The crow change does not go nearly far enough, and by that I mean, it doesn't do what it needs to.

The problem with the crow and malediction is their extreme range. Not the dps, not the tank, not the mobility; it's the range that lets them kite all the other interceptors to death and practically everything else as well. It's the range that has driven them to the top.

The malediction fix (by applying its bonus only to rockets) is entirely reasonable and does do what it needs to, nerfs the range of the malediction. This should fix it.

This crow fix does not do that. This crow fix merely increases the amount of time needed for a crow to kill something. For some reason it has even gained a damage bonus against small targets, which will make this ship even higher on the interceptor ladder.

No changes to LMLs were needed (which also affect hawks and kestrels and other not-broken-at-all ships). No changes to the slot layout, none of this. The crow can be fixed by doing to it what was done with the malediction: make the bonus only apply to rockets.

That was all you needed to do.

What do the mass changes mean effectively?

I don't understand why when you gentlemen decide to tweak some ships you perceive as too strong you do so with the HULL itself AND the WEAPON systems they use (except for, of course the Ishtar).

RIP anyone using the Malediction ever again.

I actually see the Malediction as being far more viable than the Crow after these changes. All it lost was some damage; it still has great speed, good durability, and is easy to fit. The Crow will maintain good damage and gain some application, but it'll be impossible to fit; no more MSE fits (unless you really want to use two fitting mods) since you'll need a fitting mod just to get 4x LMLs and a MWD on.

Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket brawler. With bonuses to missile range & application and scram range, it'll make a mean scram kiter, but it'll be horrible as a fleet tackler.

No, it is ruined. With a LML Malediction you have had the same chances as a Crow against drone boats on long range by flying away and shooting them with LMs, this is gone. Except for solo rocket brawling and damage-less tackle, the Malediction is now worthless again.

You'll note that I made no statement about the absolute strength of the Malediction after this change, only that it'll be better off than the Crow. Yes, Maledictions won't be able to deal as much damage while orbiting at long point range, but they'll still be far more mobile and durable than Crows will be after the change so at least they'll be able to keep fulfilling their fleet tackler role, whereas the Crow will not.

They die to drones because they cannot remove drones anymore.

I don't understand why when you gentlemen decide to tweak some ships you perceive as too strong you do so with the HULL itself AND the WEAPON systems they use (except for, of course the Ishtar).

when the only response to an interceptor fleet is to Stop Playing or Form Interceptors and Go **** With Their Friends, it doesn't take an elite PL tournament commentator to realize that interceptor fraction of gameplay grows like cancer until nearly no other content is left and even the people who are perfectly happy roaming interceptors all day get bored with not tackling eachother and go play another game.

In your case stopping to play is probably is the only choice left for you. For more capable people, however, interceptor fleets means Talwars, Caracals, Ahac with Webs, Heretics/Flycatchers and other ships that can counter ceptors perfectly fine. So please don't project your own and your coalitions inability for proper ship piloting onto the rest of the game.

im assuming in my argument that the interceptor is not a ****** and will not willingly engage something it will lose to because the choice of engagement is always in its hands

im sorry if you're the kind of fellow that runs around engaging hacs and caracals in web/scram range in your interceptor, if that's the case this argument is reasoned at a level of game understanding well above you and you can sit it out safely

Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0.
THANKS CCP

interceptors can't retain their immunity to forced engagement without eventually snuffing out nearly all organic content outside of highsec / lolsec forced content honor beacons.

when the only response to an interceptor fleet is to Stop Playing or Form Interceptors and Go **** With Their Friends, it doesn't take an elite PL tournament commentator to realize that interceptor fraction of gameplay grows like cancer until nearly no other content is left and even the people who are perfectly happy roaming interceptors all day get bored with not tackling eachother and go play another game

some might even argue much of this has already come to pass.

please, think of the children, and either remove interdiction nullification from interceptors or fix their agility so that it's not game mechanically impossible to tackle them when agility fitted, because i dont think your bottom line can withstand ccpl fuzzie's stilted vision of 23/7 420 erryday interceptor roamz.

please, think of the children, and either remove interdiction nullification from interceptors or fix their agility so that it's not game mechanically impossible to tackle them when agility fitted, because i dont think your bottom line can withstand ccpl fuzzie's stilted vision of 23/7 420 erryday interceptor roamz.

I thought the whole point of doing smaller updates at a higher frequency was to avoid crap changes like nerfing a whole weapon system as it applies to one type of ship, with blatant disregard to how it effectively breaks other ships that use the same?

The feedback has been overwhelmingly negative. I suppose the changes could have been modified before the release, had the notes on this been published more than a week and change before the release date. But, I suppose that's not your fault, either. That's assuming, of course, that you read or care what's in these forums in the first place.

the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus

so I think you're probably fine