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tookar Amarr Krookid	Posted - 2006.08.10 08:07:00 - [31] 10k dollars worth of gtc gets 60 billion isk? WoW that doesnt seem like much for your money :) I dont think many people would be doing this though out of the 100k or whatever subscribers and tbh some people get a t2 bpo worth 90bil isk and they dont even have to pay for it so i dont think a few people being uber wealthy affects the game much except that the limited number of t2 bpo allows them to control the market .
Rick Dentill Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.10 08:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Moghydin Very rich ppl usually don't have time for computer games, and they are usually obsessed with other things than building virtual business empires and buying non-existant property. So, I don't believe that it's some rich businessman, trying to be uber in Eve. Most likely it's someone's business. $10000 is a huge amount of ISK, more than enough to acquire things in game that will help to generate ISK without buying it with RL money. So, most likely, it's someone's business (money laundering seems a possibility). Is it legal, we don't know, but we know that something stinks there. If I was really rich, I would so play EVE, hell I could quit my job and play EVE all day, and it would be far more fun to build a virtual empire with Spaceships. Though if I was super ultra mega rich then I would try and make a SpaceEmpire in real life. _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.08.10 09:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Vadarr Mann 2. Hes getting the isk so that he can sell it back at a profit on ebay or a isk selling website, the more likely assumption. Even if this was true, does it matter? If one thinks ability to buy ISK (as is legal through sanctioned GTC market) is bad he should protest to CCP, not worry about individual sellers. The only important question is; does the individual somehow hurt the game itself, the economic balances and such? More than the allowing buyers to break the Hierarchy of Achievement as GTC sale does. Who cares if he is a terrorist laundering money? Or if he gets middle-man profit by reselling those ISKs. Neither would change anything for the game itself. IMHO, an individual buying a lot of GTCs (and then selling them for RL money) would be more worrysome, since that would tend to break the economic balance within the game (by allowing some people to treat Eve as a work instead of game). -Lasse
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.10 09:08:00 - [34] Just permaban the guy. Just for the sheer volume of GTC he's selling.
Uther Doull Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.10 09:41:00 - [35] i've heard of some muppet who sold about $3,200 worth of gtc to buy a carrier or mothership... there are crazy ppl you know... on the other hand, it's not that hard to imagine he's either reselling the isk or indeed using ilegally obtained money...
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.10 09:51:00 - [36] Originally by: d0omer maybe he wants a titan? or an outpost? Ok, you've made your point. (Or failed to make it 5 times imo) People care about this, if you don't then step away. It is irregular. This is a discussion board. Seems logical that people pick up on irregular things to discuss on a discussion board doesn't it?
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.08.10 10:22:00 - [37] Wow... someone else whos selling GTC's in their hundreds... oh noes!! My gameplay is ruined!! Now I wont be able to tell if they guy who's just killed me did it with illicitly aquired isk or not. I'm so angry about this! Oh. Wait, no I'm not. Unless you have proof this guys is selling on the ISK dont bother posting in future. Originally by: Vadarr Mann No sane person does this, one of two things has happend here. You think everyone who plays EVE is sane? Did I mention I think your stupid? ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.10 10:30:00 - [38] Sounds like a drug dealer (or the like) looking to hide his tracks... I thought eBay ISK was cheaper than going straight up GTC's? If so, he can't be doing this for profit, but simply to cover his/her tracks... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Moghydin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.08.10 10:32:00 - [39] I'm surprized to see how many ppl defend ISK sellers. 1-st of all, we are in discution forum and not in a court of law. We don't need to prove anything beyond any reasonable doubt. No one will be executed, sentenced or convicted because of what we post here. Most likely, no one will even get banned. So, stop with all those no proof - no post thing. It's a place to discuss things and that's what we do. 2-nd. yes, I'm very concerned that someone is cheating in game, even if the cheat is endorsed by CCP. We are at the same server and are playing by the same rules. Unfortunately we don't have GTC free-zone server. I don't want to be a part of the game, where there's a RL wallet peen contest. Even now, you have to use more than 1 acct to keep up with powergaming types, and massive ISK buyers/sellers won't add much fun to the game. Why should I be concerned is very simple. Let's say, we are at war, we lose ships. We have to pay ISK to replace ships or modules. We go ratting, trading or doing any other in-game activity to get that ISK. It takes time, we can't do any other things while we're doing this. It affects the war effort. Other side loses ships, but instead of using in-game method to replace ships, they sell GTC's en-masse. Insta ISK, ships are quickly replaced, no need to disrupt war. War is won.
