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Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:09:00 - [1] - Quote Hi! I'd like to run hi-sec and low-sec Anomalies and DED complexes in cruiser-class ship because of optimal access to these sites. After Kronos release I read the best vessels in this class are Gila and Stratios (excluding T2 and T3 cruisers because I cannot fly them). So which one I should choose taking into account DPS, tank, escalations into more dangerous sites and possible pure exploration activity?
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 85	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:22:00 - [2] - Quote You'll scan sites faster in a Stratios. that's the easy part to answer. The hard part is: Where are you running these sites? If in Amarr space I'd say the Stratios because it gets the optimal bonus to medium lasers, letting you snipe from great distances or brawl. If in any other space I'd say the Gila, selectable damage type between thermal and kinetic and OMG medium drones. I have both and love the Strat in Amarr space, do sites in all other space in the Gila.
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 68	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:28:00 - [3] - Quote They will both perform quite well. In low sec the covert cloak on the stratios will come in very handy for safer traveling and hiding should you need to warp to a safe and wait out stuff. You could fit a prototype on the gila, but you won't be able to warp cloaked. That said, they have very different play styles. The gila will be using some form of missiles, HAMs and rapid lights being common, with a pair of medium drones. The stratios on the other hand will be using heavies and sentries with optional laser turrets. They can both be quite tanky, but in theory the gila can use its entire mid slots for tank (and prop mod) leaving the lows free for damage mods where the stratios would have to split the lows for damage mods and tank.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:32:00 - [4] - Quote That is a good point! I will fly mainly in non-Amarr space. Yet I have two questions: 1. Can both ships do 5/10 and 6/10 DEDs in low-sec? 2. CovOps Cloaking Device - is this real Stratios advantage over Gila in low-sec travels? Yes, I read about Gila's crazy 500% damage bonus to medium drones. Now "Augmented" Hammerheads wreak havoc on the battlefield! In contrary Stratios use Sentry drones to apply damage. BTW, Is it true faction drones were buffed recently and now are on pair with T2 drones?
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 85	Posted - 2014.09.25 15:16:00 - [5] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: That is a good point! I will fly mainly in non-Amarr space. Yet I have two questions: 1. Can both ships do 5/10 and 6/10 DEDs in low-sec? 2. CovOps Cloaking Device - is this real Stratios advantage over Gila in low-sec travels? Yes, I read about Gila's crazy 500% damage bonus to medium drones. Now "Augmented" Hammerheads wreak havoc on the battlefield! In contrary Stratios use Sentry drones to apply damage. BTW, Is it true faction drones were buffed recently and now are on par with T2 drones? 1. I'm pretty sure the strat can do 5/10 in lowsec, I haven't tried but I got one done in highsec. Never attempted a 6/10 in either, but I wouldn't be worried about a Gila being able to do them. 2. Yes and no. If you're REALLY good with the cloak+mwd trick you'll be fine, if not, a covops helps a bunch. Yeah faction drones are pretty close to T2, it's either they have more tank but less pew or more pew but less tank. Can't remember which. I'm too cheap to fly faction most of the time.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 15:42:00 - [6] - Quote Well, it looks like a hard choice! I compiled two example fits using EFT against Gurista rats in hi-sec space: [Gila, DED] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Field Thermic Dissipation Field Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Tracking Speed Script Large Shield Extender Large Shield Extender 10MN Afterburner Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hammerhead II x2 'Augmented' Hammerhead x2 [Stratios, DED] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Armor Kinetic Hardener Armor Thermic Hardener Medium Armor Repairer Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Tracking Speed Script 10MN Afterburner Focused Medium Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Hobgoblin II x5 Federation Navy Garde x4 Federation Navy Ogre x4 Salvage Drone I x5 Are they any good? Do I move in right direction?
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 68	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:18:00 - [7] - Quote You probably won't need an omni directional on the gila with medium drones, replacing it with a drone navigation computer will allow your drones to get on target faster. In low sec you will probably want a mwd instead of an ab. Edit: faction missiles are expensive, if you can't fit T2 probably switch to regular missiles.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:33:00 - [8] - Quote OK, Omnidirectional Tracking Link replaced by Drone Navigation Computer in my fit! OTL is for sentries if I am correct. Of course I set up faction missiles to increase damage but in fact lion's share of Gila's damage is done by medium drones so missile damage is negligible anyway. MWD installation is possible on both ships with my skills. Aside of those changes everything looks good in above fits?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2184	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:55:00 - [9] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: 1. Can both ships do 5/10 and 6/10 DEDs in low-sec? Both can do 5/10s but it's a bit touch and go in the Stratios. The Stratios can manage BR and Gurista 6/10s and possibly Angel 6/10s. The Gila can do all those plus Sansha properly fit. Neither really has much of a shot at the Serpentis 6/10. Edit: that Strat fit looks thin for 5/10 final rooms. It might work (it's been a looooooong time since I ran the Guristas version) but it would be dicey. Overload the tank and pray I guess. If nothing else I'd sacrifice a DDA for a suitcase when entering the last room to buy you more time if things turn south.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:01:00 - [10] - Quote Well, to barely match Gila damage output it is necessary to install three DDA on Stratios compromising its tank. I'd rather choose Gila but it 's also a good thing to have CovOps cloak during low-sec adventures...

Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:02:00 - [11] - Quote Double post.
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 68	Posted - 2014.09.25 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote The omni directional does affect mobile drones, but it's impact is not nearly as large as on sentries. Medium drones won't have to hard of a time hitting most targets. As drones are your main source of damage you can choose whatever missiles you want, but heavies and heavy assaults will not apply their damage to frigates as well as lights/rapid lights. The long reload is annoying on rapid lights but unless you run into fitting issues they are preferable to regular lights.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:24:00 - [13] - Quote Thanks for advice. Fortunately I can fit Meta-4 RLMLs without any problems according to EFT.
Barton Breau University of Caille Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:24:00 - [14] - Quote Key thing is not to treat the fits like they are set in stone, try the sites, there is a limited amount of their types, and make changes accordingly. Depending on the approach (sentries?, blitzing?) you may get away with less tank for example, or remove armor rigs due to speed :) Also i read something about some mwd restrictions being lifted with the last updates, dunno if it affects guristas...
Barton Breau University of Caille Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:31:00 - [15] - Quote Aerie Evingod wrote: The omni directional does affect mobile drones, but it's impact is not nearly as large as on sentries. Medium drones won't have to hard of a time hitting most targets. Depends one ones patience and site, meds can clear 20+ frigs faster than lights, but only if they hit consistently enough, same with geckos since they have med tracking, the optimal thing being 2 omnis.
Pham Tzu Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.29 03:24:00 - [16] - Quote Here's a more tanky Stratios fit I find useful: [Stratios, Plate, Drones only] Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactive Armor Hardener Medium Armor Repairer II Large Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting range Script Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Small Tractor Beam II (Deactivated) Drone Link Augmentator II Drone Link Augmentator II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Vespa II x5 Warden II x4 Gecko x2 Salvage Drone I x5 Substitute other modules for lower skills. At nearly full core skills this is still very tight for CPU - I need an implant to make it work. The Fed Navy DDA's are more for their CPU efficiency than damage. I compromised on an omni-tank instead of faction specific because I didn't want to give up a low slot to use two hardeners. The cap battery makes the cap much more forgiving. I'm amazed this boat can fit a big plate. It has just enough extra grid and CPU compared to other cruisers. I couldn't do this practically on an Ishtar without using a smaller plate. Pyfa says: EHP - 35k Armor rep - not spectacular, but lasts more than 8 minutes from full cap with the MWD turned off. Targeting range - 110km Drone Range - 108km DPS for Wardens - about 425 DPS for Geckos - about 560 Top speed - 1348 m/s The plate and rigging steps on the max velocity. Not as powerful or as fast as a similar fit on an Ishtar, but cloaking and faster scan probing will spoil you. Tractor and Probe launcher can't both be online at the same time. Tractor is great for when you want to dive into a fur ball and grab your loot and get out. No flying past and turning around. It's also gives you an edge if a ninja shows up, though your reduced speed and dps'ing from range will make that a challenge for you.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 3255	Posted - 2014.09.29 11:12:00 - [17] - Quote Pham Tzu wrote: Here's a more tanky Stratios fit I find useful: I'm amazed this boat can fit a big plate. It has just enough extra grid and CPU compared to other cruisers. I couldn't do this practically on an Ishtar without using a smaller plate. I am using Stratios with big plate fitted for some time, basically because it can also run the covert facilities they added in oddysey. It can survive the blast and the npcs. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.30 10:34:00 - [18] - Quote Pham Tzu wrote: Here's a more tanky Stratios fit I find useful: Thanks for in depth description of your preferable fit but EFT says I cannot fit Stratios like that due to powergrid limitations. Anyway Stratios as "Sentry Sniper" vel "mini-Domi" is a cool idea so I wait for more accessible options in this area. PS. Gecko drone - what is it?
Tarpedo Incursionista 1383	Posted - 2014.09.30 22:04:00 - [19] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: PS. Gecko drone - what is it? It's "collectible" expensive (30M+) and powerful drone. From my experience they are way too fragile to use them on distances beyond range of remote repair modules.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.30 22:44:00 - [20] - Quote I see. So Geckos are rather more suitable for drone BS than Stratios. Anyway I have already done my first DED 3/10 plex! Only 3.3 mil ISK earned because of lack of valuable Overseer's drop but it was very fun to blow up more than a hundred frigs!

Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.01 14:29:00 - [21] - Quote Hi! Assuming I would use Stratios only against Sansha rats what drone combination I should choose? Now I guess such a combo should be enough: - light: 5x Hobgoblin II - medium: 5x Hammerhead II - heavy: 4x Ogre or 4x Praetor (both faction types) or maybe 2x Gecko would be better? - sentry: 4x faction Curator Moreover I simulated in EFT what damage output I can get in Stratios taking into account maximum drone skills level I am ready to train (mostly level IV). Let's limit scope of this analysis to sentry drones only. I assumed maximum targeting and firing range with sentries would be around 65 km. At this distance I would be able to cause 376 dps raw EM damage using faction Curators. Is this enough to burn though Sansha's DED 4/10?
