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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.08.10 14:07:00 -
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More non-RP from the non-RP Verisum Family alliance I see. 
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Posted - 2006.08.10 14:22:00 -
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Jean,
KIA usually posts their contracts online its free publicity. As for attacking them after the war we're considering all options. The overall purpose NOW is to cost the employer as much money as possible. Considering the last hired merc that fought PIE/CVA lost a Dread trying to take down a POS I'm sure its not cheap.
Either way it doesnt matter. Anything destroyed can be rebuilt. Anything seized can be recaptured. Life goes on in service to Amarr and we dont worry about day to day things. Especially considering what may be in the works this weekend anyway. Perhaps KIA will find CVA / PIE are not such easy pickings and unlike some we don't have to hire "friends" to help us.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 21:05:00 -
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Well the arrival of KIA is a disappointment (in someone I spoke with the other day) but not unexpected. Given the half dozen or so mercenary corporations already having battled PIE and CVA over the last month or so its not really a surprise.
I'm sure KIA will do what KIA does best. They'll destroy a few ships, maybe attack a couple POSs, maybe even hit the CVA station who knows. And in a few weeks their contract will be over.
CVA and PIE on the other hand will still be around. 
I dont have alot of respect for the person who hired these mercs. At least have some guts and step forward. Then again I dont think they need to as its pretty obvious who it is given recent history. Either way it accomplishes nothing. I think they'll find both PIE and CVA determined enemies and will find they'll take a few losses to get some kills. Either way at the end all will be as it was before the war and PIE and CVA will still be around.
So sit back and enjoy letting your employer waste his money....... I know I will.
Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.08.11 03:50:00 -
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"And Archbishop, the notion that hiring mercs would somehow be anti-RP is rediculous. If a character wants a goal achieved and mercs look cost-effective compared to other means, the character will hire the mercs.
And that's assuming that whomever hired KIA is an RPer in the first place..."
Ah.... I dont recall saying it was anti-RP. Oh sure personally I dont see the point if you are a RPer but clearly the people who hire mercs to do their fighting for them and bring in non-RP players who smacktalk in local are clearly not RPers to begin with. (Not talking about KIA here just past experience).
Personally if I wanted to be a RPer and join the community of active RPers I'd probably take a different tack but to each his own. Either way the employer is obviously an inept coward unable to fight his own battles so he runs and hires mercs. I think that says alot about who he is as a person. Given the recent activities relating to PIE and CVA and all the mercs tossed at us its also pretty obvious where this comes from.
So I'll just point out as I said above....... they're not RPers at all.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 23:09:00 -
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Either way the employer is obviously an inept coward unable to fight his own battles so he runs and hires mercs. I think that says alot about who he is as a person.
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Now, hold on a minute there. Take a look at what you are saying from an RP standpoint. Think about the history and purpose of mercs in the real world and EVE as well. Our role has always been either to support a larger force to ensure specific goals are accomplished or to be the tip of the sword for an overall greater purpose.
You've got a group of people who are weaker than you militarily but they have the economic power to still see their will done. They are willing to use that economic power to see events shaped to their desires. History is filled with tales of rich people who use others in order to achieve their goals."
Thats nice but as far as RP goes (which is who we are) it really means nothing. In the end we're still around and these "employers" really have accomplished nothing. As you've said Seleene you've read the entire conflict thus I would guess you can see the true motivation behind it. If not feel free to convo me ingame and I'll be happy to discuss it. It has nothing to do with IG events at all really just ego and jealousy. If this were about ingame desires and motivations I'd agree with you 100%. You'll recall I support the merc concept. My objection comes when OOG motivations enter the equation and overrule common sense. You'd actually be really surprised at the motivations in play here and some of the very non-game things threatend (very non-game economical if you ask me).
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So I'll just point out as I said above....... they're not RPers at all.
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Why is that? Because they are not doing this the way you would? M8, CVA is one of the most well-established alliances in EVE. There is a core of morale and dedication there that few others in this game can even match. In an RP sense, CVA is arrogant and self-righteous to a fault, which is fine because TBH you've earned the right to be that way due to three years of accomplishments.
In character or out of character, can you really blame your opponent for using every means at their disposal to try to take you down?"
As I've indicated above I'll be happy to discuss privately the "real world" with you if you like. I know you can keep a secret. Rest assured though in this particular case it has nothing to do with RP (which would be ingame) and everything to do with OOG issues. The entire event crossed the RP/IG vs. OOG/RL line quite awhile back and is frankly downright ridiculous.
As a roleplayer I could care less how people RP ingame. I dont really care for alot of RP that happens in Eve but that doesnt mean I'm going to call them RPers. I dont like the SF RP for example but I consider SF very good RPers. Likewise I dont like the RP of several other groups but that doesn't mean I dont consider them RPers.
No this has nothing to do with RP and I guess thats why its so sad. A real good RP war we could sink our teeth into would be great. In this case though unlike all our other wars where we can sit down together after battle and talk like friends this war enemy is filled with very RL hatred and bile. I guess thats where I draw the line.
Either way its war and we'll deal with it. It doesnt make it "RP" though because someone says it is as a mask to hide RL motivations of revenge. When you can seperate the RP from the RL then you'll be an RPer. I've fallen a few times on that front and my RP has diminished as a result. Its a fine line but you need to walk it.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.11 23:13:00 -
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I will just say as an RPer I find myself disappointed and let down a bit. I thought someones RP was going to shape up a bit and it apparently hasnt. I feel like I wasted time the other day talking to someone now.
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(Whomever this person is, hiring mercs does not make for bad RP. Who are you anyway, the RP police?)"
Adoha. I'm referring to an individual with whom I had a private conversation where I thought some things were resolved. Given that and now this YES I am very disappointed in someone. This is a very OOC disappointment also because as it was an honest OOC discussion.
I could care less how people RP. I dont have to engage them. I was speaking very OOC.
On another front though I will add if this was indeed RP wouldn't the employer be gloating about his plot to destroy the Amarrians? In this case we have nothing but a war dec. Not even a pretense of reason. I'm willing to give KIA the benefit of the doubt as I've fought with them on several occasions in the past. I know KIAEddz as an honorable player and I respect the KIA organization (although I dont approve of alt spies). So I'll cut them alot of slack for the job they have to do.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 23:49:00 -
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"Daily pvp against dangerous opponents is "normal operations" for the CVA. I can say this in an ooc forum: Archie, you're coming across very defeatist here before any shots have even been fired."
Not at all Garreck I'm looking forward to a kickazz war here. Im just saying in the end nothing changes. We're still around. I'm sure both sides will lose ships. The tactic of KIA using alts in corps to spy on teamspeak is well known whereas we prefer to win and lose using what ingame resources we have with our "real" characters. So theres a bit of an ethical gap there but thats ok.
I personally think KIA has never had an opponent like PIE or the CVA and I think they'll be a bit surprised. Maybe they have once in the UshraKhan and while KIA destroyed alot of UK ships (using the alt spy deal) the UK emerged more powerful than ever and just as dedicated to RP as they ever were.
I guess I'm speaking more to their employer than anyone else here. If you thought you'd "gank" the Amarrians and spoil their fun think again. Regardless of how much isk you spend and how much you OOG hate us (real motives here for you) and how OOG jealous you are (more real motives here) in the end you've already failed because we stand united, we'll still be here afterwards, and we're still committed to the Amarrian RP community.
And most of all we're having a darn blast and want to kick some azz!
You lost the minute you took it OOG like you did. You've lost already before a single shot was fired. I find that hysterical.
Archie 
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