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ChokingVictim	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:47:00 - [1] I was thinkin about going Amarr, But i hear they are kinda gimp in the attack power. So I was Thinking about minmatar or caldari, any insight would be good.And Im looking to lean more towards PvP
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:48:00 - [2] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 04/08/2006 23:48:33 Gallente/Caldari. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Cohkka LoneWolf Mining R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.04 23:50:00 - [3] For a noob? Caldari all the way... And no. Amarr do enough damage. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Darknar	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:03:00 - [4] each race has its own strenghs are weeknesses. go where your heart lies
Foulis Minmatar Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:30:00 - [5] Edited by: Foulis on 05/08/2006 00:30:11 Caldari would be for noobs. Even Jenny admits that =D. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Cycerin Strikebeam Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.08.05 00:59:00 - [6] Not so much now as it used to be, but still.. Caldari is the way to go. ---
ChokingVictim	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:40:00 - [7] why not minmatar?
Jalia Kovac Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.05 01:42:00 - [8] Originally by: ChokingVictim why not minmatar? No reason at all, especially since you're interested in PvP. ► ► Placid Reborn Headquarters ◄ ◄
ChokingVictim	Posted - 2006.08.05 02:06:00 - [9] sounds like minmatar are pretty leet in pvp
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.05 02:08:00 - [10] not for noobs ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.08.05 02:46:00 - [11] Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/08/2006 02:53:58 People are suggesting Caldari because they have the best PvE ships. You want to be effective in PvP? Then the skill set is just as intensive as the other races. Most Caldari ships don't stand a chance in a 1v1 versus a comparable ship of another race without very high skills. Exceptions being the Raven (because of ECM and choice of damage) and to some extent the Crow. Caldari are without question a brilliant PvP race but only truly effective if you've got 1 or more friends along with you.
ROF''''''''''''''''''''L Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.05 03:08:00 - [12] i used kestrels when i was a noob. the incursus, rifter, and punisher are also good ships. the punisher(amarr) is a tough frigate to kill, it can survive PVP sometimes when the other races die. basically all the races are good once you have skills for them. Will draw crazy ship for ISK. click here
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.08.05 05:19:00 - [13] Minmatar are leet until you get to battleships.Then just go train gallante like everyone else. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.05 06:38:00 - [14] Gallente. Sure Merlin can tank decently, and Kestrel is able to pop an inty if you're setup very well, but the both lack DPS.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.05 06:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Foulis Edited by: Foulis on 05/08/2006 00:30:11 Caldari would be for noobs. Even Jenny admits that =D. I actually find Gallente a bit easier than Caldari. Caldari isnt an easy race. It is easy because non-Caldari are envious about Caldari and we are always target for anti-Caldari slurs. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Dust Angel True Core	Posted - 2006.08.05 06:50:00 - [16] Gallante noob ships the best. it has the most drone bay. _____________________________________ Stressed out with empire politics? Sansha's Nation helps clear your mind.
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.08.05 06:55:00 - [17] Originally by: ChokingVictim sounds like minmatar are pretty leet in pvp Minmatar can be fun to fly in pvp but it takes lots of skill(not RL skill I mean skillpoints). Just as an example, take the Typhoon. It has a 50/50 split between launchers and turrets(bonuses are also split between these), a large drone bay(5 heavy drones, 5 medium) and nice amount of low slots(armor tank goes there). That means you would have to specialize not just in turrets or just in launchers but in both of these and drones(which others shouldn't forget either though). Then you got other ships, such as the Cyclone which is a shield tanker(shield tank bonus on ship). So there you have shield and armor tanking featured in 2 ships so far as well as drones, missiles and projectiles. - "I wish CONCORD would scream "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition" when they turn up to blob you. " -_ Twilight Moon
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.08.05 06:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Foulis Edited by: Foulis on 05/08/2006 00:30:11 Caldari would be for noobs. Even Jenny admits that =D. I actually find Gallente a bit easier than Caldari. Caldari isnt an easy race. It is easy because non-Caldari are envious about Caldari and we are always target for anti-Caldari slurs. Grow some skin . Minmatar had to (or already had thick skin, meh ) - "I wish CONCORD would scream "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition" when they turn up to blob you. " -_ Twilight Moon
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.05 07:19:00 - [19] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/08/2006 07:23:33 Minmatar is great until you hit battleship level imo...until then you have speed advantages and can often use nos and ecm to win a fight you otherwise wouldnt have won. But on the battleship level, I think gallente is the best. Minmatar tries to fight by keeping range and slowly wearing down the other ship, but that doesnt really work with battleships because of 20 km warp disruptor range and only 10 km web range. There are some ships that are good for going in close though, like Rupture which has both rof/dmg bonuses. But minnies have speed penalties for the best tech 2 ammo, which gallente doesnt have, which makes a big difference. Its so much easier to get into range than to stay out of range in this game currently, so Im going to check out gallente for battleships. As for skillpoint-wise... you will be most effecient with missiles when you start the game. So I would say caldari. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
DrEiak Amarr IONSTAR Vox Imperium	Posted - 2006.08.05 07:22:00 - [20] Caldari got the easiest skill tree.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.05 07:24:00 - [21] Remember the rule of thumb on choosing the best advice on forums. Listen to your favourite whorums. You cant go wrong. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.05 07:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Remember the rule of thumb on choosing the best advice on forums. Listen to your favourite whorums. You cant go wrong. What do we know... we dont play the game, we play the forums. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.05 07:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Remember the rule of thumb on choosing the best advice on forums. Listen to your favourite whorums. You cant go wrong. What do we know... we dont play the game, we play the forums. Speak for yerself, arrrrrrrr ... ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Choking Victim	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:41:00 - [24] I started up As Minmatar, so rawr.
