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Adoro Caldari Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:24:00 - [1] Ok, so I was reading some stuff about goonswarm and BoB. Just saw a movie which gave me the feeling goonswarm is gone. Correct me if im wrong... I also heard some stuff about whats going on, but I really dont know whats happening out there. On the forums there isnt really a story which tells all. What is going on with goonswarm and bob and who ever is involved? People keep talking about it... Someone can tell it in a few words...? Or redirect me to a topic which opens all doors. --------- I love escrow :)
Brain Day Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:27:00 - [2] Yeah i saw that vid, very strange, we will find out soon enough i guess..
Eschwen Gas Giant Industries	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Adoro Just saw a movie which gave me the feeling goonswarm is gone. Link please?
Viper ShizzIe Caldari R-U-OK	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:51:00 - [4] This?
Degaal Valen Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:06:00 - [5] All the goons have traded in their EVE accounts for FFXI accounts and are already rolling in the gil.
mergblue Smirk.	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:10:00 - [6] Goonswarm still exist in their own eyes. For the 0.0 community, they are history.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:12:00 - [7] BoB is very stupid alliance and very VERY childish. If BoB dosen't really like someone playing same game as they are, why can't they move? I really like GoonFleet and what Remedy is doing. I hope he can continue his work regardless stupid BoB. Wish you will survive Goonies Unnerf Amarr! "Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
Rose Kolodny Gallente Space Invaders	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:16:00 - [8] 0.0 community? Didn't know there is such a thing. -- Recruiting Video
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Kuolematon BoB is very stupid alliance and very VERY childish. If BoB dosen't really like someone playing same game as they are, why can't they move? I really like GoonFleet and what Remedy is doing. I hope he can continue his work regardless stupid BoB. Wish you will survive Goonies Your signature image says it all.
Viper ShizzIe Caldari R-U-OK	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Viper **zIe on 06/08/2006 01:29:37 Originally by: Kuolematon BoB is very stupid Originally by: Kuolematon stupid BoB. Originally by: Kuolematon and very VERY childish. Very childish for sure, hmmm, about as childish as calling someone stupid, or, I dunno posting with an alt? (If you're not an alt, don't blame me for not knowing; corp+alliance ticker arn't there)
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.08.06 02:14:00 - [11] thist video means... nothing since goons have a habit of contradicting eachother. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.08.06 02:50:00 - [12] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Kuolematon BoB is very stupid alliance and very VERY childish. If BoB dosen't really like someone playing same game as they are, why can't they move? I really like GoonFleet and what Remedy is doing. I hope he can continue his work regardless stupid BoB. Wish you will survive Goonies Your signature image says it all. Looking beyond his broken English and questionable choice of words hes still right.
mergblue Smirk.	Posted - 2006.08.06 03:23:00 - [13] And in the end, the only thing that matters is, who is left.
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.06 03:52:00 - [14] Originally by: mergblue And in the end, the only thing that matters is, who is left. Little point ruling an empty dead universe if you ask me. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.06 04:07:00 - [15] BoB is many things, but stupid is not one of them. Hate them or love them, but they definitely know what they are doing.
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:15:00 - [16] Hmm sad end for the Goon, an alliance I have respect deeply because they prove thaht noobs can kick the ass of veteran fleets! Goons have done a revolution in Eve by doing thath But...the superpowers like d2 and Bob dont appreciated the affront and destroy them with everything they have. A sad end but its the destiny of all alliance anyways... The Goons dream was dead but the peoples who understand it will never forget it anyways. The Big ones was happy now...but one day they suffer the same destiny like the great PA or the evil CA.... Bob/ASCN/D2 and the Coalition....your time shall come like all of the great before you! Why? Because all humans empire fall one day or other And hum...the bad news...you are humans like me and all players here oh well! Respect forever for the Goon! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaar! TCF, the first alliance in Eve online to win mysteriously all its battles by staying docking in NPC stations (;
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:24:00 - [17] The idea of the goons was actually a great one. Newbies going into 0.0 ther first day in the game, and actually competing with the big boys. And contary to all the spin thats going on, I doubt that anyone actually is specifically attacking goons because they are afraid of the evil noobs becoming as powerfull as the vets. I think we all know the reasons, though some will never admit it, why everyone and thier brother don't really like goon swarm (and no its not the sig) But its perhaps best if we don't argue about it, since it only turns it into a 16 page spam thread if we do. But if its the end, and it might very well be, since all I have seen in the last week is an 'every goon for himself' situation, and no real organization. Or at least from the out side looking in. I say best of luck to the pilots who want to play eve, and not somethingawfull in space. And approch your next goal with a little more tact and pose and see where that ends up.
