The information we have so far from Ero on this latest round of bans is very disconcerting.

We will update as more information becomes available.

F

If you don't want to get banned you have some very simple solutions. Stop making the focus of your gameplay hurting/angering/humiliating others. Tear collection is not a legitimate objective in Eve. Focus on accomplishing things that help you, not on accomplishing things that hurt others. Now, if in the process of helping yourself and you suicide gank or scam someone, and they get angry, that is fine. Just take your win and move on. Don't look to revel in the moment, collect tears, mock them, try to get them on coms, etc.... Just take your winning, give a GF and go. If the focus of your game is to see how mad you can make other people get, and what kind of reactions you can elicit, then yes, you are doing it wrong, and potentially could get banned. If you just focus on helping yourself, and don't engage with people you are harming, then no, you are not really at risk of a ban. To me that is a clear enough line already.

The difference of course being that the carebears are incompetent delicate ******* flowers who need mommy CCP to deal with the big bad ganker baddies. They throw tantrums when CCP doesn't act and pretend it was their doing when CCP does.

I can't think of any reason why having a public ban list would be a bad thing...

No because account sharing is a bannable offense. It's got nothing to do with trust.

I don't think those banned are claiming that they've done "nothing wrong", well at least not all of them. Rather that they don't know what they have been banned for other than a three-word vague description. So no, they really don't know why they got banned - only CCP does at this point.

And I agree, there is likely more to this story than we have been told, but again therein is the problem with these policies - confusion, lack of consistency, uncertainty and resentment. Regardless of what they did it seems to me those banned, if not the community-at-large in the case of a mass ban wave, deserve a specific account of what they did that made CCP decide they are no longer welcome to play Eve. If some rule has changed, or is now being enforced, the player base need to know.

Strangely enough, the dev posts in this thread, or on this topic, not only don't state why anyone was banned, they don't state whether anyone was banned. We've got people who claim to have been banned, assumptions as to why they were supposedly banned, and a lot of talk about what is and is not harassment, that might be suitable for a philosophy symposium, but doesn't have a universally applicable, objective definition.

As far as I can tell, CCP really only has two choices: decide on a case-by-case basis depending on the circumstances, or draw a bright line that will be far too restrictive for the tastes of a lot of people in this discussion. (I talked about the various do-not-cross depth lines for submarines about twenty pages back in this thread; this would be equivalent to drawing a line at "test depth" and saying "do not cross or you will be banned".)

Hai space lawyer!

Please contrast your above links with the following ones...

This.

This

and recently...

This.

I welcome your insights on how 'common sense' can be uniformly applied by the multitude of players in the 'sandbox' to make the right call on grey areas, when CCP marketing and CCP banhammer aren't even evidently on the same page?

F

i also find it hilarious that he believes he's important enough to be shown evidence

i guess he was told he was special as a child, like so many others, and this gives him the notion that his opinion is so important that he must be swayed with concrete proof

Hydra Reloaded ATXII ad.... love it, applies here with a minor tweak.

MY HEART'S BEATIN', MY HEART'S BEATIN',
MY HANDS ARE SHAKIN', MY HANDS ARE SHAKIN',
BUT I'M STILL SHOOTIN'. AND IM STILL GETTIN' HEADSHOTS

BOOM! HEADSHOT!

evepal -> BOOM! HEADSHOT! -> Remiel Pollard
evepal -> BOOM! HEADSHOT! -> Andski
evepal -> BOOM! HEADSHOT! -> Kaarous Aldurald

Thats exactly what myl little brother used to do to me when we were kids. Our mother would often tell me, "he's just doing this to make you mad, to get a reaction out of you, so dont let him upset you like that."

In retrospect, Im glad she didnt kick my brother out of the house, and her advice about not letting someone "get to you" has served me well in life. And in EVE