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:43:00 - [25] Caldari are best with low SP. Minmatar are very good, but require the highest SP to be effective. Gallente own the win button in RMR, with medium-high SP, they will be most effective in most roles. Amarr blow, except in recons and command ships, neither of which are very nubbish at all. Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Dust Angel Gallante noob ships the best. it has the most drone bay. QFT. The velator is so overpowered compared to the other nubships. It really is ridiculous Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:48:00 - [27] Originally by: HippoKing Caldari are best with low SP. Minmatar are very good, but require the highest SP to be effective. Gallente own the win button in RMR, with medium-high SP, they will be most effective in most roles. Amarr blow, except in recons and command ships, neither of which are very nubbish at all. umm, i agree that the amarr recons rock, but i think your forgetting the zealot tbh cause it rocks if u fit it right Join Dancers
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:49:00 - [28] caldari join col ! now
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:50:00 - [29] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter caldari big qft on that, even tho i dont fly them anymore Join Dancers
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Originally by: HippoKing Caldari are best with low SP. Minmatar are very good, but require the highest SP to be effective. Gallente own the win button in RMR, with medium-high SP, they will be most effective in most roles. Amarr blow, except in recons and command ships, neither of which are very nubbish at all. umm, i agree that the amarr recons rock, but i think your forgetting the zealot tbh cause it rocks if u fit it right comparative to the other HACs, it's nothing special. Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:09:00 - [31] Originally by: ChokingVictim what is boils down to is it doesnt really matter later on because you can use what ever ship you want, correct? correct. And whoever can be seen as best now, will most likely have been nerfed (or the competition boosted) 6 months down the line. Just fly what you enjoy. Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
ChokingVictim	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:12:00 - [32] cool...i will just stick with minmatar and fly whatever..do i have to go to anywhere special to start learning other racee ships? Cuz Im a little lost when it comes to that.
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:14:00 - [33] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Originally by: HippoKing Caldari are best with low SP. Minmatar are very good, but require the highest SP to be effective. Gallente own the win button in RMR, with medium-high SP, they will be most effective in most roles. Amarr blow, except in recons and command ships, neither of which are very nubbish at all. umm, i agree that the amarr recons rock, but i think your forgetting the zealot tbh cause it rocks if u fit it right comparative to the other HACs, it's nothing special. Only 3 hac's im worried about when using a zealot, and thats vaga, isthar and cerberus. Join Dancers
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:15:00 - [34] Originally by: ChokingVictim cool...i will just stick with minmatar and fly whatever..do i have to go to anywhere special to start learning other racee ships? Cuz Im a little lost when it comes to that. any of the school stations (which sell skillbooks), and buy the appropriate skillbooks (just like you buy minmatar ones). Easy as that. Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
HippoKing Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:16:00 - [35] Originally by: Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Originally by: HippoKing Caldari are best with low SP. Minmatar are very good, but require the highest SP to be effective. Gallente own the win button in RMR, with medium-high SP, they will be most effective in most roles. Amarr blow, except in recons and command ships, neither of which are very nubbish at all. umm, i agree that the amarr recons rock, but i think your forgetting the zealot tbh cause it rocks if u fit it right comparative to the other HACs, it's nothing special. Only 3 hac's im worried about when using a zealot, and thats vaga, isthar and cerberus. In other words, you are worried that each of the other races has a scarier HAC than you. That's the problem with the zealot IMO. It is a good ship, but for most things, I'd rather have a cerb, vaga or ishtar. Normal HippoKing service resumed; world no longer ending.
