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Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect Surely You're Joking 421	Posted - 2014.09.30 00:23:00 - [1] - Quote Currently if you want to camp a lowsec gate you need a group of fairly tanky cruisers at the very least. You need to catch your target and blap it before the gate guns destroy you. This forces the camper to always come with superior numbers. It also excludes frigs from participating. If frigs/dessies were immune from gate aggro, we could at least see solo or small gangs of frigs camping gates rather than always seeing heavy cruisers doing the job. Before people scream "but this will make it so that ships are easily tackled and have no chance of escape." Good pirates will just fit a tackle proc for the job anyway. Frig/Dessy lowsec gate immunity because not doing it, is irresponsible. Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 774	Posted - 2014.09.30 00:47:00 - [2] - Quote Because I am anti-pirate I can't explain how to do it But I can tell you, you can low sec gank with frigates, just not solo.
Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect Surely You're Joking 421	Posted - 2014.09.30 00:49:00 - [3] - Quote I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions. Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 2797	Posted - 2014.09.30 00:53:00 - [4] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions. Then you'll have to accept that as a solo frig pilot there are things that will be beyond your abilities to accomplish.
Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect Surely You're Joking 421	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:07:00 - [5] - Quote Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that. Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 774	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:14:00 - [6] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that. And after you have killed 5 or 6 empty Iteron and the Sentry are shooting you due to -10.00 should this be null and void too? Because you are -10.00 in a frigate?
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 311	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:21:00 - [7] - Quote The place for the solo frig to camp a gate would be nulsec, where there are no gate guns. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Wolf Incaelum State Protectorate Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:30:00 - [8] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that. Yeah, Alvatore DiMarco. Accept THAT. HAH! How do you like THEM apples. Lol. You tell em', Seraph.
Ines Tegator Towels R Us 510	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:32:00 - [9] - Quote So, make lowsec like nullsec. No. Just go to nullsec. -1 - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there?
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 6202	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:39:00 - [10] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions. Then you'll have to accept that as a solo frig pilot there are things that will be beyond your abilities to accomplish. Exactly this. By having to bring stuff heavier than frigs/dessies to lock down a gate you essentially have to "commit" to that particular area (because you are slower and more unwieldy). This makes you more vulnerable to other, faster groups of people (who may be in frigs and dessies ironically enough) or MUCH larger threats (like capital hotdrops). There are some things that small ships can do that lager ships cannot. There are also things that large ships can do that smaller ships cannot. Gatecamping [as a neutral or against neutrals] in low-sec falls into the latter category. I do not see a problem with it. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
God's Apples Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 442	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:41:00 - [11] - Quote This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.
Foxstar Damaskeenus Soul Takers 213	Posted - 2014.09.30 01:46:00 - [12] - Quote God's Apples wrote: This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed. Yep Unban Aglon! -áhttp://evenews24.com/2014/09/21/nulli-titan-reimbursed-soul-taker-pilot-banned/
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 2798	Posted - 2014.09.30 02:02:00 - [13] - Quote Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote: God's Apples wrote: This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed. Yep Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible.
Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect Surely You're Joking 421	Posted - 2014.09.30 02:10:00 - [14] - Quote Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind... Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here. Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 144	Posted - 2014.09.30 02:18:00 - [15] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote: God's Apples wrote: This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed. Yep Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible. I don't know. If you have a lot of money in real life it you can do stuff that most people can't. Doesn't seem game breaking :)
Angelique Duchemin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 886	Posted - 2014.09.30 04:15:00 - [16] - Quote Just go a few jumps out into null sec. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Toriessian Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium 298	Posted - 2014.09.30 04:35:00 - [17] - Quote I think it'd be fair if the gate guns didn't have 100% perfect tracking and sig radius mattered with them.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 492	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:55:00 - [18] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind... Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here. Your issue (well one of many) would be not everyone would use it solo, even if that intent is genuine. So it be large number of gank frigs on the gate who don't face reprisal for the gank you get problems. they'd be deathtraps. This off the bat gave me visions of EAF supported max gank fit frigs camps. Or just run t1 e-war if too cheap for that. throw in logi frigs not dying.....gets really fun. And I haven't even tacked in fleet booster off grid yet. Yes I know you want solo (or say you do)....ccp knows many unlike you would team up for some wicked combos. Current setup if really pulling shortest straw and what is dying in the camp is not covering losses....campers start to go this just ain't working out tonight. Give them ships immune to gate guns, fly them with tactics and fits make them hard to defeat (if even possible)....they will fish that hole all day and night long.