Willis Drummond Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:25:00 - [18] Edited by: Willis Drummond on 06/08/2006 05:24:53 "And I would've liked to have known you, but I was just a kid. Your candle burned out long before. Your legend ever did." Goodnight, sweet goons, RIP. I can't believe you guys all unsubscribed.
Jingu Himiko	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:51:00 - [19] I would just like to say that Goonswarm isn't disbanding so quit your crying.
Viper ShizzIe Caldari R-U-OK	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:01:00 - [20] Edited by: Viper **zIe on 06/08/2006 06:05:02
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:02:00 - [21] at those that think GS is done.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:04:00 - [22] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Kuolematon BoB is very stupid alliance and very VERY childish. If BoB dosen't really like someone playing same game as they are, why can't they move? I really like GoonFleet and what Remedy is doing. I hope he can continue his work regardless stupid BoB. Wish you will survive Goonies Your signature image says it all. Looking beyond his broken English and questionable choice of words hes still right. No he aint and neither are u , for the simple reason that stupid ppl do not achieve what BOB has achieved.Stupid ppl are the ones who stick is silly corps and alliances wondering how the hell do we suck that much and we cant pull our ** togeather to achieve something bigger. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:04:00 - [23] Edited by: arkarsk on 06/08/2006 06:04:03 Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Jingu Himiko I would just like to say that Goonswarm isn't disbanding so quit your crying. I would just like to say, uh... post with your main? Viper, whatever you do, dont look at his corp history, you might find the opposite! But ofcourse, that might make you look silly here :)
Viper ShizzIe Caldari R-U-OK	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:06:00 - [24] Edited by: Viper **zIe on 06/08/2006 06:06:18 Originally by: arkarsk Edited by: arkarsk on 06/08/2006 06:04:03 Viper, whatever you do, dont look at his corp history, you might find the opposite! But ofcourse, that might make you look silly here :) Heh, can't get ingame to check, Edited ^^
Ather Ialeas Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:07:00 - [25] Assuming the OP is assuming correctly and GoonSwarm is somewhat finished (at least for now) I believe this just shows why "the silent majority" of people really are against BoB: They are zealots, priors of their own supremacy. Also just like RA I heavily doubt BoB will never get totally beaten even if the entire EVE universe would turn on them but then again they have already lost the game in the only way that matters, in other people's eyes and minds. BoB, go ahead. Take all the regions. You can do it and it won't destroy this community any more than your actions already have done so far. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Nidhoggur How could I possibly be wrong, using the figures directly from Eve?
Willis Drummond Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Lorth The idea of the goons was actually a great one. Newbies going into 0.0 ther first day in the game, and actually competing with the big boys. And contary to all the spin thats going on, I doubt that anyone actually is specifically attacking goons because they are afraid of the evil noobs becoming as powerfull as the vets. I think we all know the reasons, though some will never admit it, why everyone and thier brother don't really like goon swarm (and no its not the sig) But its perhaps best if we don't argue about it, since it only turns it into a 16 page spam thread if we do. But if its the end, and it might very well be, since all I have seen in the last week is an 'every goon for himself' situation, and no real organization. Or at least from the out side looking in. I say best of luck to the pilots who want to play eve, and not somethingawfull in space. And approch your next goal with a little more tact and pose and see where that ends up. post with your main
Parapolizei Tactical Militia	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:54:00 - [27] It was a wonderful dream that the goons had. Newbies experiencing 0.0 from day one and showed everybody that they could step up to the big boys without a problem in their t1 frigates. You will be remembered o/
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Assuming the OP is assuming correctly and GoonSwarm is somewhat finished (at least for now) I believe this just shows why "the silent majority" of people really are against BoB: They are zealots, priors of their own supremacy. Also just like RA I heavily doubt BoB will never get totally beaten even if the entire EVE universe would turn on them but then again they have already lost the game in the only way that matters, in other people's eyes and minds. BoB, go ahead. Take all the regions. You can do it and it won't destroy this community any more than your actions already have done so far. They only take regions if someone has done all the dirty work for them already. Querious was coming in after 2 sides had beaten each other down, and goonswarm had just been fighting D2 quite ferociously. Not saying BoB isn't strong cause they are, but really haven't seen them in a straight up fight for quite awhile. In rust we trust!!!
