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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.08.15 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 15/08/2006 03:02:16
Originally by: Dirt zeron
crist, all i said was that CYI's own words of accomplishment failed under fire.... im sure you killed some in return and whatever, but from the look of it, CYI did not succed in protecting the average sloppy gallente joe. End of story.
you shall hear nothing more from me.
best regards
Nope we did not fail. You may have missed the fact that they retracted and we did not surrender. So try to read before you post.
And BTW Tomahawk to come in Dodixie and try to pick easy kills against cruisers and destroyers (one catalyst you took down) handled by people that are not even 2 month old is your way of intimitading the Cyrene members? I was in Dodixie that day and saw you and your corp member (typhoon was yours) and you wanted me to go against you and fight? If you are looking for mazochists and idiots look elsewhere. In a war, battles are not only fighting.
And not to forget at the same time you were in Dodixie, the more experienced members of Cyrene where in your home system and were struggling to find someone to stand and fight. Why weren't you there? Was it that you did not want to struggle for a killmail? Or was it that you were bored of the distance you should have covered to protect your own corp members?
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Dark Avatar
Caldari Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.15 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Justicia Universi
If Mordu's Legion wanted a mutual RP War, then I am sure approaching members and discussing how to make this happen may have been possible.
We did. No response through in game mail though
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Dirt zeron
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Posted - 2006.08.15 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 15/08/2006 03:02:16
Originally by: Dirt zeron
crist, all i said was that CYI's own words of accomplishment failed under fire.... im sure you killed some in return and whatever, but from the look of it, CYI did not succed in protecting the average sloppy gallente joe. End of story.
you shall hear nothing more from me.
best regards
Nope we did not fail. You may have missed the fact that they retracted and we did not surrender. So try to read before you post.
Refreshing, an actual response, and only a small jab to the poster
Dear Mithrantir, might i suggest you take your own word of advice and read back a little. My attack was regarding one quote and one quote only, stated on CYI's public webpage.
"While there were complications shortly after the founding of The Cyrene Initiative it has become a solid force for protecting the average Federation pilot from the whims of the universe".
We may have diffrent perspectives on the term protection, and for all i know, it may be true that the remaining force is able to stand its ground, but it DID NOT succede in protecting the average Federation pilot from the whims of the universe
Best regards
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Tarsha Listur
Glamour Bunnies Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tarsha Listur on 15/08/2006 12:18:11 Edited by: Tarsha Listur on 15/08/2006 12:17:35 Exactly why a student of a caldari school is so opinionated about Gallentean affairs is quite interesting. Then to try and devalue what CYI have done my petty points.
*sighs* they have protected federation citizens, you may quibble on this if you wish child. But i just said they did, as a federation citizen i feel that gives me a little more wieght on the issue.
Also my i remind you that they beat the other two corps and only mordu remain, i am sure you will leap to thier defence in your unbaised way of course. Truth of the matter is CYI suceeded and won.
Kalahari Wayrest > Serps are like men though... they come in close and fast, 10 seconds of fun and they explode all over your face and you're left to clean up the mess |
Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I will point out Team Javelin accomplished themselves, they have earned some respect. Ixion how ever proved they were pretty much the lowest common denominator unlike in the last war, I was disappointed. The other corps, those that did not flee, were mostly inactive or absent and thus unremarkable. Including Red Eclipse Inc.
Justifications aside, you withdrew the wardec without a Cyrene surrender and that means you lost. Its pretty simple. It really doesn't matter what you personally achieved (or you say you did) if your corporation couldn't kill enough to justify your war costs and couldn't inconvenience the targets enough for them to negotiate a surrender that means your war goals were left unsatisfied and your campaign was a failure.
Must be gutting
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.08.15 13:22:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Karl Mattar
Originally by: Taira Reikon Capsule: 27 --- 1
I have always found the habit of shooting defenseless escape pods barbaric.
Is it really necessary to kill the crew after you have removed their ability to fight?
Strange, CAIN pilots did not hesitate to fire on the escape pod of Dr Ullia Hnolku.
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Romanov DeBeers
Gallente Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2006.08.15 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Malus
Now that this small group of rebels has been marginalized the mainstream Intaki populace can now put this episode behind them and realize their true potential as state citizens.
Are you certain that the "mainstream" want to be state citizens. IU may be agressive Amarr-supporting rebels but they do represent a faction that wants nothing to do with the state. There are other factions such as my group who wish to see a clearer line to define what is Intaki and what is Gallente and for the state to actually provide the safety to Placid that they do for Everyshore and other state regions.