Thorr VonAsgard Never Surrender. 42	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:36:00 - [19] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Frig/Dessy lowsec gate immunity because not doing it, is irresponsible. Yeah yeah, and then 100+ camp with only freg without to fear sentries.... Bad bad idea
Lugh Crow-Slave Guardians of the Morrigan 85	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:44:00 - [20] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote: God's Apples wrote: This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed. Yep Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible. Don't forget the "give all ships jump drives" post.
Syrias Bizniz Zebra Corp The Bastion 333	Posted - 2014.09.30 08:06:00 - [21] - Quote shocking revelation: A Frigate, that has some buffer tank, will NOT get insta popped at a gate. Also, Crime-Watch mechanics already did a lot for frigates in lowsec. If you can't do it, then it is because you lack the player-skill required to pull it off. And maybe a friend.
Jur Tissant Unreal Darkness 257	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:53:00 - [22] - Quote It's low-sec, not null-sec. Hence there is still some residual "sec" and this takes the form of gate guns. Only NPC pirates are immune to gate guns. Probably because the factions feel bad for them.
Tabyll Altol Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two 18	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:10:00 - [23] - Quote Ines Tegator wrote: So, make lowsec like nullsec. No. Just go to nullsec. -1 /sign
Iain Cariaba 412	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:18:00 - [24] - Quote God's Apples wrote: This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed. You should re-read pretty much any of DrysonBennington's ideas, though this does rank up there. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 118	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:31:00 - [25] - Quote So 5 cruisers on gate is bad, but 50 frigates is okay? Is that what your saying?
Nalha Saldana Contractors Ltd. 836	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:38:00 - [26] - Quote I'd rather see super dangerous gate guns, that would move the pvp to space where actual activities are run. Ofc you can still use wardecs to camp specific people or shoot pirates at gates all day but I find it really silly that the empires cant protect their own damn gates.
Steppa Musana Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 164	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:47:00 - [27] - Quote Absofuckinglutely not. Lowsec gates being harder to get through would only decrease PVE activity. Lowsec needs more incentives to PVE, not loss.
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 85	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:10:00 - [28] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind... Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here. nope, bad idea is just bad.
Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect Surely You're Joking 421	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:25:00 - [29] - Quote so bad idea because someone's going to put 100+ frigs on lowsec gates now...as opposed to 100 AHACS? You can put 100 anything, what difference it makes to the discussion i'm not sure. The idea provides variation for the gate camp. Right now you have AHAC gangs for the most part. If other ships became viable you would see different set ups rather than gate clear or impassable AHAC gang. Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection
Lich Reaper Jaeger Bombers 5	Posted - 2014.09.30 15:01:00 - [30] - Quote Seraph, Not sure why you feel that frigates and destroyers need immunity from gate guns in low sec, when there are no gate guns in nullsec already. People are succesfully solo/small-ganging with frigates and destroyers in nullsec (moreso NPC than sov-null, however). You also have the option of doing that in FW space, where you can find relatively good fights against same-size hulls. So imagine being in lowsec in a frig/destroyer gang, immune to gate guns... why fly any other ship at all then, if you want nullsec mechanics without being in nullsec? I don't feel this is a useful change in any way. But I've been victim to gatecamping frigate gangs who use logi as well and survive quite handily. As for solo, nullsec or FW space is your best bet!

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