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Trixi Audeles Into the Dark 0	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:54:00 - [1] - Quote First of all I apologize for posting on an alt, but my main is in an corp with a CEO with rage issues and I don't want any static from him. Second of all I hope 8 months is still "new" enough to qualify for posting on this board. I still feel like a newbie First the history then some questions: I joined in February and stayed in my NPC corp until May. I enjoyed my "solo" time as I learned the most basic things. I had always intended to join up with other players but because I didn't know which aspects of the game I would like I held off for a while. Just about the time I was wanting to look for a corporation I was approached by a recruitment officer of a local (to Dodixie) corporation. After being interviewed, giving them my API and having a trial period I joined the corp. It was pretty good for about a week until the Alliance they were in exploded, then we were perma wardecced by mercs hired by one of the other corps in the ex-alliance that were mad at the corp I just joined. The series of mercinaries week after week hired were very professional and basically locked us down into stations. When we did try to mount fleets to fight back we would all be killed quickly. About 50 percent of the corp quit over the course of weeks. The rest of us moved out to a high sec island (surrounded by low sec) to thwart the mercs. That was a huge pain because relocating everyone's stuff took weeks. Then we had to build up all new standings in the new area. The CEO in that corp decided to disappear for while and there was drama and in-fighting and it fell apart completely from one day to the next. I followed a few guys I had gotten to know on TS to another corp. The CEO from my ex-corp logged in to an empty corp, got very mad and used his extensive personal resources to wardec everyone into the ground. These high sec corps I am interested in are mostly industry, missioning, mining and exploration and when professional mercenaries show up in T3 cruisers they make short work of anyone not docked up. We were wardecced for 9 straight weeks and everyone lost about 50 percent of their wealth trying to (unsuccessfully) avoid the mercs. The only people who didn't lose ships are those that stayed docked up all the time.. and they basically disappeared one by one. So the decision was made to move out of the area back to the "mainland". It is fairly complicated moving stuff through a lowsec pipe, even with a carrier to assist. I lost a $150mil cargoload to a Loki that lit me up trying to get to the carrier dock. (Not complaining, that is just Eve and I could have mitigated the risks better). Bottom line is that by the time we were moved back to the mainland we had lost more corp members who jumped ship to join other corps. Oh and the wardecs followed us. My CEO decided to fight back and we were crushed in an embarrassing fight where they kept us at range and we never even hit them. Two days ago the last wardec was over and there isn't much remaining of the corp and no one seems to be logging in. It looks like maybe 6 active people are left. The CEO sent out an e-mail rant about how much he has sacrificed for the corp and we are ungrateful and we better all start logging in or else. It seems that in recent weeks (if not months) the CEO is always yelling at us for : - Not volunteering enough to run events - Being stupid and losing ships - Caring too much about personal wealth and not enough about the corporation wealth - Saying anything in local - Talking to anyone out of corp without a diplo - Having a skill queue that does not benefit the corp goals That is the situation, here are some questions: - I have been in a corp under wardec about 14 our of the last 20 weeks. Is that the norm? When I use the corp finder I see large highsec corps that manage to get wardecced only 2-3 times a year. - Is it always the policy in corps that if you undock during a wardec and lose a ship you are yelled at for "making things worse?" In other words is the logic that losing ships encourage extending the wardecs true and correct? This would imply that you sit in your station or not log into the game during the wardec. - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. - Is it possible to find high sec corps that really are about industry, mining, exploration, hauling and running missions? Who are not secretly yearning to be wannabe PvPers doing roams or having long term plans to "move to 0.0 someday". In other words full time carebears and proud of it? I can't be alone is wanting to log in every night, join a TS channel, optionally join an incursion fleet or mission fleet, or just talk eve mechanics while I do my own thing. Sometimes coordinate on some industry, have a mining/beer night, talk ship fits, etc. Something fun and easy going? A corp with low drama but also with enough size and stability that it won't implode every time there is the slightest problem? Thanks for reading this. I realize now this was way too long and boring for most, so I do appreciate anyone who had the stamina to read it all and respond.