Joshua Milton Blahyi Therapists Inc 14	Posted - 2014.10.01 15:08:00 - [22] - Quote Stratios can handle the 4/10 without problems. 5/10 is a different story though, the last room has too much DPS and the webbing towers are a pain. You will be fine with faction Curators and acolytes, although I honestly don't even need the lights for the 4/10. Warp in, burn range, drop sentries, profit.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.01 21:56:00 - [23] - Quote Burn range using MWD? BTW, what type of laser to use on Stratios?
Joshua Milton Blahyi Therapists Inc 17	Posted - 2014.10.01 23:17:00 - [24] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: Burn range using MWD? BTW, what type of laser to use on Stratios? Yes, burn to range with the MWD, should only take one or two cycles. Once you have 38+ km from the frigs, drop sentries, set to orbit as you turn the MWD off, and start popping. If you find yourself taking too much damage, scoop the drones, burn out for another cycle, drop them again. This also has the added benefit of getting you far enough off gates that anyone trying to come at you will either eat a face full of sentry DPS or enjoy watching you warp out.
Lexxya Ormand The Addams Family Crypt 0	Posted - 2014.10.04 13:31:00 - [25] - Quote I fly both. The Gila can fit a much higher passive tank with more dps, however applying damage thru the Stratios's can go much quicker, even with "less" dps. I prefer the Stratios, as someone said, Cov ops spoils you. I generally try to stay in lowsec and just roam where escalations send me. 5/10 and 6/10's aren't really a problem, as long as you know what to expect. The fit I've been using is: [Stratios, Combat Explorer] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Reactive Armor Hardener Centum C-type Medium Armor Repairer Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I Salvager I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x4 Curator II x4 Gecko x1 Hammerhead II x4 Infiltrator II x4 Hobgoblin II x5 Acolyte II x4 Salvage Drone I x5 I prefer having a plate as its much more forgiving for mistakes, and lets you stay longer to whittle down the amount of incoming dps. 1 Gecko and 4 medium drones is more dps than 2 Geckos or 4 heavies, plus if one of the drones gets aggro and you have to pull it off the field, you're not losing 1/2 your dps (unless its the Gecko, then almost). 6/10's, jumping into several web towers can be brutal. I generally carry a mobile depot and refit specific hardeners to break the room. Once the web towers and sentry III's are down you can speed tank all the battleships with little problems. I'll generally drop my mobile depot once I've got the web towers down and working through the sentry/missile towers. When its just battleships you can swap to 3 DDA's, a plate and a repper, and still be fine. Another note, cloaking after taking the warp gate works about 70% of the time for me, landing over 2k from the little triangle thingy (its a technical term). You can then slowboat out of range for stationary boss towers, etc. The target painter is for WH sites (along with the salvager for BS wrecks). It keeps aggro off of your drones. Also effective on frigs when you don't want to swap to smaller drones.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:13:00 - [26] - Quote Lexxya Ormand wrote: I fly both. I must admit now I also fly both due to difficulty of choosing one of them.
Amber Kurvora 193	Posted - 2014.10.05 14:28:00 - [27] - Quote It's really, really situational and sometimes down to luck. The Stratios is obviously better at scanning and superior running anything doing EM damage as far as tank goes, but a passive shield tanking Gila is a monster for dps. The two medium drones will do 700dps-ish when your drone skills are perfect, and up to 800dps if you bother putting missiles in the top slot. I personally don't, and leave them for salvaging and tractor beams for the t2 salvage. Those two drones are also a lot easier to manage when it comes to take damage with the insane tank they have. On most Serpentis sites I run with it, I can pop them out and let them go to work on their own accord. They tackle the Serpentis Phi operator with ease. The Stratios on the other hand has the trick of being more versatile in what it can put out - sentry drones means that it can strike at range, heavies mean it can tackle something like the Phi with ease, just at a slower pace, and the lights travel faster. I've been beaten in my Gila by a Stratios to the faction rat because of that. The St ratios is also the master of roaming if you carry sets of drones in your hold. You can do any 2/10 - 4/10 in any section of space you find it in. It also superior in keeping safe when you're travelling through Low. Generally I keep the Gila for running High sites, and the Stratios or Astero is broken out for roaming low. 5/10s can be tackled by a pair of Stratios, though to be honest you might as well save up and seed low with a couple of 5/10 cracking tengu and deal with it that way.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.05 21:23:00 - [28] - Quote Yes. My long term goal for running plexes is Tengu but, you know, T3's skilling time for isn't short so in the meantime Gila and Stratios will be my best friends. Anyway now I am looking for the best pirate BS to run L4 missions!


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