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Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.10.08 15:56:00 - [31] Pureblind is still dangerous monsieur; and the NVA is fighting a war to clear the region of illegals and scoundrels. If you were to travel there without your TTI tags then you must go carefully, check local for the presence of known brigands when entering each system, and make sure your autopilot doesn't carry you automatically into an ambush. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.10.08 16:02:00 - [32] Monsieur Calladen Quote: I was wondering what the level of access is to Venal for non-NVA members at the moment. I've left some things up there from a couple of months ago when I left and would like to retrieve them. Is the area open to all yet or still under blockade? Pureblind and Venal is open to friendly and independent traffic. But there are some restrictions; Y-4 and 6NJ (as outlined by Athule). Also mining tariffs and agreements are still in the discussion phase so no large-scale non NVA mining is currently permitted. You will be able to make the trip to recover your possessions but I advise you to liase with NVA fleet assets by local comms and make your intentions clear. Also, be very aware that Pureblind is a pirate blackspot and dangerous. Love and peace JF Public Forum
2003Cobra	Posted - 2003.10.08 18:22:00 - [33] Hey smart guys, reason bistot is gone in Y-4 is Tank CEO and I went up there and mined it all, then sold you guys the mega=) Dont you remember that whole situation. I had a lot of fun, maybe I'll come back and visit sometime. Pod ya later Jade=) Cobra
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.10.08 18:56:00 - [34] 2003Cobra = muppet JF Public Forum
2003Cobra	Posted - 2003.10.08 19:10:00 - [35] Jade Constantine= Stupid (Explicit deleted)
Li ShangYin	Posted - 2003.10.08 19:15:00 - [36] To get back on topic once again, how would one go about to seek membership or a permit to move freely within the NVA territory? Surely a 1 man corp can't be that large a mining threat, not to mention my by now hopefully wellknown dislike for mining when I can buy ready minerals and save the time sitting in the field. Also from the last exchange of opinions I take it that indeed people still act on what is essentially rumors... ___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree. -- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D.
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2003.10.08 19:54:00 - [37] A set of fat secure containers with the TTi corp tag on them appearing over a week into the ceasefire is more than just a rumour. If it is an honest mistake then they and the TTi miners will leave. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Sally	Posted - 2003.10.08 20:06:00 - [38] Quote: We certainly do keep up with events: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=37335 We shall soon see if Mark A is telling the truth depending on whether or not the secure cans in the asteroid belts are removed. Nobody paid me (yet) to visit you. -- Stories: #1 --
Archain	Posted - 2003.10.08 20:46:00 - [39] TTI didn't send you your daily ISK payment yet? Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
Cormyat Astara	Posted - 2003.10.08 21:16:00 - [40] Maybe we are being a bit paranoid. Of course, given the recent history of Venal, I'd much rather be a little paranoid than a lot dead.