atif09 THE THIRTEEN SAMURAI Dragons of Fire and Ice 5	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:12:00 - [2] - Quote Seems you've had a rocky stay in eve things always get better mate keep your head up

ISD Athechu ISD STAR 268	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:16:00 - [3] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: That is the situation, here are some questions: - I have been in a corp under wardec about 14 our of the last 20 weeks. Is that the norm? When I use the corp finder I see large highsec corps that manage to get wardecced only 2-3 times a year. - Is it always the policy in corps that if you undock during a wardec and lose a ship you are yelled at for "making things worse?" In other words is the logic that losing ships encourage extending the wardecs true and correct? This would imply that you sit in your station or not log into the game during the wardec. - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. - Is it possible to find high sec corps that really are about industry, mining, exploration, hauling and running missions? Who are not secretly yearning to be wannabe PvPers doing roams or having long term plans to "move to 0.0 someday". In other words full time carebears and proud of it? Just going to answer these one by one to the best of my abilities. 1) There is no "normal" war decs usually come for a few reasons, 1) Someone in your corporation annoyed someone 2) People were paid to war dec you 3) The corporation was marked as an "easy" target etc.... many reason why people go to war. The cost associated with war decs is also based on number of players in the target corporation. There for the larger corporations might not be war deced that often due to the size. 2) Wouldn't say it's "normal" but usually if you feed people kills they will want more and might want to keep the war dec going. Again everyone you meet will act differently. 3) This is a per-corp/alliance level. Corporations/Alliances don't need to ask for these but usually they do as for the reasons you mentioned. If you don't wish to give it to them then you don't have to it's entirely up to you and there are lots of corporations out there that might be that "strict". You can also view API logs to see how often people look at them. It's really a trust thing when it comes to APIs. The corporation is trusting you not to mess things up for the corporation and your trusting the corporation not to abuse your API. 4) It is possible but I couldn't tell you who they were since I don't know. I can tell you is to go to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 and check out various corporations/alliances and see what they have to offer. Or make a post there yourself saying "these are my requirements" and see what corporations approach you. Hope it helped a little let me know if you have any other questions! ISD Athechu Commander ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources) EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources

Derrick Miles EVENumbers 8379	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:21:00 - [4] - Quote Sounds like you've had horrible luck in finding a good corp in Eve. It's not normal for a corp to be under wardec for two thirds of the time, although it does happen as your old corp and a few others can attest to. It is fairly common for corps to discourage the loss of assets to an opponent in a wardec because it tends to encourage an extension of the wardec. Having said that, it is a bad CEO that yells and blames their members instead of constructively helping and teaching them for the next time. API monitoring seems to have become a fairly common practice but it isn't required by all corps. Personally, I wouldn't want to join a corp that felt the need to see everything about my character just to be a member. I would understand it if there was a promotion to a more prominent position with access to corp assets though. There are quite a lot of highsec corps that are all about industry. Many have mining ops and industry going but some do like to head out for some pvp to mix it up, so you might want to ask about that before applying to a corp. It sounds like you've just had a run of bad luck and encountered more than your fair share of terrible CEOs. Someone who rants and yells at their members isn't leading, they're dictating. I strongly recommend you ditch those corps and do a lot of research on your next one to try and find any hints of a situation like those you've had before. The in-game corporate recruitment panel isn't a complete way to get a feel for a corp though so you might try checking out the recruitment threads on the forum and joining a recruitment channel to chat with the corp members there before deciding whether or not to join the corp. Good luck.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 5464	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:35:00 - [5] - Quote some of your story sound vaguely familiar Trixi Audeles wrote: - I have been in a corp under wardec about 14 our of the last 20 weeks. Is that the norm? When I use the corp finder I see large highsec corps that manage to get wardecced only 2-3 times a year. for bears, no that's not normal to be consistently be at war. Quote: - Is it always the policy in corps that if you undock during a wardec and lose a ship you are yelled at for "making things worse?" In other words is the logic that losing ships encourage extending the wardecs true and correct? This would imply that you sit in your station or not log into the game during the wardec. no that's the hallmark of a crap corp, get out and find a new one Quote: - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. can you elaborate on this please? Quote: - Is it possible to find high sec corps that really are about industry, mining, exploration, hauling and running missions? Who are not secretly yearning to be wannabe PvPers doing roams or having long term plans to "move to 0.0 someday". In other words full time carebears and proud of it? yeah, plenty, Quote: I can't be alone is wanting to log in every night, join a TS channel, optionally join an incursion fleet or mission fleet, or just talk eve mechanics while I do my own thing. Sometimes coordinate on some industry, have a mining/beer night, talk ship fits, etc. Something fun and easy going? A corp with low drama but also with enough size and stability that it won't implode every time there is the slightest problem? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331341&find=unread =]I[=
L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 194	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:49:00 - [6] - Quote This is going to sound weird at first, hear me out Congratulations, you have managed to experience more content in this game in the months you've been playing than many high sec corp members get in the years they've been subbed. Also, the fact your still in there plugging away despite the laundry list of things wrong with your scenarios imply that you will have a long and rewarding experience in Eve. The solution to your problems are as others have mentioned already so nothing new fom me I'm afraid. Only thing I would recommend for your future game endeavors is to approach each challenge as a puzzle to solve, I.e. Enemies too far away and they hit you? Sensor damps and tracking disrupters tend to neuter that a bit. I just hope you see the silver lining in your predicament, your getting a firehouse of narrative, content, challenges and are building a list of things that would need to be better.
