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Suvetar
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:26:00 -
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Folks, Please don't start posting rumours or heresay, the truth will out - as they say.
If people were banned for something, then it's up to those people to protest their case with the GMs, it's not a topic for public discussion.
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Suvetar
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:32:00 -
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Folks, until you know the facts - don't start accusing CCP or anyone of foulplay, it's deemed as trolling.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:41:00 -
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The GM team are looking into the situation and will act appropriately. One poster asked that the mods stay out of the thread, if players follow the forum rules, there will be no need for the moderators to take action.
As for actions taken against any players involved, CCP will not discuss these actions with uninvolved parties. However, any bans levied at this time may be reversed, pending the results of an investigation and recovery of illegal items if there are any.
kieron
Community Manager,
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Ok, I feel I need to ask this question, for it may effect my own gameplay.
If I am every in a situation where I kill a player and take his loot, is a GM allowed to show up and demand that I hand it over, provided that it was a fair kill? If so, could I be banned for refusing?
If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Pirlouit
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:16:00 -
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Thread cleaned and post from JA RULER deleted - please do not discuss game moderation in the forum even if he is your corpmate. thx Pirlouit.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Havelcek
There's a big flaw in your logic, which is that in the case the GM IS interfering with gameplay by using his out-of-game tools to add in-game items for whatever reason. So while its noble and all to want to investigate the situation, doing it by banning the player until you figure out WTF your staff is doing is really really disturbing.
You know what they say about making assumptions, and you are making a big one by assuming a GM is willing to risk his job by spawning some high end modules for himself or some of his buddies.
No flaw in the thinking, there are a wide variety of ways an item can make it into the game on accident, including mistakenly spawning a module for an event set-up, database or code change that adds the item to the market and more. If an item does not belong in EVE, the GMs have every authority to remove it.
If a bank makes an error and deposits money into your account, they remove the money when they discover the error. You don't get to keep it. EVE is the same way.
Folks, it's time to put away the tin-foil hats. The GMs are investigating and will take proper action as required.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Imaran
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:10:00 -
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Okay, this one has gone far enough.
Locked for discussion of Bans and Moderation.
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GM Ender
Amarr
Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08
Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
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GM Ender
Amarr
Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:18:00 -
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For those who were asking if the guy would have been caught if there hadn't been such a public occurrance...yes, absolutely.
It would have taken a little bit longer, granted, since it *is* a manual process to go through all these logs and actions, but he would have been caught regardless.
Oh, and being an EVE GM is pretty much the best job there is :)
To answer the other question, on whether we don't interview people before hiring. Of course we do. However, inevitably you'll get a rotten apple sooner or later. We have had three and a half years of straight-arrow GM's, so I think that our track record is pretty darn good so far.
That being said, it is unfathomable to me that anyone would risk it and his reputation for something like this.
Lead GM Ender
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GM Ender
Amarr
Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:44:00 -
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While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism, I can tell you that it was none of the GM's mentioned above.
When I said that this GM was brand new, I meant that he was brand new. He was hired (and fired) after the dev blog quoted was written.
Lead GM Ender
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:47:00 -
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Resorting to RL hatemongering isn't acceptable.
Offending posts removed, re-opened.
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Fara'a
Originally by: Abdalion
Resorting to RL hatemongering isn't acceptable.
Offending posts removed, re-opened.
nice to see at least a Mod is watching. Any official response from GM's soon, or will this go on till forever?
What official response are you looking for?
It appears as though a GM lead has informed the community that this issue has been resolved.
If individuals feel as though they are owed something out of this, they can petition via normal channels instead of requesting anything on the forums.
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
I think the community expects an apology from GM Ender for falsly accusing Hazad of non-cooperation, Abdalion. If you could please pass that on we'd appreciate it.
Cheers.
Sure will.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:33:00 -
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I'm locking this topic. Lead GM Ender (can't get any higher in the GM team than him) has posted a recap of the events. The GM involved is no longer working at CCP. The items were removed from the game, Hazad's account has been reinstated and from the e-mail I just received from him, he is happy with the resolution and restitution he received for the ban.
To those asking for restitution for the modules looted, the items were created and brought into the game illegally, thus no restitution will be made. If you disagree with this stance, your alternative is to submit a petition. Creating a ruckus on the forums will not have a positive effect in any attempts to sway that stance.
kieron
Community Manager,
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