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MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 4	Posted - 2014.09.11 22:04:00 - [1] - Quote Being one of the small null sec alliances that fights the CFC and goons daily here is my take. Even though we have 1300 in alliance and in the range of 60+ capitals we can never field them or we will be crushed. The speed at which the enemy can bridge ships in our area makes most of our capital usage rare and ninja in fashion. (in fact that goes for subcapitals as well) The JB network allows the enemy to bridge ahead of us even using ceptors, it has basically made gate travel non existant in vast portions of null. The defensive SBU ability is silly. and the vast HP to take out structures and multi tiered timers actually makes it every hard for smaller groups to try and disrupt and hurt the enemy. Since they can travel vast distances with their capital forces to defend for timers. so fast and quick attacks cannot be done. Even though most of the time there is no one around in most of the enemy space, the quick time to build a blob and move it is a huge restriction for small attacking forces. Most of their vast area lies undefended 99% of the time, however timers allow these much larger numerical forces to bring blobs to bear, compound that with instant travel times for capital and subcapital forces, and it makes it almost impossable for smaller entities to take ground. The enemy like in any war should have to choose where to place defensive fleets....and by that choice leave areas weak for attack. Thats not the case now... they are equally positioned to defend everywhere. I dont think "the alpha" wrecking ball ect is the issue.... the issue is the wrecking ball can be anywhere and everywhere instantly. Especially since they know when and where the timers will be.
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 25	Posted - 2014.09.18 21:06:00 - [2] - Quote Really if they had any sense they would just contact the groups that are in the position of fighting the large power blocs on a daily basis. And in a blob type/power projection/ overwelming logistics type scenarios. And just ask them their take on the largest barriers to entry in SOV null. Most of us are confined to NPC null , due to the issues that do not allow us to hold or take SOV. groups like TRI, BL, PASTA, MOA ,,,ect ect . we all face the same challenges against the power blocs, and have a very good eye level view of what changes are needed to allow smaller groups to flourish. most have been mentioned in this thread. All of those groups listed have easily reachable active players in leadership positions who would be more than willing to discuss the whole issue. allowing the fox to dictate to the chickens whats best for them, is not the best Idea. Especially since the CSM is mostly foxes. Mass
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 25	Posted - 2014.09.20 01:40:00 - [3] - Quote Retar Aveymone wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: No you cannot. Your excuse is bullshit and you know it. If commitment was all that mattered then some woudl be doing. We roam YOUR space and other groups space from time to time and almost never anyone comes trying to stop us, because a group of 15 shisp cannot do ANY damage that would force the sov holders to even log in and leave their mumble. yes you can we just then crush you like moa is now learning as they're camped out of their home what you are actually whining like a little girl for is a way to win despite us responding, basically begging the devs to win your fights for you Exact case in point..... you would think that MOA having upwards of 60+ capitals and some supers and titans of our own we could push your capitals off the undock. Unfortunately the current power projection does not allow that. We have eyes on your titans and we know that we could crush the capital fleet you have close, however we know that within a short period of time we would have to deal with not only your capitals but all the local CFC capitals as well, all with in a time span of a battle starting and it ending... our fleet would be welped and with the overwelming reps of your archons it would be one sided. its your JB network and your ability to project that power..that is the key.....if you had to move 15 jumps from YAO to 5zxx-k , Do you really think you could camp the station? NO ...we would kill you off every time. Its the ability to cyno in from vast distances from multiple alliances huge amounts of ships.... so why would we field our capitals? we dont of course..they sit like pretty jewels in our hangers useless.... carriers reduced to ship haulers for moving to deployment areas. one more annoying factor that small null sec groups will tell you is that Dictors dont aggro when they bubble...so they can basically perma bubble in people in NPC stations... what does this do.... it forces us to base out of silly low sec areas so they cant bubble. Its a huge advantage being able to bubble and not gain aggro on npc stations your ability to "crush" groups like ours..is not due to some vast awesome skills you have,..its a product of failed game mechanics. I will tell you this now..if the game mechanics change, and we know that your capital fleet is not able to interfere with battles that are far away... we will use the tools at hand.. and I can safely say that in any battle that is even close to equal odds, it will be us that is doing the crushing....
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 25	Posted - 2014.09.20 22:50:00 - [4] - Quote Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: MASSADEATH wrote: I will tell you this now..if the game mechanics change, and we know that your capital fleet is not able to interfere with battles that are far away... we will use the tools at hand.. and I can safely say that in any battle that is even close to equal odds, it will be us that is doing the crushing.... Well, time for you to put your money were your mouth is. An Incursion just spawned in the constellation with 5ZX. I think CCP is calling you out. :munch: Some money on the table.... http://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25299994 almost 2:1 against us and we come out way ahead still since you were limited to the people locally you could pull from... and could not cyno in your usual blobs
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 25	Posted - 2014.09.21 01:23:00 - [5] - Quote And this is why we cant let the large power blocs decide what is best. Even when presented with the truth , there are always angles, and this but, and no but... you killed us...but it was just ratters...it was not the right ships....we could not get back up...ect ect... The whole point was that you had numerical superiority in the system, however the inability for you to cyno in reenforcements ended in you losing several fights. Simple as that ,,proving the point we were trying to make. You will not do anything that is not in your best interest, and this is why the game has reached a level of stagnation. The power blocs would rather collect and hoard.... one upping each other on who can pump out more supers and Titans. Its basically the "cold war" of stockpiling nukes...even though the super powers had literally thousands of nukes...they still needed more.. They use the vast "renter" regions to hoard more and more isk, as a hedge against a war, and more and more supers stocked up. Whilst the game withers under out of game "botlord" accords.
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 26	Posted - 2014.09.21 22:29:00 - [6] - Quote So we threw down with capitals ..and guess what happend? goon rapage 5.5b killed to .8b lost http://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25315687 then we ran them out of system, and caught a few stragglers from the mouth of a goon himself ..proves our point exactly... when they are limited to what they have locally and cannot pull from vast distances...small groups can use capitals and defend their space. Dogan Malkavian > And you only could undock because of the incursion? Dogan Malkavian > You literally undocked a blob of carriers. Dogan Malkavian > Normally you could not. Dogan Malkavian > Because you know what would happen to your carriers if there wasn't an incursion in the system. Dogan Malkavian > This is the first time that MoA ever undocked in something that can fight, and it's because of the incursion in the system!
MASSADEATH MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels 27	Posted - 2014.09.22 02:22:00 - [7] - Quote utter lack of judgement :) which mechanics cant fix :)

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