Trixi Audeles Into the Dark 0	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:51:00 - [7] - Quote Quote: Quote: Quote: - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. can you elaborate on this please? Sure... here are some situations that seem weird to me: Being told that they know I have enough ISK to build a certain PvP ship according to their published doctrines. Like I might want to only risk a T1 ship in an in-advised roam, but they want T2 ships. (This is in a nonPvP corp keep in mind) Having comments made on TS about what I have under research or am currently manufacturing, as if it was common knowledge Questioned about an innocent e-mail sent to an ex corp member Being "caught" running missions during a wardec because my journal shows bounties
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4607	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:53:00 - [8] - Quote Holy batman, what a wall of text, I see a bright forum future for you. Btw, 8 months, more then new enough as I've seen people with years of experience post here with questions (you can always be new to a certain type of gameplay in EVE. Character age doesn't say how "old" you are). It indeed sounds like a rocky start (and in a sense reminds me of my own start). First of all, NO single corp will be perfect. Whenever there is more then 1 person in a corp, there will be issues (some will be small and trivial, some will be large and have a major effect on your game). Also, running a corp in EVE can be very difficult, specially with certain types of corps under certain conditions (Being a CEO of a corp with mainly industry players that gets decced a lot is difficult. You can't change it, people do blame you for it, etc. etc.) However, some people also take the game way to serious and should step back and understand it's a game, and that anybody in EVE is playing that game for fun, which sometimes means they don't like your idea of having fun (some like to wardec others for *** and giggles, some don't like to fight etc.) === Answers: === A. It depends. Some corps go years without a wardec, some are perma decced. It's a matter of being in the right place at the right time. Also, most corps are wardecced because they make themselfs an easy target and stand out (by being rude in local, flying very expensive ships around, you name it and it can be a reason). B. No, only **** corps do that. I know plenty of corps that: - Don't mind if you go out during a war and lose a ship if it isn't a "stupid" loss (like go out mining with your Retriever when there are war targets in system etc.) If you lose a ship while trying to fight the enemy, a proper corp wouldn't yell at you. - They work together, create fleets and have an experienced person trying to lead and take on the enemy (with our without success). What does extend the war: * Feeding them unneeded and easy kills * Upset them more by raging at them (in local / on the forum / in corp chat They likely already have a spy in the corp). C. First of all, API checks on spies are NOT fool proof, you will only catch lazy and / or stupid spies. A proper spy will not be caught by any API check, issue is that most corps still think they can. And, yes, most corps do require at least a limited but usually a full API, be it to check for "spies" / suspicious behavior in the past / your alts / your skills - if you meet certain qualifications to fly fleet doctrine ships). D. Yes it's possible to find a "full carebear" corp. However keep in mind, that high-sec PvP players also can find them and that those corps are also the easiest and most often targeted. IMO The best corp would be a corp that carebears when they can, but don't mind getting their hands (and guns) dirty when the need arises. It will also filter out those that really want to be in the corp (those will stick through a war and pick up a frigate to fight back, if needed a bunch of frigates) and those who really just want to bear (and for those I suggest: Make a community channel in EVE but stay in NPC corps. You can fleet up with anybody in that channel and do stuff together and chat while not having the wardec risks). Being in a corp has certain benefits, but as usual also some downsides. === You are certainly not alone in that. But keep in mind (as explained in D.) that you really do not need a corp for that. You can also see if you can start / join a community of people that just hang out together and do stuff together while not strictly flying within the same corp. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4607	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:54:00 - [9] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Stuff Fixed the link to NC's guide for you Ralph Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 5466	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:58:00 - [10] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: Quote: Quote: - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. can you elaborate on this please? Sure... here are some situations that seem weird to me: Being told that they know I have enough ISK to build a certain PvP ship according to their published doctrines. Like I might want to only risk a T1 ship in an in-advised roam, but they want T2 ships. (This is in a nonPvP corp keep in mind) Having comments made on TS about what I have under research or am currently manufacturing, as if it was common knowledge Questioned about an innocent e-mail sent to an ex corp member Being "caught" running missions during a wardec because my journal shows bounties go to support page and kill that api NOW, Quote: Questioned about an innocent e-mail sent to an ex corp member Having comments made on TS about what I have under research or am currently manufacturing, ** these guys, api should be used to alleviate suspicion, not this^^ that's way to far in my book. =]I[=**
