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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.08.06 16:52:00 -
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Sometimes, when our corp sells items, it happens, that we get slightly more money than the price we had set in the sell order.
It usually goes like this: We set up a sell order for 50 pieces of item x at price y. Things start selling, we have price y in the journal and the corresponding broker fee...without having touched or modified the sell order, sometimes we receive price y+1000 or y+3000 or y+1750,99 etc. - corresponding broker fee (which is correctly calculated on the too high price). then a series of items gets sold again with the correct price y. The sell order shows the original price y all the time.
There seems to be no pattern to the whole thing.
Is there some game mechanics I miss, why certain people pay slightly more for an item? Or is that a bug?
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Ashis
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.06 16:57:00 -
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If someone else has a sell order for the same thing, at a higher price, and someone buys the stuff BUT buys more then the person is selling, then the market will fill the buy order using other sell orders that were put up at a lower price -- using the higher priced sell order.
Hope that's clear. __________
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.06 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Julia Reave Is there some game mechanics I miss, why certain people pay slightly more for an item? Or is that a bug?
1. They bid higher buy prices.
2. They dont know how market works and try to match their own selling prices which are higher than the competitors from same station. Competitors get to sell items and receive extra ISKs as bonus. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.08.06 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Julia Reave on 06/08/2006 18:04:12 Okay, that's clear now, thanks to both of you for the explanations.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.06 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Julia Reave Edited by: Julia Reave on 06/08/2006 18:16:20 Thanks to both of you for the explanations, I think I got most of it, just one thing: What is meant by "match their own selling prices"?
Jenny puts a Raven for sale at 100M ISKs. Julia puts a Raven for sale at 90M ISKs at the same station as Jenny. Jenny tries to buy own Raven and puts a buy order at 100M but Julia makes the sale. Julia sells Raven at 90M and gets 10M extra and Jenny's order is still on market at 100M.
HTH. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.06 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
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Acerus Malum
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.08.06 20:10:00 -
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It's a great way to punish stupidity, you know? For example a few weeks ago I needed to buy 3 150mm Scout autocannons. Exactly 3 were on market: two for around 400,000 ISK and another whose price was practically space piracy. But hey, I needed them all and I wasn't poor so I bought each of them individually... except I started at the bottom of the list (the most expensive one) and ended up paying over 5M for all three, which I realized when I checked my blinking wallet.
D'oh, as they say.
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.08.07 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Julia Reave Edited by: Julia Reave on 06/08/2006 18:16:20 Thanks to both of you for the explanations, I think I got most of it, just one thing: What is meant by "match their own selling prices"?
Jenny puts a Raven for sale at 100M ISKs. Julia puts a Raven for sale at 90M ISKs at the same station as Jenny. Jenny tries to buy own Raven and puts a buy order at 100M but Julia makes the sale. Julia sells Raven at 90M and gets 10M extra and Jenny's order is still on market at 100M.
HTH.
Okay, thank you, now I get it...it really was about trying to buy one's own item as I thought.
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Hailen
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Posted - 2006.08.07 10:27:00 -
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It's a bug or wrong setting in game mechanics. If I choose to buy a higher priced item, fine, don't allow me, but don't make me pay the same amount for the cheaper one. It is particulary annoying when you try to buy something where there are 20 sell orders in a station. This, combined with the bug that allows you to buy 10 mil shuttles even if there are 20 other sell orders for 8-9k, and we have a winner
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.07 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 07/08/2006 10:34:33
Originally by: Hailen It's a bug or wrong setting in game mechanics. If I choose to buy a higher priced item, fine, don't allow me, but don't make me pay the same amount for the cheaper one. It is particulary annoying when you try to buy something where there are 20 sell orders in a station. This, combined with the bug that allows you to buy 10 mil shuttles even if there are 20 other sell orders for 8-9k, and we have a winner
It isnt a bug. You have sell and buy orders. When you buy something, market is programmed to put your bid up and if your bid matches or greater than the sell order, it goes through. If it doesnt, it stays in buy order until someone places a sell order that matches your bid or lesser.
Simple market feature. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
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Matthew
Caldari BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.07 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hailen It's a bug or wrong setting in game mechanics. If I choose to buy a higher priced item, fine, don't allow me, but don't make me pay the same amount for the cheaper one.
It's not a bug, it's just that a lot of people don't understand what they are really doing when they select "buy this".
On the Eve market, you can never specify to buy a specific item from a specific order. All right-click->"buy this" really does is allow you to open a buy order window with the price and location pre-set to be the same as that order.
If you tell the market you want some items at price X, why shouldn't it just go out there and buy them at that price? The buyer is the one paying, and the buyer is the one that decides how much they will pay. If you decide to pay more than you have to, that's your decision. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines. |
Styc
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Posted - 2006.08.07 11:01:00 -
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i got screwed by that "feature". i tried to buy an overpriced ship off another char of mine as i didnt want to cancel the order. the other char was in a different region and there was more than one ship in teh sell order etc. ended up paying stupid price for a ship off of somebody else rather than myself which was a but annoying.
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Market Checks
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Posted - 2006.08.08 20:54:00 -
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Interesting, but I don't see how the game mechanics should allow for that. I understand how it works, but it sounds more like a glitch in the mechanics than an actual 'Auction'/bartering system.
So if you have two items at a station, an you try to buy-out the higher priced first, the lower one is bought out, but in that instance you SHOULD get your unused money back. I think CCP should fix it so that it works that way, otherwise its not a true bartering/auction feature becuase you don't get to specify "If item of lesser price is on market at designated location, Buy it"
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