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:13:00 - [29] Its either a 1. "only kidding" response so BoB start to crow about it so they can try and make BoB look stpid on the forms 2. 2k or how many quit, temp leaving sending harrasment pations saying "Waaahh BoB harrassed us into quiting the game". 3. A subset of goons leaving the game. 4. A temp dissolving of GS to let things calm down before starting again. But then I don't have a high opinion of the goons and could easily be wrong... 1 would be sneaky, 2 would be very lame and probably make things worse for them (and probably be completly useless), 3 would perhaps be a shame (depends on who goes) and 4 would be thier best bet. But then again I am pretty cynical ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:25:00 - [30] I'm not surprised BoB hasn't really gone out for a full engagement taking a region from a strongly capable force. Cause pos warfare atm does seem rather lame and i see why one would want to avoid it if possible. Cause the goonswarm/D2 fight was just a meat grinder in XZH. But i don't think BoB really needs to thump their chest so hard atm cause you guys can't honestly say you've come up against an even opponent for awhile. But really i dunno if you can find an even opponent since most alliances have the habit of napping any entity within 60 jumps. In rust we trust!!!
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:52:00 - [31] Originally by: nahtoh 2. 2k or how many quit, temp leaving sending harrasment pations saying "Waaahh BoB harrassed us into quiting the game". That would be hilarious. CCP: "Hmm. 2000 GS accounts-worth of subscription money, or 400(ish) BoB accounts-worth. Tricky decision." -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 06/08/2006 14:20:57 I hope the Goons haven't gone. They brought something new and interesting to EvE. Then BoB decided to steamroller them, and managed to get all sanctimonious about it as a little bonus. It'll be a sad day if BoB's avowed aim of removing them from the game entirely is realised. As for the movie, I get a rather mixed message from it. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If their future mirrors their recent past, what actually happens will be completely obscured by smack and pointless argument on all sides. Edit: I can't type, dammit.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:31:00 - [33] If the guys in goonswarm like the game they'll stay, if they don't adios... The great thing about eve is that for the most part another player can hold you accountable for your actions. Goony leadership made some very big mistakes, ****ed off the wrong people and got owned it happens and you deal with it.
M PIquet StateCorp	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:51:00 - [34] Edited by: M PIquet on 06/08/2006 14:52:28 Originally by: mergblue Edited by: mergblue on 05/08/2006 22:31:16 Goonswarm still exist in their own eyes. To the 0.0 community, they are history. I hope not. Goons have been a breath of fresh air to the EVE community. They've certainly rallied the forum warriors. EDIT: where did my post go? Ah, there it is.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:19:00 - [35] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Your signature image says it all. Thank you darling, thank you. Why is BoB stupid? As someone already said .. ruling empty space is kinda boring, won't you say that? Having noone around to push and torture - what kind of kingdom is that? Unnerf Amarr! "Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:46:00 - [36] Edited by: DeadProphet on 06/08/2006 15:49:52 In a game called Nexus War, there was an SA faction. They were very strong, but a number of small factions banded together and destroyed their stronghold. so they dissolved the faction and quit the game. the 'waa things aren't going our way so we quit!!1' syndrome
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:57:00 - [37] If they left, then they left, how they came. They are a big community and I suppose it's not that everyone of them was really 'addicted' to the game. Swarm seems to be the right word. A few people started it on the SA forum and many followed their 'mates' and now it got troublesome and the swarm moves on except the people, who like EVE so much that they want to stay.
BuSHiDo ZiN Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:00:00 - [38] Originally by: DeadProphet Edited by: DeadProphet on 06/08/2006 15:49:52 In a game called Nexus War, there was an SA faction. They were very strong, but a number of small factions banded together and destroyed their stronghold. so they dissolved the faction and quit the game. the 'waa things aren't going our way so we quit!!1' syndrome Actually, we quit because we got bored, like when lightning strikes as you're saving a game at just before the final boss on "random Jrpg #201" and rather than play through everything again you just decide it's time to move on. See also: Urban Dead and Warring Factions, except the people in Nexus war didn't cheat to my knowledge, whereas we had people cheating out the wazoo to destroy DARIS and "Whatever Tubesock had decided to name our empire that day". I dunno, I didn't play it that much, so they might have cheated in nexus war.