I was disappointed when IU started a war against groups such as Red Eclypse who I have seen patrolling Placid far more regularly than I have seen IU do. But it is arrogance for Gallente factions to see this victory for TCI as being a reason for the Intaki people to accept their current situation and the lack of support that the Gallente security services provide in Placid.
Rommy
An Intaki citizen
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Eden Ramani
Gallente INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Romanov DeBeers IU may be agressive rebels but they do represent a faction that wants nothing to do with the state.
I assume that was a typo. We have many times announced our support of the State and how we want to follow in their footsteps of freedom like so many Intaki did during the Caldari's own war of independence. We even have strong ties with multiple caldari pod factions, though admittedly our relationship with other more moderate/liberal caldari alliance is at times strained.
Jasmine you are correct, the cost of war was not worth the lack of resistance Cyrene was putting up. I wouldnÆt consider their survival a victory, merely survival, but I can see your point.
If they had decided not to flee most of the time and only fight when they could target young pilots like myself (exactly why tomahawk went on his last day crusade, eye-for-an-eye and all that) then they would have represented a threat to the Intaki and the allies of the Intaki. Thus we would have maintained a war. Rest assured we will challenge them again if they prove capable of causing harm to the movement.
Cyrene after all are supporters of a corrupt government, the antithesis of your own freedom movement. I personally find Abel CitizensÆ insights very helpful for formulating my own fanaticism. Some day he and Phantomas should meet and discuss the Intaki movement. I can only imagine what powerful brain storming that would produce.
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Don Martinos
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Posted - 2006.08.15 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Justicia Universi Edited by: Justicia Universi on 07/08/2006 18:05:57 Commander Justicia Universi visits the injured troops on the Cyrene Initiative and notices the young faces staring back at her. Though they are worn, battered and weary their willingness to resist and the taste for revenge burns within their eyes. Those whom are injured are quick to recover and yearning to be reassigned for combat, and those who had friends and family injured or lost are eager to have their revenge. Justice will always prevail to those whom are righteous. They fight thru great adversity but are spirits are not broken and the the Cyrene Initiative will continue to resist.
Praise to our forces and for their noble sacrifice to uphold the Federation! Each fallen soldier shall be remembered as hereos in the unending struggle to uphold Freedom and Democracy.
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Shemar
Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eden Ramani If they had decided not to flee most of the time and only fight when they could target young pilots like myself
Comedy gold, from the people who made going after young pilots their signature. From boasting to be fighting 6 to 1 odds, to whining for being a war target.
Originally by: Eden Ramani a threat to the Intaki and the allies of the Intaki.
You are not Intaki in any way that counts, you are not an ally of the Intaki and in fact using the word 'Intaki' is an insult to the Intaki people. You are a whiny little traitor, hiding under Tomahawk's skirt most of the time and only coming out when it's safe.
Originally by: Eden Ramani the antithesis of your own freedom movement
What a joke. You are mindless bullies, looking for easy fights, complaining and turning tail whan actually shot back. Nothing more. ________________
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Dark Avatar
Caldari Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.15 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Eden Ramani If they had decided not to flee most of the time and only fight when they could target young pilots like myself
Comedy gold, from the people who made going after young pilots their signature. From boasting to be fighting 6 to 1 odds, to whining for being a war target.
Originally by: Eden Ramani a threat to the Intaki and the allies of the Intaki.
You are not Intaki in any way that counts, you are not an ally of the Intaki and in fact using the word 'Intaki' is an insult to the Intaki people. You are a whiny little traitor, hiding under Tomahawk's skirt most of the time and only coming out when it's safe.
Originally by: Eden Ramani the antithesis of your own freedom movement
What a joke. You are mindless bullies, looking for easy fights, complaining and turning tail whan actually shot back. Nothing more.
Shemar, Shemar, Shemar keep them comming buddy. You really are making this thread for 'interesting' reading afterall. Do you think many people care for your words when your only form of defence is not factual, but a play on words and flames?
One day Shemar, I really want to sit down and talk to you, properly. I would love an insight into the mind of a dilusional person such as yourself. Maybe a psych analysis to see if you actually get off on your own words .... and to think you are the butt of so many jokes on the galnet forums! Wow :D
Oh, you are a pathetic excuse for a gallente citizen. You are a pathetic excuse for a galnet warrior. You are a pathetic excuse for a man and yes, your existance is pathetic!