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4609	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:58:00 - [11] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: Quote: Quote: - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. can you elaborate on this please? Sure... here are some situations that seem weird to me: Being told that they know I have enough ISK to build a certain PvP ship according to their published doctrines. Like I might want to only risk a T1 ship in an in-advised roam, but they want T2 ships. (This is in a nonPvP corp keep in mind) Having comments made on TS about what I have under research or am currently manufacturing, as if it was common knowledge Questioned about an innocent e-mail sent to an ex corp member Being "caught" running missions during a wardec because my journal shows bounties That is far from normal and they are overly paranoid. What you could do...after the API check is just delete the API and tell them to stick it somewhere the sun never shines, it's non of their business what you are doing in EVE. To give you an example from my time in EVE: In the past one of the main Fleet Commanders in a null-sec alliance insisted that I had to train for ships "x" and "y" (keep in mind, I could already fly 3 other ships in the doctrine). My response was simple: Sure, I will do what ever you want, if you sent me a PLEX on every first day of the month. As soon as you pay for my account, you can decide how it's going to be used, not a minute before that. He quickly went quiet and I never heard anything from him anymore. Moral of the story: It is *your* game that *you* pay for. Play it in any way *you* see fit, not how someone else wants to play it. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Oracle of Machina Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 2	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:08:00 - [12] - Quote - I have been in a corp under wardec about 14 our of the last 20 weeks. Is that the norm? When I use the corp finder I see large highsec corps that manage to get wardecced only 2-3 times a year. For High-sec carebear corps? Not even remotely. Unless you're RvB, most wardecs only last a few days. Generally, they die out when the corp in question doesn't provide content. - Is it always the policy in corps that if you undock during a wardec and lose a ship you are yelled at for "making things worse?" In other words is the logic that losing ships encourage extending the wardecs true and correct? This would imply that you sit in your station or not log into the game during the wardec. Yeah, you shouldn't be trying to fight as a miner/industry. As a small corp focused on mining, you're not going to win if you undock and throw ships at the enemy. Unless its rookie ships for the fun, just don't try. However, merc corps don't much care either way, they're getting paid, so it matters a lot less in that situation. - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. Most low-sec/null-sec have high API requirements, yes. Many high-sec corps have at least some API checks, too. But it's usually just a check. I've never seen any CEO use API as a form of punishment or attempting to coerce pilots by hawkeyeing their skill training. That's a huge invasion of privacy, it's your character, not theirs. - Is it possible to find high sec corps that really are about industry, mining, exploration, hauling and running missions? Who are not secretly yearning to be wannabe PvPers doing roams or having long term plans to "move to 0.0 someday". In other words full time carebears and proud of it? Yes. There's a number of dedicated high-sec miners out there. Almost always, they are fairly small, laid back corps with maybe an orca they park and operate out of a single system or two. Check recruitment, both in game and on the forums. Trixi Audeles wrote: Sure... here are some situations that seem weird to me: Being told that they know I have enough ISK to build a certain PvP ship according to their published doctrines. Like I might want to only risk a T1 ship in an in-advised roam, but they want T2 ships. (This is in a nonPvP corp keep in mind) Having comments made on TS about what I have under research or am currently manufacturing, as if it was common knowledge Questioned about an innocent e-mail sent to an ex corp member Being "caught" running missions during a wardec because my journal shows bounties Cut ties, find a better corp. None of these are okay things... aside from maybe the first, if they are willing to SRP. When are mining carebear roams a thing? Also, make sure to delete all your APIs. All of them. Then start from scratch. It might be slightly inconvenient if you run EVEmon or something, but unless you're completely sure you haven't sent out your APIs, you could be leaving valuable information behind. Don't tell your CEO you're leaving, just leave and get as far away as possible. Maybe dock up in Jita or something for a week.
