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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.10.09 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Arch Aggelos on 10/10/2003 19:15:15
If I've heard right on the forums, Minmitar agents drop Miner II BP, Gallente drop Adaptive Nano Membrane I BP, Caldari drop Shield Boost Amplifier I BP, Amarr drop Armour Explosive Hardener I.
While I'm not one to whine, why do Minmitar agents drop useful BP's and the Caldari/Gallente/Amarr agents drop BP's that really aren't all that exciting or in-demand? Also, why do Minmitar agents drop Tech II BP's and Caldari/Gallente/Amarr drop Tech I?
Tsk Tsk CCP...
edit: added Amarr BP drop type
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.09 20:34:00 -
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Why ask why?
Seriously, go work for a Minmatar agent if you want a Miner II BP - you could have one in a week.
Veruna Caseti
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Muaddid
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Posted - 2003.10.09 20:48:00 -
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~ 40 missions for a lvl 2 minamtar agent...
~ 90 missions for a lvl 3 minamtar agent...
~250+ missions for a Miner II BPo...
just the 250 missions alone is a minimum of 62.5h... a week ? your pretty damn hardcore if so :P
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Kesh Inehre
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Posted - 2003.10.09 21:28:00 -
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EVE: The Scond Job
-Kesh
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.10.09 21:36:00 -
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EVE: The Scond Job
-Kesh
I'll have that as a sig, thanks. 
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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.10.09 21:48:00 -
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Seriously, go work for a Minmatar agent if you want a Miner II BP - you could have one in a week.
Ah, but you've completely missed the point. Doing it this way is contrary to balance. I certainly do not think that all agents should give Miner II BP's. Just as I don't think that all agents should give all Implants. I do however think that agents should give out rewards that correspond to the rewards given out by other agents of the same level.
Doing it the way CCP is doing it is like saying "Minmitar agents will give rewards of 1 million isk, while all other races agents will give out rewards of 100,000 iks."
This seriously handycaps any player who wants to be true to their Amarr blood or anyone who has other RP issues for not aiding the Minmitar Republic, because no non-Minmitar agent gives out any reward even close to the value/usefulness of the Miner II BP.
I'm saying that either the Minmatar agents should not give out Tech II BP's, or all agents should. Not Miner II's, but something comprable in value or usefulness.
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Drachir
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Posted - 2003.10.09 22:13:00 -
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yep, bloody useless. oh well...
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.09 22:32:00 -
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This seriously handycaps any player who wants to be true to their Amarr blood or anyone who has other RP issues for not aiding the Minmitar Republic
You're "seriously handicapped" by not getting a Miner II Original BP? That's funny, seems like plenty of people in the game are doing okay without them now.
Seriously, get over it dude. They can't balance everything perfectly. If you want the MII BP that bad, go do the missions.
Besides, they won't be that valuable for much longer. There's already been at LEAST 2-3 dropped from missions. Now that it's public knowledge, how many weeks do you think it will be before there's 10? 15? 50?
The only reason everyone is horny for a Miner II BP is because of the whoring Techell has managed in its name. Once enough are on the market, it will be nothing more than another good module - reasonably priced and easily available.
Veruna Caseti
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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.10.10 01:14:00 -
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Once again you've completely missed the point of the post.
Forgive the caps but IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MINER II BP
It has everything to do with unbalanced and uneven distribution of rewards in the agent system.
It has everything to do with Minmitar agents giving out Tech II blueprints and all other agents giving out Tech I.
Please read and understand my posts before you reply.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 01:53:00 -
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I see your Point Arch and I agree.
I think CCP are well aware of the limitations of the factions as they are nwo though and have an entirely new and far wider scoped corporation-based standing system that is seeing its first iterations on the Chaos server now.
In the mean time i can only suggest that you do as i do:
get a Miner II Bp in a week 
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.10.10 02:47:00 -
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oh CRAP! i've been working my caldair lv3 agent.
now i need to start over with mimitar to get a miner 2 bp. this is going to suck. this might take me another month dammit. *sigh*
by the way, it's not 260+ missions total - lv2+lv3. it's 260+ mission for only your lv3 agent (check out the Rizz post, screenshot of his agent)
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Soren
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Posted - 2003.10.10 03:29:00 -
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Wonder what a Concord agent gives you. >_<
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.10 04:21:00 -
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>_<
> An unreasonable easy method for boosting your security status, what more do you want? <
As for "imbalance" there's no such thing in a system which is as open-ended as Agent missions. Nothing is stopping you from accessing all currently available rewards.
Veruna Caseti
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 04:37:00 -
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by the way, it's not 260+ missions total - lv2+lv3. it's 260+ mission for only your lv3 agent (check out the Rizz post, screenshot of his agent)
Its missions PER agent all right, but it can be anything up to 400 missions without fails - depending on your skills.
Being a "systems" junky (biological systems) i sused out how the agent referal system works and the "clause" for when ya get the BP mission.
Just dont ask for an explanation atm as im too tired... but i've tested it for 2 levels and its spot on so far, also calculates out perfectly for my caldari agents and that BP mission.
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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.10.10 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Arch Aggelos on 10/10/2003 06:18:44
Sure. But what's the point of having multiple factions, if people only ever do one of them because they have by far the best rewards? This isn't about me wanting to avoid the "hassle" of starting a new agent. I'm not even currently doing agent missions. It's about the fact that a balanced game is a better game.
Please think before you speak.
Give the charade a rest, no one cares about your tough-guy know-it-all attitude.