Ephemeron	Posted - 2006.08.10 10:35:00 - [40] The real issue here is whether CCP as an morally ethical business or not. If they want to be ethical, they'd care about where the money they get is coming from and what it all leads to. They'd need to investigate this case. Otherwise, who cares if it's dirty money, blood money, as long as it's coming their way it's all good.
Nikita Fontaine Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.08.10 10:44:00 - [41] Edited by: Nikita Fontaine on 10/08/2006 10:45:27 removed ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
Moghydin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.08.10 10:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Nikita Fontaine $10,000 over several/many months is not a lot of money for a lot of professional people (assuming they dont have a family to look after) I know that, but it's sad that (assuming that it's not a business) ppl actually feel the need to cheat in order to be successfull in game and spoil the game for those who try to play fair.
Vadarr Mann	Posted - 2006.08.10 10:55:00 - [43] Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Vadarr Mann 2. Hes getting the isk so that he can sell it back at a profit on ebay or a isk selling website, the more likely assumption. Even if this was true, does it matter? If one thinks ability to buy ISK (as is legal through sanctioned GTC market) is bad he should protest to CCP, not worry about individual sellers. The only important question is; does the individual somehow hurt the game itself, the economic balances and such? More than the allowing buyers to break the Hierarchy of Achievement as GTC sale does. Who cares if he is a terrorist laundering money? Or if he gets middle-man profit by reselling those ISKs. Neither would change anything for the game itself. IMHO, an individual buying a lot of GTCs (and then selling them for RL money) would be more worrysome, since that would tend to break the economic balance within the game (by allowing some people to treat Eve as a work instead of game). -Lasse Who cares if hes a terrorist? Just about every government on this planet, and you will care to if the terrorist caused you to lose someone close to you.
Boonaki Caldari Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Vadarr Mann Who cares if hes a terrorist? Just about every government on this planet, and you will care to if the terrorist caused you to lose someone close to you. I wonder if there's any real life terrorists that play Eve. I wonder if the U.S. or U.K. government monitors my eve mail. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Moghydin I'm surprized to see how many ppl defend ISK sellers Actually, who all did so? Most I saw was defending this individual GTC seller, and some comments akin that re-selling doesnt make the problem worse. I fully agree with you that being able to buy ISK with RL money is bad (partially for the reasons you stated). I'll highly applaud you if you figure a (not-too-expensive) way to prevent such sales. Then again, I can understand why CCP did saction GTC sales. It was mostly like "Hey, now that we already got this drug war at hand..how about if goverment started selling methadone and other drug substitutes?". That is, doing something bad to fix even more evil situation. Perhaps we as players ought to despise GTC sellers, thought not so sure if that is a viable course anymore. -Lasse who is not involved in GTC market
Vadarr Mann	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Vadarr Mann Who cares if hes a terrorist? Just about every government on this planet, and you will care to if the terrorist caused you to lose someone close to you. I wonder if there's any real life terrorists that play Eve. I wonder if the U.S. or U.K. government monitors my eve mail. It was heikki who brought up the terrorist thing, nobody else, he said "who cares if hes a terrorist" And i told him.
Lorette Gallente Mythian Empire	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:21:00 - [47] He could just be the 'buyer' for a large alliance, just because its one character doesnt mean only one person is behind the selling itself. These things need trust and if your new to the 'business' of selling GTC's you wont get as much business as the person who's successfully sold 100's. My point being if you had a large corp you could just use one alt for everyone to get isk through, instead of doing it all separately with alot more effort.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Lorette He could just be the 'buyer' for a large alliance, just because its one character doesnt mean only one person is behind the selling itself. These things need trust and if your new to the 'business' of selling GTC's you wont get as much business as the person who's successfully sold 100's. My point being if you had a large corp you could just use one alt for everyone to get isk through, instead of doing it all separately with alot more effort. Which is just as disturbing. If we have alliances out there that are pooling $10,000 in RL cash to fund PvP, or POS wars, the game is broke! ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Vadarr Mann	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Lorette He could just be the 'buyer' for a large alliance, just because its one character doesnt mean only one person is behind the selling itself. These things need trust and if your new to the 'business' of selling GTC's you wont get as much business as the person who's successfully sold 100's. My point being if you had a large corp you could just use one alt for everyone to get isk through, instead of doing it all separately with alot more effort. Yes, because a large alliance of players are pitting all they're money together to buy timecodes enmasse and sell them for isk, and the person they decide to put in charge of the most important part of all of it? The person who speaks english so bad that hes probably using a free online translator service.