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2003.10.08 21:42:00 - [41] Quote: A set of fat secure containers with the TTi corp tag on them appearing over a week into the ceasefire is more than just a rumour. If it is an honest mistake then they and the TTi miners will leave. This is surely the point that needs focusing on.?? Why? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i
Mark A	Posted - 2003.10.09 01:06:00 - [42] I think some people are getting a little paranoid here. TTI has not been mining in Venal, and has no intentions to. There is no pact with SI. And as far as we can tell there is no evidence of any TTI activity in the area beyond one person deploying a couple of secure cans. Requests for any further names or evidence hasn't been forthcoming. In addition we had always assumed that inclusive in the ceasefire was not being shot in the region while moving our assets, although we've been avoiding even that for now in case its misconstrued. Here are the chatlogs from yesterday, edited only to remove the name of the pilot who apparently deployed the can. After that is my subsequent post on our internal forums. I'll let people make up their own minds as to our intentions in this matter, and whether its being blown out of all proportion. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Gafton conversation Listener: Mark A Session started: 2003.10.07 23:46:51 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2003.10.07 23:47:23 ] Gafton > your members are placing secure cans in venal space [ 2003.10.07 23:47:30 ] Gafton > this is in violation of the cease fire agreement [ 2003.10.07 23:47:43 ] Mark A > Who/where? [ 2003.10.07 23:47:59 ] Gafton > 4cfk to be specific [ 2003.10.07 23:48:18 ] Gafton > getting names [ 2003.10.07 23:48:57 ] Gafton > however your pilot was warned yesterday to leave and he's here today again [ 2003.10.07 23:49:17 ] Gafton > [TTI Pilot] or something is the members name [ 2003.10.07 23:49:38 ] Mark A > Ok, noted. [ 2003.10.07 23:50:17 ] Mark A > Can't see anyone's motivation to deploy cans - not like we're operating there. You're positive they weren't just there from previously? [ 2003.10.07 23:50:31 ] Mark A > Anyway, get me the names and I'll follow it up. [ 2003.10.07 23:50:32 ] Gafton > there's a possible roid respawn tomorrow [ 2003.10.07 23:50:47 ] Mark A > Believe it when I see it ;) [ 2003.10.07 23:50:52 ] Gafton > tell ur guys that nva will shoot them on sight if they see them if they're inv enal space [ 2003.10.07 23:51:55 ] Mark A > Anywhere in Venal? You're proposing breaking the ceasefire? Or do you just mean y-4/6N? [ 2003.10.07 23:52:12 ] Gafton > if your guys are mining in venal it's a no no [ 2003.10.07 23:52:58 ] Mark A > I think that's understood already. No-one has been mining there as far as I know. [ 2003.10.07 23:53:58 ] Gafton > one guy was getting ready to [ 2003.10.07 23:54:07 ] Gafton > tell your guys to leave venal in the first place [ 2003.10.07 23:54:11 ] Gafton > they shouldnt be here [ 2003.10.07 23:54:54 ] Mark A > I was told a cease-fire implies safe travel in the area, but we've been refraining from mining ops etc. [ 2003.10.07 23:55:15 ] Gafton > that was to clear out your assets [ 2003.10.07 23:55:41 ] Mark A > Perhaps we should get a few representatives together a bit later and clarify things. No offence, but I've been told different things by other people. [ 2003.10.07 23:56:30 ] Mark A > However I can see how you would be touchy if there is indeed a roid respawn, so a good time to be 100% clear. [ 2003.10.07 23:57:01 ] Gafton > yes [ 2003.10.07 23:57:32 ] Mark A > Any luck with the names on those cans so I can follow that up in advance? [ 2003.10.07 23:57:47 ] Mark A > Its possible we havent been sufficiently clear with people at this end either. [ 2003.10.07 23:58:05 ] Gafton > [TTI Pilot] [ 2003.10.07 23:58:16 ] Mark A > Ok, just him? ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Gafton conversation Listener: Mark A Session started: 2003.10.07 23:59:18 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2003.10.07 23:59:21 ] Gafton > invited [ 2003.10.07 23:59:29 ] Jade Constantine > good evening Mark [ 2003.10.07 23:59:35 ] Mark A > Good evening [ 2003.10.07 23:59:45 ] Gafton > ello [ 2003.10.08 00:00:06 ] Jade Constantine > we have been getting reports that taggart members are mining in Venal [ 2003.10.08 00:00:21 ] Jade Constantine > and though NVA hasn't engaged yet [ 2003.10.08 00:00:26 ] Mark A > Not that I'm aware, but I am following it up. [ 2003.10.08 00:00:40 ] Mark A > Apparently at least one person has deployed some cans however. [ 2003.10.08 00:01:02 ] Jade Constantine > this is a potential breach of ceasefire ... we're happy to assume taggart command has no knowledge of it [ 2003.10.08 00:01:06 ] Jade Constantine > though [ 2003.10.08 00:01:28 ] Mark A > Seems an odd place to choose to mine at the moment, given equivalent ores are available in less, err, sensitive areas. [ 2003.10.08 00:01:46 ] Jade Constantine > but can you warn your chaps that Venal and PB is off limits and they face immediate attack for being found mining (or indeed anything not related to the exodus) please [ 2003.10.08 00:01:56 ] Jade Constantine > maybe you just need to ma ____________________________________
Mark A	Posted - 2003.10.09 01:11:00 - [43] [ 2003.10.08 00:01:56 ] Jade Constantine > maybe you just need to make it plain to your members [ 2003.10.08 00:02:36 ] Mark A > If you can get me names I'll investigate - only got 1 name so far, so I think its generally understood we're not operating there. [ 2003.10.08 00:02:52 ] Jade Constantine > yep thats what i thought [ 2003.10.08 00:02:58 ] Jade Constantine > will try to get names [ 2003.10.08 00:03:06 ] Gafton > if i find out more names i'll send em along [ 2003.10.08 00:03:23 ] Jade Constantine > but could you post on internal taggart coms that we will destroy taggart miners without warning [ 2003.10.08 00:03:29 ] Jade Constantine > from this point on [ 2003.10.08 00:03:49 ] Mark A > I'll clarify the situation, yes. [ 2003.10.08 00:03:57 ] Jade Constantine > just to get the message straight ... its possible some of your chaps are confused [ 2003.10.08 00:04:01 ] Jade Constantine > thanks a lot [ 2003.10.08 00:04:17 ] Mark A > Not everyone reads the forums religiously ;) [ 2003.10.08 00:04:27 ] Jade Constantine > corp message? [ 2003.10.08 00:04:38 ] Jade Constantine > those always work pretty well [ 2003.10.08 00:04:49 ] Mark A > I think Gunny did that already, again perhaps not 100% clear. [ 2003.10.08 00:05:11 ] Mark A > BTW I'd like to talk to you more generally at some point, if that would be ok. [ 2003.10.08 00:05:37 ] Jade Constantine > absolutely .. we are past the ceasefire cool down period so i think we need to do the final peace talks [ 2003.10.08 00:05:49 ] Jade Constantine > i should be on for a bit tonight [ 2003.10.08 00:05:49 ] Mark A > Agreed. [ 2003.10.08 00:05:59 ] Jade Constantine > got some alliance stuff to do [ 2003.10.08 00:06:21 ] Jade Constantine > but will be on (evemails are a good bet to get my attention if i am distracted) [ 2003.10.08 00:06:28 ] Mark A > Ok, I need to talk to Gunny who is EST timezone, so if he's on when you are we can chat, otherwise tomorrow maybe. [ 2003.10.08 00:06:44 ] Jade Constantine > okay lets see what we can do [ 2003.10.08 00:07:09 ] Mark A > Ok. Evemail me the pilot names on those cans and I'll make sure that's sorted out also. [ 2003.10.08 00:08:07 ] Mark A > We've made it perfectly clear we'll take a dim view of anyone causing any aggravation atm... [ 2003.10.08 00:09:27 ] Mark A > Ok, nice talking to you, will get back l8r or tomorrow. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:41 am Post subject: DO NOT mine in Venal at the moment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apparenly some people have been mining, or at least deploying secure cans in the region (right in Y-4CFK even). Until an agreement as reached, the terms of which are far from certain, we just have a temporary ceasefire. This does not mean we can resume operations in the area, and I'd strongly advise staying out of Y-4 and 6N altogether, given the NVA members don't seem 100% clear on what their policy is at the moment either. NVA are getting touchy about what they see as some recent violations of our temporary accord, and are talking about opening fire on anyone mining or otherwise seen operating in the region. So as before, if in doubt, do nothing. Don't operate in Venal, but don't go out of your way to move stuff out either, as any significant presence will no doubt increase tensions. Talks continue on all fronts, so please help ease the process by staying as uncontroversial as possible - thanks. ---------------- ____________________________________

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