Translation:

It's going to suck for us when destructible player stations are introduced. Better get some NPC stations where we need them while we still have time.

Mr Epeen

No you don't. If you actually wanted them nerfed, you wouldn't have so many ready to go.

If you actually wanted to give up space, you would...give up systems...A game mechanic change isn't needed for that.

Do you ever blame the guy who decided to take the train this morning instead of driving through the heavy traffic? When you take the stairs and he takes the elevator to the top floor, do you believe he is at fault for not making needless sacrifices?How can you even begin to blame someone for using tools at their disposal when the whole point of the game is to gain an advantage over your opponents? Do you ever see any of the top football players tying weights to themselves whenever they play a team that isnt as good or prepared? Or when someone shows up early to a movie premier and is one of the first to get in, but you have to wait hours in the back of the line? How can you even begin to blame someone for using tools at their disposal when the whole point of the game is to gain an advantage over your opponents?

Why should anyone willingly give anyone else an advantage in a contest? Honor? Pity? Shame? Do you really want the game to be a charade of people living in space only because the biggest powers are holding back and allowing them too?

They don't HAVE to protect a dozen regions now. What would change with the proposal?

90*24 = 2.16 billion isk/day for one person

What I impled was "They'll likely STILL maintain their rental empire for all the same reasons you just listed above."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the logic behind these changes seems to be: Condense existing coalitions into handful of systems---> provide room for new sov entities to exist.

There's nothing wrong with this, it will probably work. However, new entities have entered sov within the last 6 months: just look at Hero. And then Hero, to their dissatisfaction, was put on farm by N3PL. Being put on farm is an integral part of the stagnation that we all oppose.

My question is this: How will the new system be any different in this regard? Will N3PL stop farming hero for whatever reason? And if that situation doesn't change, how will the end result of the new sov system be any different then the current stagnation?

The short version: nullsec alliances will condense to constellations and rat there in capitals in complete safety as no pirate gang could break their spider-tank. The nearest competent enemy would be 5 regions away, separated by huge buffer zone of terribads who can be farmed for laughs. There won't be a single war or even major battle in Nullsec.

See but that isn't true. A casual look at dotlan will show that people have left MoA for the larger coalitions. One of the larger corps - Epsilon Lyr, for example, recently left for nulli secunda. Likewise, I suspect many in the cfc wont be happy if all of the content they get for the next couple years is what remains of MoA.

A fair and valid point. But when N3PL crams all their dudes and renters into a handful of systems, you'll have the exact same problem: TiDi practically guarantees a 23 hour fight in these densely populated home systems.

So you have the same problem: You're bored shitless because 90% of nullsec refuses to shoot each other.

If you think null is deserted now, wait until there are npc stations full of archon fleets and jump clones distributed neatly across all of null. It will make bridging and cynos feel like waiting for a postcard from your great aunt Mammy Thule. (without the mustache)

It's pretty basic reasoning. The distribution of NPC stations in null is pretty limited. So it's not as practical to do the clone jump thing. Put 1 or 3 in every region and suddenly it is practical. The more you spread the NPC stations across null the more practical clone jumping becomes.

No pattern or precedence?? It would be a new system, so of course there is no pattern or precedence. If you're arguing that it's not likely because they aren't doing it now then you're just not getting it.

The relatively recent introduction of the advanced infomorph psychology skill is what the cynic in me kind of wonders about. I mean really, who needs 10 jump clones. On the other hand, with NPC stations scattered across null this suddenly becomes quite useful.

It's chicken and egg really. Now that there is an option for 10 clones, of course I'd want NPC stations all over null. Combine that with the deep pockets that can put multiple fleets in said NPC stations and the whole proposed system becomes rather obviously abuse ready. I mean heck, a non relevant guy like me w/ little null experience and no stake in null politics can figure this out.... I'd think just about anyone could.

So out of all the stuff being shovelled in this thread you draw the line at the in game map being misleading??

It is my understanding that the eve map is a visual representation of live data displayed across the eve map. Please explain how this is misleading? Teach me.

EDIT while you're spouting facts, could you divulge your base line data for most bots are in high sec? I'd love to sink my teeth into the data base you pulled that from.

3. isk making opportunities outside of null sec need to be better than inside null sec. Otherwise, entities that have been thrown out of null sec will never be able to build up a strong enough army to compete in null sec again. (Just like now)

If anything, I'd reduce the income in 0.0 , it's a lot safer to carebear in null. than in lowsec, for instance.

fry cooks aren't told what's in the big mac sauce so some people could be excused for thinking the above isn't a big deal