Betonela Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:38:00 - [39] dunno if GS is gone or not but i still see kills on GS killboard
Adoro Caldari Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:40:00 - [40] Right so if im correct, GS made it possible for noobs to live in 0.0 and fight wars etc. But BoB shot the (...) out of them, alot of whining and smack talking occured. And then we got to the point GS are leaving the game or what?
Scrofalitic One Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Adoro Right so if im correct, GS made it possible for noobs to live in 0.0 and fight wars etc. But BoB shot the (...) out of them, alot of whining and smack talking occured. And then we got to the point GS are leaving the game or what? Well, you're not correct on most of the points in your post. Goons did indeed make it possible for new players to jump straight into 0.0, and indeed to fight wars. However BoB were initially (and really for the entire existense of goon swarm up until a couple of weeks ago) if not supportive then mildly amused at their antics. The way the invaded Cloud ring and forced D2 into a POS war to root them out again gave many a chuckle to our enemies :) Howver the smack talking and trash talking and sheer stupidity and crassness of a very vocal minority of the Goon Swarm players eventually started to impact on more people than just the ones in local with them, and their complete disregard for the "Eve community" managed to irritate even more. The Goons were com[pletely unwilling to rein in, discipline or in any way control their members. And as they put it, why should they? Well the answer it wouldappear is that if you don't then eventually enoughpeople get annoyed that you lose all supprt you may have gained, and then you start agining enemies instead. Due to a series of events that really do not need repeating again BoB went from an inulgent and amused bystander to an implacable enemy, this coupled with the Goons eviction from Cloud Ring, and the wholesale desrtion of all their allies apart from merc corps getting paid to fight, basically drove Goons out of 0.0 into empire. Personally I doubt very much that they have quit, or that wholesale cancelling of acounts has happened. Some probably have gone but I reckion most will be back sooner or later. Eve has a way of addicting a person :)
Adoro Caldari Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Scrofalitic One Originally by: Adoro Right so if im correct, GS made it possible for noobs to live in 0.0 and fight wars etc. But BoB shot the (...) out of them, alot of whining and smack talking occured. And then we got to the point GS are leaving the game or what? Well, you're not correct on most of the points in your post. Goons did indeed make it possible for new players to jump straight into 0.0, and indeed to fight wars. However BoB were initially (and really for the entire existense of goon swarm up until a couple of weeks ago) if not supportive then mildly amused at their antics. The way the invaded Cloud ring and forced D2 into a POS war to root them out again gave many a chuckle to our enemies :) Howver the smack talking and trash talking and sheer stupidity and crassness of a very vocal minority of the Goon Swarm players eventually started to impact on more people than just the ones in local with them, and their complete disregard for the "Eve community" managed to irritate even more. The Goons were com[pletely unwilling to rein in, discipline or in any way control their members. And as they put it, why should they? Well the answer it wouldappear is that if you don't then eventually enoughpeople get annoyed that you lose all supprt you may have gained, and then you start agining enemies instead. Due to a series of events that really do not need repeating again BoB went from an inulgent and amused bystander to an implacable enemy, this coupled with the Goons eviction from Cloud Ring, and the wholesale desrtion of all their allies apart from merc corps getting paid to fight, basically drove Goons out of 0.0 into empire. Personally I doubt very much that they have quit, or that wholesale cancelling of acounts has happened. Some probably have gone but I reckion most will be back sooner or later. Eve has a way of addicting a person :) Right thanks, that was the explenation I was looking for :)
Elassar	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:58:00 - [43] If the Goons are gone, how come Bob are still dying? http://killboard.goonfleet.com/archive/2006/08/06 I see many dead Bob: Pilgrim, 2 x Jaguars, Taranis, 3 x Eagles, Harpy, Deimos, Vengeance, Stiletto, Vagabond, Crow, 2 x Claws. Goons you have my support and respect.
Willis Drummond Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Elassar If the Goons are gone, how come Bob are still dying? http://killboard.goonfleet.com/archive/2006/08/06 I see many dead Bob: Pilgrim, 2 x Jaguars, Taranis, 3 x Eagles, Harpy, Deimos, Vengeance, Stiletto, Vagabond, Crow, 2 x Claws. Goons you have my support and respect. Only the kills in S-U count. Awesome Post# 821131
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Willis Drummond Only the kills in S-U count.
