I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.

Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that.

Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that.

Then you'll have to accept that as a solo frig pilot there are things that will be beyond your abilities to accomplish.

This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.

Yep

Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible.

Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind...

Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here.

Frig/Dessy lowsec gate immunity because not doing it, is irresponsible.

Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible.

So, make lowsec like nullsec.

No. Just go to nullsec.

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This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.

Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind...

Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here.

Seraph,

Not sure why you feel that frigates and destroyers need immunity from gate guns in low sec, when there are no gate guns in nullsec already. People are succesfully solo/small-ganging with frigates and destroyers in nullsec (moreso NPC than sov-null, however). You also have the option of doing that in FW space, where you can find relatively good fights against same-size hulls.

So imagine being in lowsec in a frig/destroyer gang, immune to gate guns... why fly any other ship at all then, if you want nullsec mechanics without being in nullsec?

I don't feel this is a useful change in any way. But I've been victim to gatecamping frigate gangs who use logi as well and survive quite handily. As for solo, nullsec or FW space is your best bet!

Seraph,

Not sure why you feel that frigates and destroyers need immunity from gate guns in low sec, when there are no gate guns in nullsec already. People are succesfully solo/small-ganging with frigates and destroyers in nullsec (moreso NPC than sov-null, however). You also have the option of doing that in FW space, where you can find relatively good fights against same-size hulls.

So imagine being in lowsec in a frig/destroyer gang, immune to gate guns... why fly any other ship at all then, if you want nullsec mechanics without being in nullsec?

I don't feel this is a useful change in any way. But I've been victim to gatecamping frigate gangs who use logi as well and survive quite handily. As for solo, nullsec or FW space is your best bet!

I know what one can do in 0.0. It's not even really about "camping" it's more about flying through lowsec with a frig, seeing a Moa or Zealot fly through and not being able to engage it. The gate gun mechanics encourage me to up my ship, up the number of people I camp with and gives zero chance for the lone ship jumping through to win any fight. At least of frigs had gate gun immunity, the defending party could have a chance to actually win.

The only people who'd truly benefit from this are the ones who park 50 ships on a gate and pad their killboards.

No.

This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.

I don't even really care for gate camping. I roam through ls in a frig and I run across bigger ships that refuse to engage and only travel gate to gate. And I sit there and ask myself why is this allowed? This isn't content.

If you are a solo frig, the bigger ship will still not engage and your your aggression timer to reach a gate and jump while you are locked. You gain absolutely nothing if you are a solo frig as your bigger target also has the buffer to tank you until he reach the gate.

I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.

Warp to top belt and type in local "top belt"

Which is akin to "go sit on your thumb and pretend you're getting laid." Doesn't really work.

Which is akin to "go sit on your thumb and pretend you're getting laid." Doesn't really work.

0.0 that way ->

this is exactly what the OP wants.

Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind...

Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here.

So, if it's only 1 frig on the gate camping, the guns won't shoot because blind eye.

But as soon as there are 2 frigs on the gate (either from the beginning or when it warps in from anywhere in the system or jumps in from another system), the guns start shooting both frigs immediately. And if there are more than 1 frigate, like 50 frigates, gate camping, the guns also shoot from the beginning of an engagement against non-pirates, non-suspects, non-criminals.

Do I understand you correctly?

No. Simply out, guns won't shoot at frigs no matter what. That way we'll see more of a variation of people in lowsec rather than just building ships around the ability to tank gate guns.

Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that.

Again the issue isn't catching someone or even camping the gate. It's about making it possible for frigs to engage around a gate in lowsec. Not sure what the indy hauler carebear brigade is whining about that makes that such an issue.

Again the issue isn't catching someone or even camping the gate. It's about making it possible for frigs to engage around a gate in lowsec. Not sure what the indy hauler carebear brigade is whining about that makes that such an issue.

Then you should rephrase your first post and any posts you wrote and remove any "solo" from it, because what you want is risk free, easy going mass gate camping in frigates and destroyers. And if you don't do it, other people will exploit it in this way. Does EVE need that? In a way I described it maybe; in a way you want it, definitely not.

All I see is someone crying because they can't do something. Clearly too lazy to hunt with D-Scan and actually find targets. This spews of "EVE is too hard for me, make it easier and round down to lowest common denominator."

Short answer: HTFU

You can't separate the legit soloroam from the camp the issue. Assuming legit, you find a target near gate and want to pop it solo.

Problem is this removes many downsides to camping that same gate. In numbers problems gets worse.

CCP can't balance on the one player (in this case a frigate). Its an MMO, the assumption some players will team up is a very safe one. What is good for the one usually ends up being really damn good for the many.

Example:

You get this, you can now solo kills on a gate no guns. Yay you.


and a small crew with say a keres (eyeing lr tackle option here), kitsune (jam targets so in theory my dps frigs can go real minimal tank as ideally they will not be shot at much) and a few gank spec af's/pirates also gets this. Or cheaper t1 options. that never die to gate guns.

Quite an upgrade from the dice roll cruiser camping is where you hope what is ganked over the night breaks even (for starters, you want profit ideally) on gate guns losses with their wreck drops.


Why not sure you mentioned well people spam ahacs so whats the difference.

I found sick sliver linings when I died in low sec to camps. My travel fits tended to be whatever crap meta not worth selling to say ship was fit in some way. As most of my low sec deaths have been to camps I was pretty much screwed the second I jumped in lol.

If gate guns popped 2 of my gankers for say 30 mil lost in ships/fittings....enjoy the bounty of my wreck drops worth maybe 2 mil. One of them might be able to replace a t2 gun or 2 with that isk...yay them.

This option off the table with untouchable frigs/dessies. Kind of a balance issue there. Not for you as soloist...but like I said ccp knows full well many players like flying with friends.

I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.

As opposed to easy going mass gate camping in AHACS and Guardians?

Yes, because they are a nice target for hot drops. Not many would be going to hotdrop on frigs and destroyers, which makes them semi-immune to that threat.

so bad idea because someone's going to put 100+ frigs on lowsec gates now...as opposed to 100 AHACS? You can put 100 anything, what difference it makes to the discussion i'm not sure.