Not that I condone their work, but I hear Sansha's are seeking society rejects; something to do with higher brain functions
*sits back and waits for the flames to come in*
D.A
BTW - This will be my last response to you in this thread shemar
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Oica
Gallente Red Eclipse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.15 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Oica on 15/08/2006 19:54:28 Edited by: Oica on 15/08/2006 19:50:27 WOW HUGE break in the attackers stories...
FIRST, they said that the Placid HQed Red Eclipse were the ultimate target because of their "extreme loyalty to the federation."
NOW, they are saying that the sinq liason based alliance, CYI, was INFACT their target.
This is a huge problem. Are you a bully caught trying to beat someone half the size of you and when asked the same question you cant get the story quite the same every time?
Edit: Dark avatar is angry that he has nothing to do except blame other people for his overall uselessness and likes to act like everyone else around him he doesnt like has the traits he hates about himself
Edit2: I rarely to never lie, and theres no lies in my posts so far,unless its sarcasm, then its implied. There is no sarcasm in this post.
and btw... i never saw this "eden" character on the battlefield...EVER. ( i went on as many fleet ops i was online for as did most of redeclipse that was available to be online ex:not on vacation OOC)
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Dark Avatar
Caldari Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.15 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Avatar on 15/08/2006 19:59:30
Originally by: Jana Mordu
We got involved with Cyrene as the warriors of the federation stepped into the fray to aid an ailing and war stricken loyalist corporation. The corporation was offered to join the alliance and seek shelter under their guns. At this point our objectives changed.
*sighs* Read it Oica.
If I dont like myself as you state above then thats cool with me. I dont value your opinion afterall
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Oica
Gallente Red Eclipse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.15 20:05:00 -
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another big problem with this whole thing is...
We were looking for an alliance BEFORE this all happened. You simply sped up the process. soo much for sheltering "enemies" when we were already glooking into getting an alliance when you started deccing us.
AND WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHEN YOUR STORY DOESNT LINE UP IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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Shemar
Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Avatar Shemar, Shemar, Shemar keep them comming buddy. You really are making this thread for 'interesting' reading afterall. Do you think many people care for your words when your only form of defence is not factual, but a play on words and flames?
One day Shemar, I really want to sit down and talk to you, properly. I would love an insight into the mind of a dilusional person such as yourself. Maybe a psych analysis to see if you actually get off on your own words .... and to think you are the butt of so many jokes on the galnet forums! Wow :D
Oh, you are a pathetic excuse for a gallente citizen. You are a pathetic excuse for a galnet warrior. You are a pathetic excuse for a man and yes, your existance is pathetic!
Not that I condone their work, but I hear Sansha's are seeking society rejects; something to do with higher brain functions
*sits back and waits for the flames to come in*
D.A
BTW - This will be my last response to you in this thread shemar
How did you manage to speak for so long and say nothing? ________________
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Oica
Gallente Red Eclipse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.15 20:11:00 -
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geez Dark Avatar, if you want a REAL challenge (which i think you dont, you seem to feed on cheap kills) talk to a GM and start a war with the federation itsself.
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Jack Malus
Gallente Ingenii Federal Guard
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Posted - 2006.08.15 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Romanov DeBeers
Are you certain that the "mainstream" want to be state citizens. IU may be agressive Amarr-supporting rebels but they do represent a faction that wants nothing to do with the state. There are other factions such as my group who wish to see a clearer line to define what is Intaki and what is Gallente and for the state to actually provide the safety to Placid that they do for Everyshore and other state regions.
I was disappointed when IU started a war against groups such as Red Eclypse who I have seen patrolling Placid far more regularly than I have seen IU do. But it is arrogance for Gallente factions to see this victory for TCI as being a reason for the Intaki people to accept their current situation and the lack of support that the Gallente security services provide in Placid.
Rommy
An Intaki citizen
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Shemar
Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Malus I am confident that the majority of Intaki seek to solve their differences within the Federation and let their voices be heard in a democratic fashion.
These fringe rebel groups hinder this process.
I complete agree with that, however I do think the issue needs to be looked at in a serious and open manner (as opposed to fanatic pod pilots, obviously serving foreign interests, attempting to speak on behalf of the planetbound populations).
