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Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.04 22:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Darkrydar on 04/08/2006 22:23:07 I have a simple solution. CCP can set a client to only be allowed a maximum of say 25 bookmarks per character. Fleets could still move fast by using gang member slingshots (like the old days). Players could still have instadocks nd jumps in a few selective areas of choice. Additionally, you can have your safespots and can depot bookmarks. Players would just need to be selective in what they have. If you want to travel fast, fly a faster ship or fit more speed modules. What drawbacks could this suggestion have? Add: This could be done with the redesign of the sensorboosters as well to reduce lame sniperfests. Also, could the 'waaa you want more ganks' crowd please give it a rest. This has NOTHING to do with that. This has to do with the overall performace of the game moving forward.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.04 22:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Instas break the game quite badly, why do you think one can't set warp to distance to 0 instead of 15 ? It's because your ship's speed is actually supposed to matter when it comes to your safety in low sec. The devs didn't expect people to exploit it and haven't done much about it (other than interdictors and mobile warp disruptors which are pretty much just bandaids). As things stand your velocity in a travel setup is for the most part an insignificant factor, agility matters quite a lot as do WCS and your bookmarks. It's way way way too easy to avoid a fight as things stand, and with cloaks exacerbating the problem we see situations where it's extremely hard to stop an experienced player who knows what he's doing, even if you have 20-30 people hunting / gate camping just for him. It's unbalanced. Instas suck. QFT Hopefully the dev's come to their senses soon (like the lvl4's post-exodus) and find and adopt a final solution to this.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 03:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Arcsine There is nothing wrong with having instas. I can't figure out why people think it is a problem, unless they can't camp gates and shoot people. For crying out loud, give it a rest already. Love, Arcsine baby Apparently you missed the part about how they are causing a lot of stress to CCP's server? There once was a time in Eve where there were little/no use of instajump bookmarks (due to random jumpin points) somehow we all managed to play and have (more) fun then. Oh and we werent stressing CCP's db out at the same time.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 07:57:00 - [4] What a load of incoherent rambling. Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 05/08/2006 07:30:12 Leave instas alone some pirates may cry that oh people are getting away but i myself have had about 12 RL Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN friends quit eve because its to slow. OMFG, nobody but your friends probably ever quit eve! We should stop everything and get them back asap, because if they are half as bright as you are together they could mybe light my glove compartment. Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN And wtf the fun of playing eve is part of the travel speech is from a newb whos smoken some insane *** cause traveling as is makes this game somthing that pushes alot of people away. You don't need to travel anywhere if you don't want to. Believe it or not, there are a few rare humans out there with an actual attention span. Oh yeah, there are also travel modifications in EvE, I suggest trying them out. Originally by:** cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN If you remove them then freightors will be screwed and that means .0 outposts will be never again thought of because it already takes 2hrs to gather enough people to escort it then 2hrs to move it. Who would fly an unescorted frieghter through 0.0? Did you know, there is a gang feature for warping to gang mates? think about it
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:10:00 - [5] Am I the only one that doesn't bother to read Maya Rkell's posts anymore? They are all shortsighted and self-serving. I honestly cannot understand why anyone would be pro-insta seeing how much stress they cause the game hardware. It is selfishness and lack of adaptivity. My solution, limit each character to 25 bookmarks. Problem solved
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:31:00 - [6] Edited by: Darkrydar on 07/08/2006 09:33:24 Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Yea, jumpdrives.. oops, about 99% of the PvP in the game just vanished. Jump drive ships are virtually impossible to catch. When something happens, they leave the system entirely, and not in a way you can trace. You make it crucial to control ever larger areas, to spot things inbound (otherwise first sgn of the enemy fleet is when they're in your home system)." There in lies the problem demonstrated yet again... people seem to call jacking up some guy traveling pvp, sorry it is NOT pvp. Real pvp involes people trying to fight back and beat you. 99% of the problem is people want to beleive they are engaging in pvp and defending territory when really they are just pwning some passer by who had zero chance to fighting back. Territory control is eve is all but pointless it is comical people bring it up like it has some crucial compnent to the game. It might in the future but right now territory control si nada, having some guy slip in and mine roids you wouldnt bother touching and havent touch for months doesnt hurt same for some guy ratting, and better yet neither one if they did matter would have a bearing on insta's for traveling anyway, in both case's you warp to the belt and pwn the guy. If enemy's are camping in your turf.. you put together a battle squad and go kick them out. THAT is how EvE was most likely intended to be played, not sitting at a choke point with 3 warp bubbles and a blob of guys right clicking and pwning a few ships coming through. Obviosuly the whole jump anywhere you want is not a good solution though. Oddly enough another poster touched on what i also beleive is the true problem in eve... Ie the entire decision to make