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:39:00 - [46] The idea of Goonfleet was a great one & one I hope someone else takes up if the Goons are indeed gone. I fear the combination of an ambitious leadership & some immature minors did it in for them though. Remedial's taking the Swarm into Cloud Ring, while amusing & impressive, could never have feesably achieved its conquest against D2 & thier Northern allies. Swarms of T1 ships can only achieve ao much. More importantly however, was the inability for a small number of Goons to keep their mouths shut. They would have lost eventually to D2 in Cloud Ring. But it was this smack from them that meant thier "safehaven" of Syndicate & S-U were full of waiting BOB camps. Thus an already disorganised retreat from XCH (or whatever that system is called) became a horiffic rout back to empire. I hope this isnt the end of the Goons. But if & when they return I hope they have learnt the lessons if these past weeks. Dont become too big for your boots & dont insult powerful ppl who live next door to you :-). _______________________________________________ The above comments & views do not reflect the opinions of Cosmic Odyssey or Chorus of Dawn; just those of an enlightened member
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: Elassar If the Goons are gone, how come Bob are still dying? http://killboard.goonfleet.com/archive/2006/08/06 I see many dead Bob: Pilgrim, 2 x Jaguars, Taranis, 3 x Eagles, Harpy, Deimos, Vengeance, Stiletto, Vagabond, Crow, 2 x Claws. Goons you have my support and respect. Only the kills in S-U count. so they are geting kills? good for them, but you forget that t2 stuff to us is like t1 frigs to goon
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:42:00 - [48] I hope the SA members that want to play "goons in space" (as they called it) have gone on to something else. I hope the SA members that want to play EVE will stay.
Willis Drummond Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Aloysius Knight so they are geting kills? good for them, but you forget that t2 stuff to us is like t1 frigs to goon is it hard to post when your massive manhood keeps getting in the way of the keyboard? Awesome Post# 552343
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 08:53:00 - [50] Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/08/2006 08:53:05 Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: Aloysius Knight so they are geting kills? good for them, but you forget that t2 stuff to us is like t1 frigs to goon is it hard to post when your massive manhood keeps getting in the way of the keyboard? Ok, you've had your fun now get back to hauling and mining. I'm sure you know lots about the war, the goons and BoB from a friend of a friend of a friend of your sister but move along now troll. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Willis Drummond Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:08:00 - [51] Originally by: DB Preacher Ok, you've had your fun now get back to hauling and mining. I'm sure you know lots about the war, the goons and BoB from a friend of a friend of a friend of your sister but move along now troll. dbp Why do I have to know anything about goon and BoB to see when people are being arrogant and pretentious? Also, post with your main. Awesome Post# 560707
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: Aloysius Knight so they are geting kills? good for them, but you forget that t2 stuff to us is like t1 frigs to goon is it hard to post when your massive manhood keeps getting in the way of the keyboard? well most of the time i just bash that keybord with it, wanna be my new keybord?