I think that after the elections, the new leadership of the Federation should make an effort to ascertain what the planetbound Intaki really want. Do they want to maintain their current semi-independance? Do they want to give some of this up, along with some heavier taxing, for an increased military presence, either by CONCORD or by the Federation Navy? Do they want to start on a path to independance?
Much as I think the last one is entirely unlikely, I think we need to find a way to let the planetbount Intaki be heard, instead of being silent pawns to be used by pod pilots as excuses for criminal activities. And no matter what the will of the Intaki people turns out to be, the Federation owes it to them to make an effort to assist, in any way possible.
Unfortunatly for the time being our politicians (and I do include all Federation politicians, including Intaki) seem to be more concerned about getting elected that solving any issues or providing any answers. Hopefully with the elections out of the way, the government will start to act. ________________
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.08.15 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dirt zeron
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 15/08/2006 03:02:16
Originally by: Dirt zeron
crist, all i said was that CYI's own words of accomplishment failed under fire.... im sure you killed some in return and whatever, but from the look of it, CYI did not succed in protecting the average sloppy gallente joe. End of story.
you shall hear nothing more from me.
best regards
Nope we did not fail. You may have missed the fact that they retracted and we did not surrender. So try to read before you post.
Refreshing, an actual response, and only a small jab to the poster
Dear Mithrantir, might i suggest you take your own word of advice and read back a little. My attack was regarding one quote and one quote only, stated on CYI's public webpage.
"While there were complications shortly after the founding of The Cyrene Initiative it has become a solid force for protecting the average Federation pilot from the whims of the universe".
We may have diffrent perspectives on the term protection, and for all i know, it may be true that the remaining force is able to stand its ground, but it DID NOT succede in protecting the average Federation pilot from the whims of the universe
Best regards
As a Caldari that you are, you have a constant look down upon others. The average Gallente pilot did survive and the choice that he/she did to achieve that is their own decision and choice.
Like it or not every Gallente pod pilot that participated in this conflict became wiser and is becoming wiser. And what you call average is way beyond what you mean as average Gallente pilot.
So keep your promise and stop posting untill you get a reality check in your pod and see that we are still evolving despite the efforts for the contrary.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.08.15 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Oica geez Dark Avatar, if you want a REAL challenge (which i think you dont, you seem to feed on cheap kills) talk to a GM and start a war with the federation itsself.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.15 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/08/2006 22:25:55
Originally by: Eden Ramani Jasmine you are correct, the cost of war was not worth the lack of resistance Cyrene was putting up. I wouldnÆt consider their survival a victory, merely survival, but I can see your point.
mmmm yes, it does make it tricky to decide exactly what one's goal actually is with war-declarations - but survival is not something to be dismissed so readily. Life and freedom after all is the only thing to be valued at the end of the day and the fact that the IU assault on CYI failed to bring the Gallente corporations under the sway of Amarr-sponsored militants is its own reward.
Quote: If they had decided not to flee most of the time and only fight when they could target young pilots like myself (exactly why tomahawk went on his last day crusade, eye-for-an-eye and all that) then they would have represented a threat to the Intaki and the allies of the Intaki. Thus we would have maintained a war. Rest assured we will challenge them again if they prove capable of causing harm to the movement.
Well, its possible they had no interest in causing a threat to the Intaki Union in the first place. Equally possible they consider the movement to be a pretty obvious front movement for imbedded Amarri axis political manouverings that its not in their interest to engage at this time. In any case debating the evidently successful war strategies with the eventual victors is hardly likely to end in closer understanding and constructive dialogue whatever the motives. As for Bliss and his rampages - heh, to be quite honest with you I consider the man a clown for backing down on the personal combat challenge from Shemar.
Quote: Cyrene after all are supporters of a corrupt government, the antithesis of your own freedom movement. I personally find Abel CitizensÆ insights very helpful for formulating my own fanaticism.
Simply not the case though. The Gallente Federation has a very progressive base of idealism that is inspiring yet to this day. The fact that JF generally abhors a group of senators that wish to use the Federation name to progress their own nationalist agenda is a detail to proceedings. The truth of the matter is that the Gallente Federation is light years ahead of the Amarri backed Intaki Union in understanding the nature of freedom and in time its hoped that the Galfred populous will eject the lunatic senators from the halls of power. If they do not then like us, many Gallente citizens will reject the imperialist delusions of centrist orators and simply discover commerical potential and personal liberty on the frontier.
Quote: ... Some day he and Phantomas should meet and discuss the Intaki movement. I can only imagine what powerful brain storming that would produce.