/emote is done talking to Veruna.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.10 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Arch Aggelos on 10/10/2003 06:18:44
Sure. But what's the point of having multiple factions, if people only ever do one of them because they have by far the best rewards? This isn't about me wanting to avoid the "hassle" of starting a new agent. I'm not even currently doing agent missions. It's about the fact that a balanced game is a better game.
Please think before you speak.
Give the charade a rest, no one cares about your tough-guy know-it-all attitude.
/emote is done talking to Veruna.
'Best' is a matter of opinion. Broken down Miner II Blueprints may only appear the best due to the fad demand. Catch is the inherent problem with miners:
Very, very few needs.
Once those lasers are bought, chances are you'll not see that miner again. The majority of the lasers will end up being used in high sec space where the loss ratio is much lower than a combat module.
So while the demand may be lower for combat modules, the return business may be higher. So it may be a better long term investment than the Miner II blueprint.
As I've done a sum total of 274 missions for my Minmatar agents (96 for my level 2 and 178 for my level 3) I may soon face the decision of keeping the blueprint if I get one or offering it for trade/sale (bship originals). A Scorpion and a Tempest original (don't let me finagle a Typhoon too) look to be the better long term investment.
Ships get destroyed. But I've met miners that have never left high sec space in 2 months of play.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Kahlee
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Posted - 2003.10.10 08:33:00 -
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Once again you've completely missed the point of the post.
Forgive the caps but IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MINER II BP
It has everything to do with unbalanced and uneven distribution of rewards in the agent system.
You mean just like in a real life?
You work in a US arms company and get shh*loads of money, while at the same time a guy at an arms company in Serbia instead of a big fat check gets a 2000lb bomb, compliments of USAF.
Real world is very unfair, but u learn to get along. Why should this be different?
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Xcyborg
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Posted - 2003.10.10 09:29:00 -
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regarding amarr BP reward ,i done 400 missions and still no BP....
a GM told me that you can receive a BP from 150 to 550 missions....
sure i'll get my at 550.....
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Alviarin
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:06:00 -
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its the profitable relationship minmatar have with the jove ;)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:15:00 -
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regarding amarr BP reward ,i done 400 missions and still no BP....
a GM told me that you can receive a BP from 150 to 550 missions....
sure i'll get my at 550.....
depends when you did those missions also - before a certian they wont count.
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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Arch Aggelos on 10/10/2003 19:08:05
Jash, you have a very valid point. There may be a higher long-term benifit from one of the combat modual BP's, but it still doesn't get around the issue of Minmitar giving the only Tech II BP.
Kahlee, your point is completley and utterly asinine. The USA is arguably the richest, most powerful contry in the world, while Serbia is... well... Serbia. Of course there will be a difference in pay scale. But we're not talking about USA vs. Serbia, we're talking about Minmitar vs. Caldari, Gallente, and Amarr. We're talking about 4 relativley equally matched governments that all span thousands of lightyears of space. We're talking about governments that control huge chunks of of a Galaxy.
What I said to Veruna applies to you as well. Think before you speak.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.11 21:44:00 -
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The shieldboost amp is also a decent reward, so those going for Caldari agents, I wouldn't give up.
Initial demand for these units is lower (medslot item, only 1-2 needed per ship), but it is more sustainable. (FAR more likely to get blown up.)
Meanwhile the Amarr (explosive armor hardener) and Gallente (energized adaptive nano plating) are useless items that are worthless even as rare pirate drops.
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.10.11 22:41:00 -
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Perhaps the entire system is being developed and the true balance will not been seen until all rewards are in place.
For instance there would seem to be a prefered Implant and a Prefered Blueprint. It seems there may be other items like a prefered booster drug or something of the sort.
Even if this is not the case, the desire for certian items changes with time. Take the Charisma Implant. It used to sell for 3.5 million, however, now people are hearing it can benefit Agent missions (just one aspect) the price has jumped up quite a bit.
All good things come to those who wait. That or they just die from old age, but then they are dead and don't need it anyways.
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Harliquin
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Posted - 2003.10.12 07:50:00 -
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Meanwhile the Amarr (explosive armor hardener) and Gallente (energized adaptive nano plating) are useless items that are worthless even as rare pirate drops.
I think they might become much more in demand after the introduction of cloaking devices
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Mike Smith
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Posted - 2003.10.13 07:30:00 -
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think it is not worth starting with minmitar agent1 missions...
it¦s a little late i think 
till i have 250+ lvl3 missions done it will take at least 2-3 weeks - and then the miner2 bp will be worth bout 20-50 mill i think... if i mine in this time i would get more isk i think ;)
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voogru
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Posted - 2003.10.13 08:23:00 -
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First everyone complains that about Miner II's being too rare.
Now everyone complains that they are given out by agents.
Whats next?
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Flaloch
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Posted - 2003.10.13 09:31:00 -
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Please refer to Rizz's thread.
He received a miner 2 bp from an amarr agent.
"The people expected it of me and I had got to do it; I could feel their two thousand wills pressing me forward, irresistibly. "
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Sushanta Mog
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Posted - 2003.10.13 10:30:00 -
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Please refer to Rizz's thread.
He received a miner 2 bp from an amarr agent.
Nope, its a Minmatar. Pator Tech school.
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Flaloch
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Posted - 2003.10.13 10:34:00 -
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Please refer to Rizz's thread.
He received a miner 2 bp from an amarr agent.
Nope, its a Minmatar. Pator Tech school.
doh, i really should pay more attention.
"The people expected it of me and I had got to do it; I could feel their two thousand wills pressing me forward, irresistibly. "
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