You are kidding yourselves if you think you will implement something like this and people wont exit the ship at every jump just to get further with a different guy.
I personally have 5 carrier toons you put this ill thought short sighted crap in and watch me do exactly this.

Restricting the ability to bring in back up quickly in some cases will reduce the useage of capitals not increase.

Legitimately just cancelled seven subscriptions.

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If these changes affect jump freighters then CCP is not getting another cent from me. Alliance-level logistics is a NIGHTMARE as it is, and this is only going to make it worse. A cooldown to use my jump freighter character? Give me a break.

Your move, Greyscale.

Jump fatigue is tracked for each character, persisting between play sessions and over downtimes as appropriate.


This is the only thing I'm not jiving with. One of the big things in EVE that makes it leagues better than any other MMO is the offline aspect of timers. You train SP offline, your JC timer proceeds offline, your killrights tick away offline, ect. Forcing us to keep our clients logged in for long periods of time makes no sense whatsoever, it just means you're consuming more electricity on a global scale.


It is good for making your login numbers look good though... :tinfoil:

So, after giving this more thought, I retract my previous statements. I'm probably among the masses who had a very negative knee-jerk reaction to the changes. I think there are positives and negatives to this.

The main negatives I see are:

1. Logistical strain for everyone, be it importing supplies to 0.0 or running a nomadic pirate force.
2. Ice prices
3. Carriers and Dreads should either have a reduction in manufacturing requirements or a little bit of a buff. Their overall potency is decreased by the jump changes, so I think that a little adjustment in their stats is in order. Supers recently got a buff with the DDA changes, and Titans... I don't have enough experience with to really say whether they'll be worth their price after.
4. This does actually hurt mercenary and pirate corps/alliances that use mobility as one of their main strengths. Imagine Noir and Suddenly trying to do contracts post-change. This type of playstyle will be very, very difficult to pull off, moreso than it already is.

Overall, I'm just going to wait and see how things pan out. I see benefits, I see drawbacks, and i see how some players can maneuver around the system. Fingers crossed.

CCP Greyscale - will you be making it so that when a ship jumps a gate that they end up a proportionate distance from the gate relative to their weight like in wormhole space?

Once a year seems pretty harsh. Someone suggested four times per year, and that seems very fair. I'd even go so far as to add a 30-day cool down between pod-jumps.

One big problem is that these changes have the unintended consequence of nerfing multiple jumps over short ranges, say back and forth between two nearby systems. That has nothing to do with force projection and yet will still incur the same penalties as jumping all the way across the universe.

That doesn't necessarily mean we're wrong, nor does it imply we don't know what we're talking about. And having a 10 year old character in no way implies that the player behind it has actually played the game for ten years.

We agree thing need fixing - but this is tooooooo much

I've lived through, in a different game, the fundamentally changing a game while it's LIVE.... you might be getting more than you want in the end?

CCP if you really do it with these changes, then Eve will be a 100% Dead Game in 6-8 Weeks

The following changes are acceptable for me:

• Keep all Jump Ranges as they are
• acceptable Jump fatigue = 2min (Standard) + 30sec per 0.5 Ly
• after running out of this Cool down, Fatigue must be reseted. No Multiplications with old Fatigues.

e.g. 1:
If you have to travel 3 Max Jumps with an 5/5 skilled Archon (14.624 Ly), your total Fatigue will be 3*(2min+15min) = 51min.

e.g. 2:
If you have to travel 2 Jumps, 1st 10,4 Ly and 2nd 5,8 Ly, your total Fatigue will be: 2min+10,5min and 2min+6min = 20,5min.


I think that should be fair enough to be not an grand total Nurf and to travel even more will not be pain in the ass of a lifetime job.

Agreed. Western side of the map is going to be locked down pretty hard. There are only two entrances to Cloud Ring from low sec - both over 5 AU away. VERY easy to lock down. You can jump to Cloud Ring from Alparena, but it will be impossible to set up any sort of supply lines needed to win an "occupancy war" with your alliance.

Maybe they change sov to "Actity Based" in which case at least your guys will log in every day and pew rather than not log in at all for months at a time. That's a good thing, right?

No problem, already there,,,
And with so many apparently quitting, it only means people like me will be in higher demand. Well, at least my JF services