of the Goon's moto?

I once filed a petition asking if people pulling GM mails from my API constitutes sharing of GM correspondence.

Since I had to ask a GM for a rule clarification was my brain not working?

Sure why not. I don't particularly care whether you are innocent or not - should have kept better company dude. Hang with bad people - get treated as such. Welcome to the real world.

That's unfortunately a fact of life, it depends on how many people are aware of a case, before there can be general consensus on it, or even a discussion. Such as the case for Mittens, having done it at fanfest, players kicking a rightful fuss and media outlets picking up on it.

Well there you go, simple correlation/causation fallacy.

They were not banned for being in the bonus channel, but people likely to commit bannable offences are also the type of person to have used the bonus channel at some point. Explains why not all bonus room participants were banned.

Ok, well in that case, as evidence doesn't matter to proving your point, it has no ground to stand on, have fun! I'm just going to log into EvE. o7

Edit: Necro, i.e. bring back to life, in thise case Remiel purposely tries to bury his argument once he finds he has no warped attempt at rational thinking to stand on. Now he's resorting to personal attacks and ignorance of the opposing view, in the hopes CCP will change their mind.

Did you read the post above the one you accused me of throwing a tantrum in or did you ignore that too? I tl;dr'd my point for you. Want me to paint you a picture of it? Maybe put it into a popup book for you?

You're right, I'm done. Done attempting to have a rational discussion. Done. I'd just tried, just before you came in here tonight. I've tried multiple times, each time I get accused of fallacies by you because you miss my entire point. Each time, I get abused by some scornful carebear that just doesn't like me. And your pretentiousness isn't helping things either, especially after the night I've had. So, go back, read the post above the first one you necrod tonight, and there is a wall of text there with my points in it for you to read.