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Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:48:00 -
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ABSOLUTELY
NPC Null Sec has been worthless for months. |

Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:49:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:OP try to understand the tactic. When small pvp roaming gangs shotgun systems the first place out dictor goes is to the station. He then drops a bubble on the undock which catches any idiot ratter who warps back to the station because he saw hostiles in local thus being caught in our bubble. Just because its a pain in the ass and you proablly were caught and died in one doesn't mean the mechanic is broken. Please understand Null Sec is not safe.
Are you serious? This is not the tactic being talked about..... at all.
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Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:54:00 -
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Logon Trap wrote:hobojamming is working as intended
i hear the new wow expansion has pandas, maybe you should gb2wow if you cant handle npc null
Such a good argument.
EVE needs hobojamming and abusing the **** out of mechanics or its WOW. |

Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:56:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Veng3ance wrote:RomeStar wrote:OP try to understand the tactic. When small pvp roaming gangs shotgun systems the first place out dictor goes is to the station. He then drops a bubble on the undock which catches any idiot ratter who warps back to the station because he saw hostiles in local thus being caught in our bubble. Just because its a pain in the ass and you proablly were caught and died in one doesn't mean the mechanic is broken. Please understand Null Sec is not safe. Are you serious? This is not the tactic being talked about..... at all. It's not, but it is another perfectly valid tactic that would be disrupted by the OP's proposal.
HOW?
I am in a dictor. I warp to station and bubble the undock. I get agression. And this prevents ratters from landing in my bubble somehow?
HOLY **** LEARN TO THINK
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Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 14:00:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote: The current 'dictor bubble aggression mechanics are not a weakness in the game, they were a deliberate decision by CCP to make it easier for 'dictors to drop bubbles and GTFO via stargate. I rather think that giving 'dictors Interdiction Nullification as the OP suggested would be completely broken and exploited in ways that make hobojamming look like Noobships Online.
Also, dropping a bubble and leaving system (via stargate or station) is not quite like leaving drones behind and having them shoot something. You have no control over a 'dictor bubble once you drop it, and it impacts all comers the same way, hostile or no. Drones are something you control, and have a finite control range measured in kilometers, not AU and not light-years.
Can large groups use Hobojamming to their advantage? Absolutely.
Does this make Hobojamming inherently broken? Nope.
Why not? Because small groups can use Hobojamming as well.
Man you just have no idea what you are talking about.
Small groups CAN NOT use hobojamming. Can you dock inside a CFC or N3 Station?
Oh you cant? Then you can't hobojam.
The tactic is biased against groups trying to make it and grow in NPC Null sec. |

Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 15:06:00 -
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Austrene Kanenald wrote: What the hell does docking in sov null or being a small group have to do with npc null stations? 1 person could hobo jam, if they wanted to.
Here let me break it down for you. This has happened to Black Legion multiple times just so you know.
Black Legion is staged in K3J in Venal lets say.
Pandemic Legion is hobojamming our station with a dictor.
Black Legion CAN NOT go hobojam Pandemic Legion because they live in a sov station.
Here is another example.
Black Legion is staged in X-7
Goonswarm is hobojamming the station.
Black Legion CAN NOT go hobojam Goonswarm because they live in a sov station.
Notice how the small group can not do the hobojamming on equal terms with the larger alliances?
Now to make matters even worse (And this has happened before).
We are in K3J, we are being hobojammed. BUT we can use bombers to clear the undock for example meaning the situation is not horribly bad.
However, there is a Sniping Loki who keeps warping around station and popping bombers.
He is very very hard to catch, and also the dictor is invulnerable (from hobojamming tactics).
What do you do about this situation?
TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE.
Same situation. You are now in X-7.
The dock radius on the station is so large you can't cloak your bombers when preparing to bomb the undock.
The sniper is now here.
The situation is ****** and two people are locking down your entire cap fleet.
What do you do?
This is the kind of bullshit that smaller groups are dealing with in NPC null. |

Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 15:36:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Veng3ance wrote:... This is the kind of bullshit that smaller groups are dealing with in NPC null. 1. If Goonswarm or PL were staging out of an NPC nullsec station like you were, you could just as easily hobojam them into that station. Likewise, you can just as easily hobojam non-sov-holders into stations in NPC null. This is what I mean when I say that there is no hobojamming bias in NPC nullsec. 2. These changes won't change the fact that Goonswarm and PL can hobojam you into an NPC nullsec station, it'll just make it slightly harder for them. 3. These changes would, potentially, let you hobojam Goonswarm and PL into stations that they own, but most likely they'll just use tactics like the sniping Loki to pop your 'dictors. 4. Your problem isn't with hobojamming, it's with the fact that that you can't hobojam Alliances into stations that they own. 5. If you want to be immune to hobojamming, hold yer own sov. Admittedly, this is an exceedingly difficult proposition at the moment given the current state of sov mechanics. Ultimately, I feel like this is the real issue. Hobojamming is just a symptom of larger sov issues.
1. Duh 2. I feel like you don't know what hobojamming is. 3. I feel like you don't know what hobojamming is. 4. No my problem is with hobojamming 5. I feel like my points almost dawned on you but you missed it.
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Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:03:00 -
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Just a thought on a simple solution.
Allowing Smartbombs next to Null Stations would also get rid of this issue.
Why is this not allowed anyways? |

Veng3ance
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 20:18:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Veng3ance wrote:Just a thought on a simple solution.
Allowing Smartbombs next to Null Stations would also get rid of this issue.
Why is this not allowed anyways? What hobojamming is for capital fleets, this would be for pods, frigates, etc. Only worse, because even in a station with a huge dock radius, you'd have no chance to re-dock.
My only argument against that is smartbombing is going to give you blatant agression. So if anything the dude will be a sitting duck and be killed off pretty easily.
I just don't think its nearly the broken mechanic hobojamming is. |
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