Phantomas is a puppet of Amarri interests. He is about as independent as a Slaver Hound of its master and represents precisely nothing of true Intaki independence interests. Why fight for an honourable separatist cause only to become another Ammatar domain?
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Tarsha Listur
Glamour Bunnies Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Avatar stuff
you do realize everything shemar just said is all truth?
Kalahari Wayrest > Serps are like men though... they come in close and fast, 10 seconds of fun and they explode all over your face and you're left to clean up the mess |
Justicia Universi
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:29:00 -
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All I have to say is the forces of Intaki Union were no match when faced against the soldiers of the Cyrene Alliance. When I see the Intaki Union, I see a herd of cattle huddling together for support. Scared, confused and ready to flee. Sure, there are a few bulls amongst them, but the bull cannot stand alone without his herd. However the bull does strut and makes loud noises to give himself courage when the herd is not far. However, when he strays too far, we the Lions, freely take his blood. We choose when to strike and we take freely and without impunity. They were prey and the Lions in the Cyrene Initaitive feasted well upon Intaki Union meat.
They bullied our cubs, but then the Hunters came home and suddenly our war with them was over....
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Femfatally
INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2006.08.16 03:40:00 -
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Do you actually believe the vomit you are spewing? What war were you in? You got owned again, and again, and again. We shut you down in Ravarin. We killed you 34 ships to 3 losses in one engagement. On another engagement we came at you 12 on 12 and lost 1 ship. At every engagement you lost.
You lost and lost and lost but you think you won? Your connection to reality is tenuous at best.
I personally lost 2 thorax, but got the killing blow on 12 ships, including a bruitix in stacmon on the last day of the war. I got the kill mails on more then 8 pods. Not one kill was on an industrial ships. The kills were on combat ships.
The last days of the war... I was in stacmon because CI was scattered to the wind. I grew board with looking for you only to see you smack talking in local from stations. Blather on all you want here. The fact is, you lost 1/3 of your members due to your poor leadership. You are trying to come on strong now but, now you are beaten and now beat your chest to feel better about yourselves.
You will draw some back to your banner I am sure, and just as assuredly we will be back: To kill your members till you go back to spaming local coms with your own delusional rhetoric.
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Oica
Gallente Red Eclipse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.16 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Oica on 16/08/2006 05:36:34 Subject:Femfatally 1)killmails can be fabricated 2)you have already stated that you respect cyrene 3)IU has been known to lie and use exageration 4)i personally never died in any engagement that i wasnt grouped for 5)thats only you
EDIT: WOW thats alot of people leaving IU
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Dark Avatar
Caldari Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.16 06:50:00 -
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Cyrene are confident of their abilities. Though our killboard, which post losses & kills paint a very different picture.
Once again, I ask you. Make this war mutual.
Why not take it in game I hear you ask? Well blatantly all diplomatic channels are failing! I have had not one response to requests and mails.
D.A
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Don Martinos
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Posted - 2006.08.16 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Don Martinos on 16/08/2006 09:48:13 Edited by: Don Martinos on 16/08/2006 09:47:49 The federation and it's liberals are striving for democracy. As a part of democracy they demand the freedom of speech (which they obviously used here on the forum).
Unfortunately the freedom of thought is seldom being used.
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Oica
Gallente Red Eclipse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.16 15:13:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
yet another random person comes and posts here without a reason.
IF you are in one of these groups you should probably show your corp and, if available, alliance name so we know who exactly you are.
This is the second time someone that hadnt been in the conversation at the beginning stuffed their head under our arms and yelled something.
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Dheen Heph
Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.08.16 15:30:00 -
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I think this thread has run its course. It has been reduced to chest beating on a personal level, even boasting about "final blows" which doesn't mean squat as it's a team effort and even a frigate can get the final blow on a Battleship when it's at 5% structure.
In the end, everyone who participated knows the truth and no matter what lies are told here doesn't change the facts. Talking yourself up like you're all big and bad will only come back to haunt you later.
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Dark Avatar
Caldari Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.16 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dheen Heph I think this thread has run its course. It has been reduced to chest beating on a personal level, even boasting about "final blows" which doesn't mean squat as it's a team effort and even a frigate can get the final blow on a Battleship when it's at 5% structure.
In the end, everyone who participated knows the truth and no matter what lies are told here doesn't change the facts. Talking yourself up like you're all big and bad will only come back to haunt you later.
Finally someone talks some sense
/signed
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