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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:56:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Random Womble wrote:
While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg.
Could you explain the connection between the first half and second half of the sentence? (1) they are a worse deal per dollar (2) none of the items received are anything but of the starter variety (3) all of them can be purchased in game I think these don't fit the definition of pay to win. What kind of "winning" is somebody enjoying after buying one of these packs? Can you provide an example?
it creates something from nothing which can be an issue. That said, I'm pretty sure you can get most of those items by doing the career missions and the value created is very small. So more or less the response is don't care.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:13:00 -
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sib, this is the pay to win process involving inconsequential items.
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Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:16:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:sib, this is the pay to win process involving inconsequential items.
These new robot arms helped me beat you in arm wrestling the other day.
If that's not P2W, then I don't know what is.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:21:00 -
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please don't involve me in non-consensual RP. we never armwrestled.
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Varesk
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:45:00 -
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Random Womble wrote:It has just come to my attention the contrary to previous statements that CCP would not sell in game assets that would compete with the player driven market and production they are infact offering a limited number of items (as part of a set of "Add-ons" as well as their starter packs) in steam. Where this differs from previous offerings is that items have been only attainable through packs and not able to be player produced these new Add-on packs include standard ships Sigil, breacher, heron and Epithal, minerals, items like cargo expanders and blueprints (presumably BPCs) While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg. Perhaps i have missed the boat on this and perhaps not everyone else will be so enraged the links are as follows btw. http://store.steampowered.com/app/320551/http://store.steampowered.com/app/320552/http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/no doubt i am well behind in this
if you play eve, you will look at those and laugh, first for using steam then for the stuff you get. its nice to see CCP is trying to help new players with some stuff. when i started, along with so many others in this game, you only got a rookie ship and 1 unit of trit.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:09:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:please don't involve me in non-consensual RP. we never armwrestled.
Watchlisted for CQ pillow fight.
lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin
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Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:11:00 -
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Oh no, I can pay $5 for an Epithal, cargo extenders (on an Epithal?), cheap skills and some clothes.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.15 02:31:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Rain6637 wrote:please don't involve me in non-consensual RP. we never armwrestled. Watchlisted for CQ pillow fight.
phancas only. no bougie vise allowed
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Avaelica Kuershin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.15 04:31:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Pay to win has been here for a while now.. buy plex.. but a character .. buy more plex, sell in game.. and buy stuff..
I got the impression that was "pay for lossmail" |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.09.15 04:56:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:In principle this is wrong.
While the value/quantity of stuff being magicked into existence is small, it sets a terrible precedent. CCP will probably point to this precedent later to justify far more sandbox-breaking, pay-to-win 'offers.'
I agree, the items themselves are obviously mostly trivial in these packs, but in the future if limited edition items are sold as dlc? PLEX was designed as the one item you could buy out of game and so it has a vibrant market. Competition would dilute that and though it obviously wouldn't be pay to win, it's still buying in-game items directly with cash. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2014.09.15 05:00:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Put on a shirt! Why don't you ........................ ....................... take yours off? ;)
I like where this is going. Please, continue... |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.09.15 06:56:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Solecist Project wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Put on a shirt! Why don't you ........................ ....................... take yours off? ;) I like where this is going. Please, continue...
For assorted weirdness, OOPE. For softcore in character erotism, TGFB. 
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2014.09.15 07:33:00 -
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If it gets more people playing by helping them at the start of Eve, then i am all for it tbh.
Seems you can't win
EVE IS DYING on one side
OMG HELPING NEW PLAYERS on the other
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Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.15 07:34:00 -
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I'm outraged that you can get like maybe 10 million worth of useable stuff at most for the price of a PLEX.
Outraged !
Well that and some coats.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.15 08:36:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Pay to win has been here for a while now.. buy plex.. but a character .. buy more plex, sell in game.. and buy stuff..
This isn't about Pay2Win, it's about CCP breaking the economic sandbox. PLEX may be P2W but it doesn't spawn assets from thin air.
Sadly, we're already so far down the slippery slope ("starter packs" etc) that nobody cares about the integrity of the sandbox anymore.
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2014.09.15 08:41:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Sobaan Tali wrote:Solecist Project wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Put on a shirt! Why don't you ........................ ....................... take yours off? ;) I like where this is going. Please, continue... For assorted weirdness, OOPE. For softcore in character erotism, TGFB. That's true.
OOPE is full of weirdness with no brains behind ...
... but TGFB is actually quite erotic.
Now even with paragraphs!
For everything sensual and real-time related ... oh man I really need to get out of my bed ..........
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2014.09.15 10:11:00 -
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Now who in the world would bring such a thing to your attention, your highness...or majesty...whichever...hmmmm?
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2014.09.15 10:28:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Now who in the world would bring such a thing to your attention, your highness...or majesty...whichever...hmmmm? Are you talking to me? :/
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Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:30:00 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:GordonO wrote:Pay to win has been here for a while now.. buy plex.. but a character .. buy more plex, sell in game.. and buy stuff.. I got the impression that was "pay for lossmail"
Well someone is winning...seems odd to pay for someone else to win though.
Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:40:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:This isn't about Pay2Win, it's about CCP breaking the economic sandbox. GǪbut they're not doing that either. Again, this is no different than giving newbies a frigate during the tutorial. In fact, it's even less than that, since the tutorial stuff is handed out en masse and this isn't.
Quote:To think that just merely years ago people were ready to lynch CCP for spawning Scorpion hulls out of thin air. That's because what they were suggesting would break the sandbox in new and interesting ways: specifically, insert money, get (huge amounts of) minerals to wherever you want whenever you want. So it's pretty much entirely unlike what we have in this case.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
Reverberation Project
534
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:42:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:
Would be great if you got 3 mil sp to use as you will, as part of a starter pack, it would get you into your profession quicker.
Yeah, that'd be cool, and I wouldnt have a probkem with it. I think the basic idea is how those cerebral accelerators work, although it sure seems like a lot of people sell them. vov
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Erika Tsurpalen
SoulFire Gaming
The Alliance of The Eternal Flame
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:52:00 -
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-ú4 for a few million worth of basic stuff?
CCP you sly bastards.
Someone tell the newbies for -ú15 they can get 800mil and they will flip their ****.
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