systems only enterable via gates. That is the problem in the end one that will never be fixed i will guess ( integral part of their server design i'll wager ) EVE would be immensley better game without gates to get into systems, and honestly the entire massive universe requiring warping to every destination is the other problem, since warping is a non interactive mode, thus everything in eve must occur at destinations instead of en route. Anyrate still havent seen a single reasonable reason to not have something like insta's beyond the classic "I WANT EZ MODE" to get kills camping gates. Nada every defense for removing insta's ( besides easing server load) has been essentially i want to gank at gates and i am tired of sitting at gates for hours having msot people get away! it might be wrapped up in a poorly thought out waaaaaaah what about corp wars or defending territoy but ultimately like i pointed out none of those activities have anything to do with insta's used to travel. What you need to get through taht very, very, VERY think head of yours is that PVP isn't consential in Eve. Got that yet? Not too mention most fleet fights happen at gate. moron Add: If somone has instas and you want to kill them, you jsut jump through and pop them on the otherside nub. You really should try playing the game before you coe and share your ill-formed thoughts.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Zaldiri So are we defending them now? Only the naive defend them anymore.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 01:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Your the moron with ill informed thoughts mkay? As you just proved that insta's are not the problem. Fleet would still fight at gates without then tard... What you think entire fleet warp onto a gate with an insta to fight? NOT... they use the gate area of course it is a destination like i said insta's being removed or left in wouldnt change it 1 single bit. First off, learn how to actually quote posts. Second, I can tell by your one year and 9 months as an undocking noob alt you must have eve down to a science. If you believe so strongly in something (or so fervently as per you), why post with an alt? Back to your ill-informend dribble. I think I have said it directed at you 100 times now (or it feels like it). I don't want to get rid of instas for more pvp. I WANT TO GET RID OF THEM TO REMOVE THE LAG THEY GENERATE. You're the steretypical forum coward. You hide behind an alt because you are scared of change. I'm sure you were all opposed to the raven nerf too, or any mydrid of other changes that have been in place. You simply are too comfortable with the status quo and fear change to your routine. Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Secondly thanks for again proving insta's don;t need to be removed because you just jump through and pop them on the other side. Sorry I do play this game which is why I know that only lazy weak players want insta's removed so they can get EZ kills camping a gate instead of working for them. There are TWO types of players that want them removed and one that doesn't. I already covered the part of you that don't want them changed for their own selfish reasons. I have news for you, they WILL be changed/gone eventually. The people that want them removed include players like myself that see what ill effects 100 million plus (quoted from oveur himself) have to the eve cluster. There are probably some people that want them kept to kill people, but thats their agenda, not mine. Interceptors can outrun gate camps fyi. If you played the game, you'd know that.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "A sniper is balanced since he gives up almost all defenses when he sets up for sniping. It takes courage to have a paper thin T2 fitted ship sitting 200k from safety since at any time a covert ops frig or cruiser could warp in a gank squad right on top of him. I do not believe for one minute that CCP would come up with getting tons of people to quit their game as a solution to resource problems. Also, the past is rarely as good as you remember it. When one group of players leave because the game is 'Too Hard' or 'Too much travelling !' or 'I have to actually be at the keyboard!!!one' another group will join because theres a distinct lack of challanging games around. I doubt you guys would be missed." LOL, yes sniping is balanced and risky NOT! what a joke to even suggest that hahahaha. Look incase you didnt notice the people whining are crying because the game is currently to hard for them to actually catch and kill people and they want it the game EASIER not harder, which makes it comical that you think the players wanting a challenge would flock back to eve with a change like this which essentially turns eve into shooting ducks in a barrel yawn. the only players that won't be missed is the small percent who think gate camping is actually playing EVE, and that prolly includes you, since you also go on about arcade mode, which again is what making it easy to camp gates would be increasing... arcade mode simply point click boom. Leanr to play eve learn to catch and trap peopel and learn that if you were ment to control; gates and claim them for your own to deny any and all passage CCP would have made it so, you're not supposed to catch every person passing a gate your at. Sorry whine all you want but i doubt CCP will be giving you EZ mode and time soon. USE THE QUOTE BUTTON I'm yet to see anyone here wanting to remove instajumps to promote sniping. PLEASE point them out. AND POST WITH YOUR MAIN COWARD
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.09 01:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Maya Rkell You MUST be able to insta to do most of the basic functions of the game with any efficientcy outside your huge blobs. WHAO THERE What in the world are you talking about? There is no task in eve that requires instas at all.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.09 07:06:00 - [11] Originally by: cryptic edge Instas are fine, WCS's are fine. Whats not fine is that eve is becoming a gank game (or I should say is already well into being one) instead of a pvp game. PVP in eve is dead, gate gankers and griefers killed it. Why do you think that is? INSTAJUMPS+WCS

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