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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2014.09.11 09:48:00 -
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Training an alt with very good frigate skills but cheap clone and cheap implants takes maybe 3 months. Every wormholer can easily have such an alt on one of his accounts. Now with dual training you don't even need to pause training on your main.
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
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Posted - 2014.09.11 10:04:00 -
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Why not? The problem that frig combat is unfeasible for high-sp characters is universal to EVE and not specific to wormholes. If you want to utilize frigates, you should have a low-sp, cheap-clone alt. The only new thing is that EVE now kind of forces us to even consider using frigates, where before they were almost completely ignored in wspace.
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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2014.09.11 10:33:00 -
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I wouldn't mind having clone swapping. But it wouldn't change much on its own anyway. The bigger problem with using frigs in wormholes is that when you die, you don't respawn in your home base like a nullsec guy does. Instead you respawn somewhere in hisec with possibly not even a known route to your home. That is not added risk but simply annoying. For that reason alone I wouldn't normally use a frigate in wspace pvp with my main.
...however, with my frigate alt, why not? If he is podded to hisec, well, then that's it with frig combat for the day and I can switch back to my main. And on the next convenient occasion I'll bring my alt back in.
Of course we can ask for cloning facilities in wspace. But first it's doubtful if we ever get it, and second it's not even a good thing, because the risk/ability to get podded out/pod so. out is an important part of wspace pvp.
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Terrorfrodo
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Posted - 2014.09.11 12:26:00 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:Why not? The problem that frig combat is unfeasible for high-sp characters is universal to EVE and not specific to wormholes. If you want to utilize frigates, you should have a low-sp, cheap-clone alt. The only new thing is that EVE now kind of forces us to even consider using frigates, where before they were almost completely ignored in wspace. It's not unfeasible and certainly not universal. You are actually saying that being risk-averse is unfortunately common. Anyway, you're more likely to get out of a bubble in a frigate than in a bigger ship. Approaching frigate PVP as something that invariably gets you killed mostly tells about lack of experience. Yes, it's faster and harder but that surely doesn't mean "high-SP players with expensive implants" should be treated somehow differently than new players.
Of course they shouldn't be treated differently, that's what I said.
Nonetheless, it makes little sense to engage in frig combat with a 100m+ sp character with a slave set. You don't utilize 80m of your skillpoints but still have to pay the high cost for a new clone upgrade if you get podded. And you risk your expensive slave set without getting a noticable benefit from it while fighting in your frig. So in general it would be stupid to fly a frigate with that character instead of a 20m sp character with maybe 20m in implants. Because that character will have 90% of the efficiency in that frigate with 1% of the capital at risk.
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