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Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1520	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:16:00 - [1] - Quote Now you are talking crazy talk, let them get it the hate out of their systems before they try it or actually . . .you know. . . think. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1521	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:57:00 - [2] - Quote If you don't like it you will not have to participate. Or you can just hunt the dojos and blow them up as it is unlikely they will be in hisec, so low or null (or wh) I don't know about the LAWS of Eve but I have an idea that the basic principles could be summarized best as We want Everything to be Buildable, Destroyable, Up for grabs I don't see how the Dojo conceptual prototype (because that is what it is right now) violates the above. No more than station trading does because the guy won't come out where I can kill him. Or those pesky hisec dudes who refuse to leave the umbrella of Concord. Do you apply the same logic and conlude that those things are wrong? IF dojos happen It will be buildable You can blow it up Contents and prizes will be up for grabs I like the idea . . . in case you cannot tell but I like something even MORE CCP is floating an idea past you without promises, without fanfair, without you all signing an NDA You wanted to be part of the conversation . . . stop having tantrums and converse. If you like it, say so, if you like it with conditionals, suggest them, If you don't like it say what is wrong without just saying sandbox and crossing your arms :colbert: It has no date of release because they are just trying it out to see if it can be done. Treat it accordingly and calm down. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1527	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:18:00 - [3] - Quote Marian Devers wrote: So... which CSM members ok-ed this? Speak up, no need to be afraid... me m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1527	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:41:00 - [4] - Quote Marian Devers wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: me m Steve Ronuken wrote: Most of us, actually. OKed in the form of "Here's a prototype for players to look at, to gauge the overall reaction" As you can see from the wide variety of responses to this thread, it's far from monolithic, one way or another. Two carebears. This is hilarous =) We definitely need a way to boot people from the CSM at any time, depending on their support of proposed features. This is one such case, where two CSM members have shown to have no understanding of EVE mechanics, purpose, and attraction. Actually we answered because we happened across the question. Out of curiosity WHICH of the CSM would you consider YOUR representative and how would you react if they also supported it? Also you did not read Steves comment carefully. OKed in the form of "Here's a prototype for players to look at, to gauge the overall reaction" A prototype is not something shipping in the next release, it is just a test for concept. Oh and as for 'boot from CSM' that mechanism exists. It is called an election. Next one is coming up in the New Year . . . remember to vote. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1530	Posted - 2014.09.27 05:16:00 - [5] - Quote Erutpar Ambient wrote: I do wonder though, does this have a spectator function? Maybe allow people to watch by placing them in cloaked pods or unfit noob ships. If only Eve was compatible with twitch. Then anybody could watch. oh, wait m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1535	Posted - 2014.09.27 18:01:00 - [6] - Quote See, I thought sisi WAS the special snowflake fight place, to try new things out. No risk of loss, no worries, just shoot. This dojo has a cost, the ships inside would be bought and paid for, all of that is at risk. The cost would have to be made up in other ways so players would still have to go out into the great big space and earn/find it. This is not an isolating mechanism but something that may convince people to play again. If it ever went live I would see 3rd party ladders and betting spring up. Bush leagues and sandlot games. Recreational softball does not hurt the Major leagues. A small dojo is not going to hurt Eve. I honestly am having difficulty seeing the issues the opponents of this prototype are worried about. That, in itself, worries me because usually I can see things from the other side. Risk? It is there Abuse of a safe spot? For 5 minutes then boom Will take all the PvP fun from our space? See next line Is just for carebears who want to be safe? Well then you are teaching them to take acceptable (to them) risks. It goes against the Basic Principles of Eve? Dad taught me never to argue religion with strangers. Can someone lay aside the rhtoric and explain to me exactly HOW this would break Eve if it ever came to pass? Can the rest of you calm down as this is a prototype . . . m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1537	Posted - 2014.09.27 18:28:00 - [7] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Please post the mechanic that is on tranq right now or at any point in the last 14 years that is both available to everyone and stops others from interacting with you while your are in space and in combat with another player. When certain ships were unprobeable (before being patched) they could duel safely in any safespot without fear of interuption. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1538	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:18:00 - [8] - Quote You asked for an example and I provided one. Your counter was that the example was patched. By that line of reasoning IF the Dojo was put in place and it was seen to be counter to the games purposes and play then it would be patched. Your faith in Eve and its dev team is appreciated. Please forward a new objection as you have asked and answered this one and I agree with you on the conclusions. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1540	Posted - 2014.09.28 16:13:00 - [9] - Quote baltec1 wrote: We have never in the last 14 years had any mechanic in place to would stop me from attacking people partaking in a 1v1. Because we haven't then we shouldn't is a very weak argument. Step back and look at that one before I reducto ad absurdum all over it. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1541	Posted - 2014.09.28 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote Please Turn wrote: Since, for whatever reasons - i.e. maybe Garmon was right being sad in regard with the folks here, some people have chosen to not post on Eve forums their opinion on the subject, I took the liberty of collecting some of the points made on external medias. Actually, the reason is very telling, in and of itself. The poster cannot post here because he/she only subs for tournaments. Since there are none on, right now, they do not have access to this forum. I wonder how many other players are out there who are silent right now because they are not playing but would be if new things were added to the game . . . ANY new things. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1541	Posted - 2014.09.28 20:05:00 - [11] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: I wonder how many other players are out there who are silent right now because they are not playing but would be if new things were added to the game . . . ANY new things. In the meantime, I wonder just how many more people have outright quit the game because CCP keeps putting cutesy side projects ahead of POS and sov mechanics, the two biggest, most blatant holes in the game right now. Fair enough. This was a side project (which devs are allowed to do) and not a main focus of the game. To think that CCP et al are ignoring null would be an error as they have already stated the roadmap and it is on it. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1543	Posted - 2014.09.28 20:08:00 - [12] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: i can't shake the bad feeling, though. can you consider something for me, mike? if this gets put on tq have a look at the data regarding where and how fights are happening, and have this implemented as a bit of a trial feature, like the new notifications that are coming up 1) prototype . . . 2) IF it ever comes to pass and I still have any say in things, yeah, I will try to get those numbers for you m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9

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