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 10:32:00 - [53] Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: DB Preacher Ok, you've had your fun now get back to hauling and mining. I'm sure you know lots about the war, the goons and BoB from a friend of a friend of a friend of your sister but move along now troll. dbp Why do I have to know anything about goon and BoB to see when people are being arrogant and pretentious? Also, post with your main. I didn't think the comment about the relative costs of tech1 vs tech2 was either arrogant nor pretentious. The truth of the matter is that I can buy 2 HACS for the price of one Battleship. That gives me a different perspective than those who have the situation reversed. It costs me less to lose a HAC than to lose a BS, and so I am more willing to fly them in to combat. Also, you can only lose what you fly, and I don't see many Goon HAC fleets tbh. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: DB Preacher Ok, you've had your fun now get back to hauling and mining. I'm sure you know lots about the war, the goons and BoB from a friend of a friend of a friend of your sister but move along now troll. dbp Why do I have to know anything about goon and BoB to see when people are being arrogant and pretentious? Also, post with your main. I didn't think the comment about the relative costs of tech1 vs tech2 was either arrogant nor pretentious. The truth of the matter is that I can buy 2 HACS for the price of one Battleship. That gives me a different perspective than those who have the situation reversed. It costs me less to lose a HAC than to lose a BS, and so I am more willing to fly them in to combat. Also, you can only lose what you fly, and I don't see many Goon HAC fleets tbh. Actually Avon, according to your statistics you've only flown a HAC into combat 4 times, you much prefer T2 BCs, BSs and AFs. It could be me reading the numbers wrong, perhaps you could ask DB Preacher to help me interpret the statistics? CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Sir Juri Caldari Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:30:00 - [55] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Avon Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: DB Preacher Ok, you've had your fun now get back to hauling and mining. I'm sure you know lots about the war, the goons and BoB from a friend of a friend of a friend of your sister but move along now troll. dbp Why do I have to know anything about goon and BoB to see when people are being arrogant and pretentious? Also, post with your main. I didn't think the comment about the relative costs of tech1 vs tech2 was either arrogant nor pretentious. The truth of the matter is that I can buy 2 HACS for the price of one Battleship. That gives me a different perspective than those who have the situation reversed. It costs me less to lose a HAC than to lose a BS, and so I am more willing to fly them in to combat. Also, you can only lose what you fly, and I don't see many Goon HAC fleets tbh. Actually Avon, according to your statistics you've only flown a HAC into combat 4 times, you much prefer T2 BCs, BSs and AFs. It could be me reading the numbers wrong, perhaps you could ask DB Preacher to help me interpret the statistics? CAPTAIN THUNK whats your point? sorry couldnt help reply to something this stupid. damn need to make a new sig...
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:36:00 - [56] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 07/08/2006 14:38:09 When he said he can buy 2 hacs for the price of 1 battleship - I looked up his stats just out of curiosity to see how many he'd got through. He's only ever used a deimos 4 times and a Battleship 34 times - so if these stats are true why is he saying he's more willing to fly his Deimos into combat than his Megathron when he clearly doesn't. (I do believe him on the price though, he probably just sells his HACs) Maybe he meant Elite BC - that'd make more sense (think he gets confused and has trouble expressing himself sometimes) CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Sir Juri Caldari Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Captain Thunk When he said he can buy 2 hacs for the price of 1 battleship - I looked up his stats just out of curiosity to see how many he'd got through. He's only ever used a deimos 4 times and a Battleship 34 times - so if these stats are true why is he saying he's more willing to fly his Deimos into combat than his Megathron when he clearly doesn't. (I do believe him on the price though, he probably just sells his HACs) CAPTAIN THUNK that he died or killed, but the point was about ISK not about what he flies damn need to make a new sig...
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Avon It costs me less to lose a HAC than to lose a BS, and so I am more willing to fly them in to combat. Only going on what people say dude. In a text based medium it's impossible to tell when people are talking theoretically, as a result I just take people literally. CAPTAIN THUNK. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Sir Juri Caldari Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:42:00 - [59] Edited by: Sir Juri on 07/08/2006 14:44:37 Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Avon It costs me less to lose a HAC than to lose a BS, and so I am more willing to fly them in to combat. Only going on what people say dude. In a text based medium it's impossible to tell when people are talking theoretically, as a result I just take people literally. CAPTAIN THUNK. he says it costs me less, now perhaps he "wants" to buy a BS instead when he can afford one tech2 fitted and all and tech2 BC's. Thats how I read it. edit; So the point is about ISK comparing BoB and Goons. damn need to make a new sig...
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:58:00 - [60] Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/08/2006 15:01:09 Originally by: Captain Thunk perhaps you could ask DB Preacher to help me interpret the statistics? Love to. captain thunk's bob kills: 0 captain thunk's losses to bob: 0 captain thunk talking crap on the forums and becoming bob's newest fanboi: priceless. Congratulations, the RKK computer has APPROVED your fanboi status. Please join the rest of this elite crowd of people with no pvp ability, no stamina and no clue when you recieve your welcome pack and free "I HATE BOB" badge. Your "I HATE BOB BUT AM TOO SCARED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT" T-shirt is in the post. Enjoy, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:09:00 - [61] You may think I talk crap DBP (read: you don't like it) but unlike some of your pilots at least I'm aware of what ship I'm in If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Sir Juri Caldari Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:13:00 - [62] Originally by: Captain Thunk You may think I talk crap DBP (read: you don't like it) but unlike some of your pilots at least I'm aware of what ship I'm in im sorry but you are stupid, I think you need to reread what he said again and "think" this time. damn need to make a new sig...