ChokingVictim	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:17:00 - [36] good deal, thanks for all the info..lol still not sure what race i want to start lol, I have a Minmatar and Amarr that are getting fairly trained. lol
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:18:00 - [37] I can beat the isthar tbh. but if the pilot has really good skills i will run(and btw, i fly ishtars as well) the vaga is to fast and have to good res against the zealot. and i wont even begin to explain why i fear a faction fitted cerberus Join Dancers
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:24:00 - [38] As a newb, you will likely be doing lots of PvE stuff, so I would say: Caldari, Gallente, Amarr, Minmatar in that order. That said, the difference until you get to Battleships isn't that much. Likely a Caldari player will be able to do (not all!) level 4s solo before any other character, though that is not necessarily something you want to aim for. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Choking Victim	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:49:00 - [39] I think Im just gonna tuff out Minmatar
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech	Posted - 2006.08.06 00:16:00 - [40] Aye, if you got the hours, then Minmatar is the best in the long run. it's a long road, but it's worth it. ___________________________ -Hud-FireTech-
Mr Peanut The New Empire R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.06 04:19:00 - [41] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: ChokingVictim what is boils down to is it doesnt really matter later on because you can use what ever ship you want, correct? correct. And whoever can be seen as best now, will most likely have been nerfed (or the competition boosted) 6 months down the line. Just fly what you enjoy. Yes, but switching to a different weapon/tank type will be difficult until you have a lot of SPs under your belt because you won't be able to use T2 (in certain cases).
Kael D'mende Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:06:00 - [42] I would say any race is good for a starting character, i tryed the kessie just for fun, and found a rifter doing a better job. I could be a n00b caldari pilot so your result may be different (but imo rifter is one of the best frigs ingame). Punisher (amarr) has some nice bonus to tanking, so that may be the route to take if u want the edge in the beginning. Minmatar aint l33t tbh, they just need a bucked load of sp to fly, which kinda makes the pilot l33t cuz of the huge amount of sp's. As been stated, up to BS minmatar are great imo, BS are iffy.. afaik domi is the only ship that can afk missions hehe Anyway, hope your on your way to becomming a great Minmatar Asset Yarr ;o) .:More Power To The Underdogs:. Regards. /Kael
Stephar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:06:00 - [43] I'd suggest Caldari for the first few months. Then you can shift to Minmatar training (will already have the shield/missle stuff out of the way), and get rich flying your Raven while watching your skillpoints tick. It sounds like you are Matari at heart, so starting with them isn't a bad proposition... but don't underestimate the power of ISK. ISK = implants (faster skillpoints), faction mods (can put off some tech 2 training), and disposable ships (PvP at your leisure). There is no sugar daddy like Daddy Raven.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:25:00 - [44] Amarr are quite nice. Minmatar if you are patient. Gallente if you like the prospect of drones and blasters. Caldari if you find yourself lacking in the creativity department. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Lienzo Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:42:00 - [45] Go with Caldari. -They have the best combat starting stats in the game. -You start out in the most populated regions with the biggest markets. -You have access to both missiles for npcing, and soon Rails for pvping, and the best EW platforms in the game. -You only lack drones. On the plus side, your ships damage profiles are not designed to be dependent upon them. -Your avatar will always be ugly, and you won't feel bad about letting him die. Seven Deadly Sins
Choking Victim	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:37:00 - [46] lots of good input here, I am going with minmatar. Ive already started flying a rifter,working on gettin all my skills so i can equip it better.Now i just need to find a good corp
Lucian Alucard Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:58:00 - [47] Well heres the run down of good pvp ships for a noob per race. Caldari Frigs: Merlin and Kestrel Minmatar Frigs: Breacher and Rifter Gallente Frigs: Incursus and Tristan Amar Frigs: Punisher Crusiers- Caldari: Caracal and Blackbird Amar: Arbitrator and Maller Minmatar: Stabber and Rupture Gallente: Vexor and Thorax From my personal experience the best way to go if your a noob is to train your sterotypical skill set for Gallente which focuses on Drones,Hybrids,Engineering and Mechanical skills primarily then to branch out and train you electronic warfare skills to a decent degree then finally go for Amar crusier skills. This way you can fly the Thorax and Arbitrator which are the two best ships of their type which is kinda odd to be honest since gallente are supposed to be the lords of drones,yet the arbitrator is superior to the vexor. This also helps in the long run since down the way your better prepaired to train for some of the best Recon crusiers in the game (Arazu,Pilgrim and Curse). So after your done with getting say Amar crusier 4 ((you can train it to 5 if you really want that last 10% to drone HP and Damage out of a Arbitrator)) you can go back to training your hybrid skills and working for a battleship to run missions with.

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