Force Projection for noobs..

a carrier with jump cal 5 which takes months of training and fuel conservation 4 the max jump range of a archon (all carriers) is 14.6 light years. the closest i could get to that distance was 14.02 light years in this

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Archon,544/Ihakana:Aunenen

as you can see it will cost a single archon roughtly 12,655 units of fuel to make 1 jump. and to go back to the system it started in is another 12,655. thats a total of 25,310 per round trip 1 max distance jump away.

currently helium isotopes are going for about 1,084 at the time of this post in amarr, one of the cheepest locations for it in empire as shown below

http://www.eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=16274

so if we take the cost per unit of helium and multiply it by the amount of fuel required 25,310 x 1,084 you get 27,436,040 isk to move 1 system and back. now since we are crying about fleets of archons, lets multiply the amount of fuel to go 1 round trip at max distance for 250 archons. 25,310 x 250 = 6,327,500 units of helium. now lets find the cost of that.. 6,327,500 x 1,084 = 6,859,010,000 isk.

so with a cost to move a 250 man archon fleet to its location and then back again providing it took no damage on the move it will cost the archon fleet almost 7 billion isk to go 28 light years which again is 1 max distance jump cycle and back again.

lets now put it in perspective. say a 250 man slowcat fleet Formed in the NC staging system of FAT and went to kill some poor capitals to get to nisuwa the location of the recent eve bet event. that would equal 82.5 light years.. 41.25 there and 41.25 back.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Archon,544/FAT-6P:Nisuwa

a total amount of 18,561,500 helium isotopes and multiply that by isotope cost 18,561,500 x 1084 = 20,120,666,000 isk.
fuel consumption per light year is the same across all capital class ships. with the excaption of JFs which pay alot more.

titans would also cost alot more since we dont have the reach to get there and no one has an entire titan route setup with everyone online at one time so alot of the time titans have to follow the fleet to bridge again putting them at risk as well as costing them stupid amounts of fuel to bridge.

so in the end u complain about force projection of capitals and how over powered they are but u have no idea how much it costs to move such a fleet. so 20 billion isk is the cost for an average 250 man carrier fleet to reach across eve and go home.. if you still think this is broken then no one can help your stupidity.

thank you all for your time

But our way will "fix" it forever and free up a lot more space for renters. We don't want to fix force projection so we can keep our SRP and blue timbit.

Its not projection you need to deal with its our fleets invincibility. It doesn't matter if we take 1 hour or 4 hours to get there what matters is what happens when we get there

Biggest problem, R e n t.

I mean really? That is the game? A couple of fat entities sit and pull in massive isk while doing nothing? I will never be a part of that. No 'real' gamer would. I see sheep.

Something similar to the above would take care of the main problem. Simple.

Want to see tears? That's what the game is all about isn't it?

Or go on with renting, lolz.

aside from all the other changes:


We play eve in our free time.
Now we should wait and spend our free time having less fun and just idle for some kind of cool down or by boring travelling by gates?

CCP - in the small amount of time I have - I want to play this game and have time todo stuff! I don't want to move every second day a jf a jump and wait for the cool down and fly the cyno around - that much time I do not have!

Please consider this!

You claim to want to help the small groups in null... Why not listen to them?

Check out those who have responded.. and what size of alliance/corp they belong to.. see what they suggest.

If I could ask for just one thing.. don't mess with logistic ships. jump freighters specifically. no one will hop drop in a freighter anyway. so why not keep them as is. so people can keep the life blood of small alliances moving?

Personally, I would *love* to see capitals as part of roaming fleets.