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:33:00 - [50] A drug dealer hiding his tracks by putting money into EVE. rofl, what planet are you guys on ?
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:34:00 - [51] If its ok with CCP (and they have already stated its is) then its OK with me ... Stop flogging a dead horse and posting GTC threads its boring .....
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Bill Shankly A drug dealer hiding his tracks by putting money into EVE. rofl, what planet are you guys on ? Planet Earth, where **** like this can happen... At least in my country... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Hatuk	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:39:00 - [53] heh... i bet that those who complain would be the 1st ones that would do it IF they had the 10k $... now Vaddar will say something like: "me? never!" people should play the game, have fun and not waste time breaking head about meaningles things
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:41:00 - [54] Quote: people should play the game, have fun and not waste time breaking head about meaningles things Someone buying 60bill worth of ISK is not meaningless IMO... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Vadarr Mann	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:45:00 - [55] Edited by: Vadarr Mann on 10/08/2006 11:47:40 Edited by: Vadarr Mann on 10/08/2006 11:46:23 Originally by: Hatuk heh... i bet that those who complain would be the 1st ones that would do it IF they had the 10k $... now Vaddar will say something like: "me? never!" people should play the game, have fun and not waste time breaking head about meaningles things What are you, a child? Many people have $10,000, the only people who dont are either children or live in a poor part of the world. Seriously, that is the kind of thing only a kid would say. Actually i cant stop laughing about what you said, do you honestly believe there are many people in this world who would waste $10,000 on buying isk?
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Chain Gang Stop flogging a dead horse and posting GTC threads its boring ..... Stop reading them if they bore you. The topic page allows you to cherry pick and read the stuff that interests you. It's not a dead horse by any means.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:52:00 - [57] vadmarr u have had about 10 threads moderated by CCP so far - do u have a beef with this toon ? I support removing macro miners and *****ing down on ebayers as well as closing any loopholes in the GTC system but u seem to be on a one man war using an alt against the whole thing Im assuming there is some motivation but im guessing youre oging to get a forum ban soon enough if u keep going Just a friendly heads up
Trex Y Mindless Destruction	Posted - 2006.08.10 12:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Vadarr Mann 1. Hes an insanely rich person and is spending all his money to buy isk with GTC, highly unlikely, especially with his dodgy english, and if this were true then it presents a major problem, people said no rich guy would come to EVE and waste loads of money buying this much isk. I think that you are unable to imagine what kind of different things rich people do with their money. They might even enjoy EVE that much so they use RL money to gain isk. Besides that your point about wealth being connected to how good someone speaks english is plain racist. Or stupid. Which is the same anyway. Originally by: Vadarr Mann 2. Hes getting the isk so that he can sell it back at a profit on ebay or a isk selling website, the more likely assumption. Which is spoken with an outside view completely fine. Now from a gamer's perspective CCP should closely monitor the GTC sales and sellers. Not only for the sake of ingame balance but also in regards to helping criminals to "wash" "dirty" money (no idea if there is a special english expression for that). But we don't want to be to optimistic. In the end CCP is still a business and money rules the world. CCP and hence EVE are part of that world.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.10 12:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Hatuk people should play the game, have fun and not waste time breaking head about meaningles things But that's just it. When people can make a few thousand $ a month it stops being a game and becomes a job. Its not about the one guy mining to get some free Eve quality time, its about wrecking a nice game. We ain't got balls, but plenty of nuts.
kurtz abraham	Posted - 2006.08.10 12:12:00 - [60] If it were down to me, which it isn't (just a suggestion), make it so that if you want GTC for isk you buy them from CCP, and if you want isk for GTC you buy them from CCP also, from the pool of isk from the first option. This keeps the isk in game and at the same time puts a certain amount of automated monitoring in place. Then make it so that players cannot directly sell GTC for isk or isk for GTC from other players. Might be an admin' nightmare, might not even work, on an automated level or otherwise, just a suggestion. Kurtz.

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