Lord Spidey Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:18:00 - [63] ISK aside is there still a 40 day wait list for in alliance vagas?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:18:00 - [64] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/08/2006 15:01:09 Originally by: Captain Thunk perhaps you could ask DB Preacher to help me interpret the statistics? Love to. captain thunk's bob kills: 0 captain thunk's losses to bob: 0 captain thunk talking crap on the forums and becoming bob's newest fanboi: priceless. Congratulations, the RKK computer has APPROVED your fanboi status. Please join the rest of this elite crowd of people with no pvp ability, no stamina and no clue when you recieve your welcome pack and free "I HATE BOB" badge. Your "I HATE BOB BUT AM TOO SCARED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT" T-shirt is in the post. Enjoy, dbp Priceless. DBP for the win to be honest. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTS Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:20:00 - [65] Yep, I've reread the post and I'm clear now. Avon is more willing to fly HACs than any other ship into combat - but wait! - he defies his gut instincts and preferences and hops into a battleship instead - even though he could buy 2 HACs for that 1 battleship, this is his way of making combat more interesting and expensive for himself - it's all about the Eve Risk Vs Reward you see? Glad we've clarified this guys, man I feel dumb about that. Consider this ol' newb sorted and back onto the path of the straight and true CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:21:00 - [66] Edited by: Captain Thunk on 07/08/2006 15:24:10 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/08/2006 15:01:09 Originally by: Captain Thunk perhaps you could ask DB Preacher to help me interpret the statistics? Love to. captain thunk's bob kills: 0 captain thunk's losses to bob: 0 captain thunk talking crap on the forums and becoming bob's newest fanboi: priceless. Congratulations, the RKK computer has APPROVED your fanboi status. Please join the rest of this elite crowd of people with no pvp ability, no stamina and no clue when you recieve your welcome pack and free "I HATE BOB" badge. Your "I HATE BOB BUT AM TOO SCARED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT" T-shirt is in the post. Enjoy, dbp Priceless. DBP for the win to be honest. Is he talking about the whole universe or just S-U? Man this high brow alliance business is tough cookie material. CAPTAIN THUNK Edit: quote thing clunked out on me and bellowed me out of my own post If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Sir Juri Caldari Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:21:00 - [67] nvm your too far gone to be helped... damn need to make a new sig...
Sir Juri Caldari Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:22:00 - [68] Edited by: Sir Juri on 07/08/2006 15:23:37 you quote yourself? perhaps you forgot to switch to your main? damn need to make a new sig...

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:25:00 - [69] Post with your main. If you were posting with your main, go to Forum Settings on the left hand side and enable corp (and alliance?) ticker so we don't mistake you for an alt eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| c.a.o.d forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:28:00 - [70] Originally by: Captain Thunk Yep, I've reread the post and I'm clear now. Avon is more willing to fly HACs than any other ship into combat - but wait! - he defies his gut instincts and preferences and hops into a battleship instead - even though he could buy 2 HACs for that 1 battleship, this is his way of making combat more interesting and expensive for himself - it's all about the Eve Risk Vs Reward you see? Glad we've clarified this guys, man I feel dumb about that. Consider this ol' newb sorted and back onto the path of the straight and true CAPTAIN THUNK I'm quite sure Avon has more than 1 combat character in BoB, so looking at just that characters stats means nothing. In the same way just because this char can't fly Mega's doesn't mean I wouldn't pwn you from 200 km in one Max
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:33:00 - [71] That's a fair and well delivered point I didn't think of there Max. Being a n00b and writhing like a slug in my own crapness and blatent inability I don't think of such things as "alts" CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Viper ShizzIe Caldari R-U-OK	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:43:00 - [72] Originally by: DB Preacher Congratulations, the RKK computer has APPROVED your fanboi status. BoB fanboi club 4tw Even I want some of the fanBOIÖ apparel. (Heard the socks are nice this year)
