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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 18:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Andros vonBek Put a Caracal BPO and some RDbs and some miscellaneous sensor/shield resistance upgrades, along with bits and pieces of T2 components, and put it in a Horadric Cube along with Wirt's Leg? (Sorry, I'm spaced out on cough medecine/sweets, this was the first thing into my head) Made me laugh --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Andros vonBek Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.10 18:52:00 - [32] WTB: Large 'Horadric' Secure Cargo Container (Yay I made Dark Shikari laugh!!! This is THE single most proudestest moment in my EVE career.)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 18:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Andros vonBek (Yay I made Dark Shikari laugh!!! This is THE single most proudestest moment in my EVE career.) Eh I laugh easily . 'twas a good one though. Ah, fond memories of Diablo 2... --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.10 19:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 10/08/2006 14:02:00 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Wild Rho Originally by: Dark Shikari My prediction is that invention will crash the prices of the top 3-10 overpriced T2 items, and considerably affect another 30-40. The vast majority won't even see a difference. Which is a good thing tbh as it creates a semi flexible supply to help match the shifting demands in the t2 market. Exactly. I proposed a similar solution many many months ago, and I'm guessing CCP thought it was a good idea. The best possible solution to the T2 problem is a small, flexible supply of T2 items that will automatically (through market forces) adapt to pull down the prices of the most overpriced T2 items. This ensures that there will never be a situation where supply of a particular T2 item is vastly less than demand. On the other hand, it doesn't crash the market either. Anyone have a good estimation on skill pre-requisites? Lets say I have all the required skills to build a Amarr HAC, what would I need to train to be able to "invent" one... Kind of stupid, they should just call it reverse engineering, as that's what it is... No, its not. You're taking data cores and a tech 1 BPC and making it into a tech 2 BPC. You're not "using up" or even "analyzing" any T2 item to do so. If the items came out with different bonuses etc, I'd say yes. But if the HAC I build is the same exact ship as the BPO holder builds, then I say no... End product should be based on the skill of the Inventor, and no Inventor should be able to build a HAC as good as the BPO holder can... I cant see it happening like that ... are you imagining the huge amout of new items with slightly diferences and consequences to the server load ???? I can see the skill of the inventor be involved in the proces like the amount of material required to actually build one item ... Anyway this are good news if they are implemented that is
F4ze Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.08.10 19:09:00 - [35] A new metamodule with the word "horadric" sure would be very nice. (do you recon that word is copyrighted?)
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.10 19:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Bhaal If the items came out with different bonuses etc, I'd say yes. But if the HAC I build is the same exact ship as the BPO holder builds, then I say no... End product should be based on the skill of the Inventor, and no Inventor should be able to build a HAC as good as the BPO holder can... Wouldn't that eliminate the whole point? The point of invention is to add extra supply to the T2 economy as is needed so that CCP doesn't have to micromanage the number of BPOs in the game. Not really, as a consumer I'd settle for a HAC with a few % less resists for 50mill less, etc... This in itself would inherently lower the price of the top of the line models... As overall demand for "HACS" would go down. Only those with the ISK for the top of the line models would be buying them... We're talking minor differences here, not drastic bonus changes, etc... Where does it say the HAC produced by an invented BPC will be worse than the HAC coming straight from a BPO? All I've seen is that the guy using invention will have steeper production costs. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Caethes Adain Minmatar The Descendents	Posted - 2006.08.10 19:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Dark Shikari Do you even know what invention is? It allows players to make T2 BPCs of current T2 items. Its not about making totally new "uber" items. Where did you get your info from?, just curious as I didn't know it was gonna be BPC based People dissapoint me. End my dissapointment.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.10 20:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Bhaal If the items came out with different bonuses etc, I'd say yes. But if the HAC I build is the same exact ship as the BPO holder builds, then I say no... End product should be based on the skill of the Inventor, and no Inventor should be able to build a HAC as good as the BPO holder can... Wouldn't that eliminate the whole point? The point of invention is to add extra supply to the T2 economy as is needed so that CCP doesn't have to micromanage the number of BPOs in the game. Not really, as a consumer I'd settle for a HAC with a few % less resists for 50mill less, etc... This in itself would inherently lower the price of the top of the line models... As overall demand for "HACS" would go down. Only those with the ISK for the top of the line models would be buying them... We're talking minor differences here, not drastic bonus changes, etc... Where does it say the HAC produced by an invented BPC will be worse than the HAC coming straight from a BPO? All I've seen is that the guy using invention will have steeper production costs. It does not say that anywhere... I'm saying that is an option IMO... Does not mean there has to be an infinite number of versions of the same HAC, but maybe 3 or 4. With the best one coming from original BPO's only... The lesser ones based on skill level of the inventor... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2006.08.10 20:20:00 - [39] For the love of christ, people. 2006.06.21, STOP! HAMMER TIME... 2006.07.14, YAWN AND STRECH (sic) As I posted above my door, courtesy of the late US Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.'
Kldraina	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:28:00 - [40] I wonder if it will become possible to create T2 shield power relays, or T2 reinforced bulkheads. Or any of the other T2 items that haven't been released yet.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:40:00 - [41] My hope for invention was always that it wouldn't create a perfect tech 2 ship. But would certainly create interesting mixes. For example different bonuses fall off etc. depending on the small details of the ship you researched or even faster shield recharge times or ship speeds sig radius etc. Create a myriad of "custom" ships albeit in a somewhat random way due to research time spent. But obviously that might too complicated an issue with the database since then every ship created would have to its own database #id which could result in a sloppy db. -------------- Dang nabit
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:43:00 - [42] Wait does this mean its on the test server already? I hope you're prediction is wrong about double the orginal BPO price CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:47:00 - [43] Edited by: Jason Marshall on 10/08/2006 22:48:56 /me hopes the ******** hulk producers are forced to lower there prices. OMG I WANT SOCKETED BLASTERS AND BLOODY DIAMONDS TO PUT IN EM....AND DONT TELL ME TO GET LAASERS DAMNIT I WANT....j/k. i just want my hulk for a more reasonable price. Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!

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