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:46:00 - [73] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Avon Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: DB Preacher Ok, you've had your fun now get back to hauling and mining. I'm sure you know lots about the war, the goons and BoB from a friend of a friend of a friend of your sister but move along now troll. dbp Why do I have to know anything about goon and BoB to see when people are being arrogant and pretentious? Also, post with your main. I didn't think the comment about the relative costs of tech1 vs tech2 was either arrogant nor pretentious. The truth of the matter is that I can buy 2 HACS for the price of one Battleship. That gives me a different perspective than those who have the situation reversed. It costs me less to lose a HAC than to lose a BS, and so I am more willing to fly them in to combat. Also, you can only lose what you fly, and I don't see many Goon HAC fleets tbh. Actually Avon, according to your statistics you've only flown a HAC into combat 4 times, you much prefer T2 BCs, BSs and AFs. It could be me reading the numbers wrong, perhaps you could ask DB Preacher to help me interpret the statistics? CAPTAIN THUNK Hey, I said I was more willing to fly them, not that I was actually any good in them! What I was actually saying is that I am more willing to fly HACs than those who pay more than a BS for them, rather than I am more willing to fly a HAC than a BS - you just misinterpreted my rather plain English. Personally, I like frigates better, although I have to confess to a bit of an Eos fetish right now .. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jakie Caldari Fly By Night	Posted - 2006.08.07 22:10:00 - [74] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Avon Originally by: Willis Drummond Originally by: DB Preacher Ok, you've had your fun now get back to hauling and mining. I'm sure you know lots about the war, the goons and BoB from a friend of a friend of a friend of your sister but move along now troll. dbp Why do I have to know anything about goon and BoB to see when people are being arrogant and pretentious? Also, post with your main. I didn't think the comment about the relative costs of tech1 vs tech2 was either arrogant nor pretentious. The truth of the matter is that I can buy 2 HACS for the price of one Battleship. That gives me a different perspective than those who have the situation reversed. It costs me less to lose a HAC than to lose a BS, and so I am more willing to fly them in to combat. Also, you can only lose what you fly, and I don't see many Goon HAC fleets tbh. Actually Avon, according to your statistics you've only flown a HAC into combat 4 times, you much prefer T2 BCs, BSs and AFs. It could be me reading the numbers wrong, perhaps you could ask DB Preacher to help me interpret the statistics? CAPTAIN THUNK Hey, I said I was more willing to fly them, not that I was actually any good in them! What I was actually saying is that I am more willing to fly HACs than those who pay more than a BS for them, rather than I am more willing to fly a HAC than a BS - you just misinterpreted my rather plain English. Personally, I like frigates better, although I have to confess to a bit of an Eos fetish right now .. You know, all you guys who jumped all over Thunk just made yourselves look like complete *****s. Amazing how Avon here can read the message and see it is really non threatening, and respond in a civil and even humorous way. Where as the rest of you got your panties all twisted over a simple question. And you wonder why people like to jump on the "all the big alliences are rude jerks" bandwagon. Maybe if you guys took a moment to "THINK" about your replies you could word them in such a way as to not come across as total **s. Yes, being nice on the internet takes effort. Being a jerk doesn't. Please put in the effort... Cleaning "roids" of nasty deposits throughout the galaxy. Oh, and I mine asteroids too....
Admiral Feelgood Grammaton Industries	Posted - 2006.08.07 22:47:00 - [75] So has anyone besides me actually talked to a GS member about all of them quiting? Because maybe somebody should tell them they are.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 00:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Avon on 08/08/2006 00:11:08 Originally by: Jakie Maybe if you guys took a moment to "THINK" about your replies you could word them in such a way as to not come across as total ****s. Yes, being nice on the internet takes effort. Being a jerk doesn't. Please put in the effort... To be fair, Thunk does kinda set himself up for replies like that .. it is what he does, he is a troll. Also, some of the replies before mine contained their own little nuggets of truth, but I'll maintain the mystery as to what they might have been. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.08 00:21:00 - [77] Pretty offensive to go round calling me a troll just because I don't always say things you agree with mate. Actually it's ok, I'm not really offended Feel free to try and associate my name with any negative imagery you choose. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.08 01:24:00 - [78] So did all the goonies unsubscribe as alluded to in this thread?
Hamatitio Caldari Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.08 01:55:00 - [79] This thread has been derailed... And I contributed absolutely nothing to it \o/ --- Originally by: Wrangler ...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.08.08 07:09:00 - [80] Originally by: DB Preacher Congratulations, the RKK computer has APPROVED your fanboi status. I'm intrested to sing up for this nifty little group. I know Avon will back me up because he still loves me. And yes, I still say that BoB will collapse pretty soon or drive most of EVE away. Unnerf Amarr! "Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."

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