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 608	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:11:00 - [13] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: Being told that they know I have enough ISK to build a certain PvP ship according to their published doctrines. Like I might want to only risk a T1 ship in an in-advised roam, but they want T2 ships. (This is in a nonPvP corp keep in mind) This is a sign of very bad leadership. In fact it seems many of your problems stemmed from one angry guy in power. Finding a decent corp is a bit of a crap shoot but it's definitely worth it so I hope you can stick it out. There are many great corps out there that have the attitude you describe. Don't get too discouraged by the first couple tries. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com New player with questions? Just want to chat? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli
Trixi Audeles Into the Dark 0	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:13:00 - [14] - Quote Quote: IMO The best corp would be a corp that carebears when they can, but don't mind getting their hands (and guns) dirty when the need arises. It will also filter out those that really want to be in the corp (those will stick through a war and pick up a frigate to fight back, if needed a bunch of frigates) I agree with that. I have actually had a lot of fun in war fleets. But I have also seen it cross the line where the corp values the PvP so high you start to wonder what type of corp it is.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4610	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:16:00 - [15] - Quote Also to add about finding a pure mining / industry / mission corp. Those types of corps try to keep as low profile as they can get, why...because if they throw out in the open everywhere they are only miners, mission runners etc. they are painting a target on their own hulls... So they are around, they might be slightly harder to find. Don't be afraid to do a couple of missteps into corps that don't work out, we've all been there. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Deck Cadelanne Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts 48	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:18:00 - [16] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: I can't be alone is wanting to log in every night, join a TS channel, optionally join an incursion fleet or mission fleet, or just talk eve mechanics while I do my own thing. Sometimes coordinate on some industry, have a mining/beer night, talk ship fits, etc. Something fun and easy going? A corp with low drama but also with enough size and stability that it won't implode every time there is the slightest problem? You've had a rough go, sounds like you un-knowingly joined up with a bunch of wannabe space tyrants. Fear not! There are corporations and alliances out there that you may find are far more suitable for your preferred style of play. To avoid a wall of text or off-topic posting I have sent you a message with additional information. Good hunting!
Rammel Kas BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:22:00 - [17] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: IMO The best corp would be a corp that carebears when they can, but don't mind getting their hands (and guns) dirty when the need arises. It will also filter out those that really want to be in the corp (those will stick through a war and pick up a frigate to fight back, if needed a bunch of frigates) I agree with that. I have actually had a lot of fun in war fleets. But I have also seen it cross the line where the corp values the PvP so high you start to wonder what type of corp it is. This is pretty much what we do out in Null sec. Instead of mercs we deal with more cohesive and serious blocs like NC. CFC, RUS and PL. As a result the pilots have learnt to co-operate in defense. Much nicer environment.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 5466	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:25:00 - [18] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: IMO The best corp would be a corp that carebears when they can, but don't mind getting their hands (and guns) dirty when the need arises. It will also filter out those that really want to be in the corp (those will stick through a war and pick up a frigate to fight back, if needed a bunch of frigates) I agree with that. I have actually had a lot of fun in war fleets. But I have also seen it cross the line where the corp values the PvP so high you start to wonder what type of corp it is. yeah if i were in your position i would leave and id take everything that was not nailed to the floor(and even that if i had a crow bar) as reparations for having your api abused. (not playing devils advocate but running missions during war time is a baaaaaaaaaaad idea.) i don't think your problem is with pvp, i thing its with pvping with arseholes. =]I[=
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4614	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:28:00 - [19] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: IMO The best corp would be a corp that carebears when they can, but don't mind getting their hands (and guns) dirty when the need arises. It will also filter out those that really want to be in the corp (those will stick through a war and pick up a frigate to fight back, if needed a bunch of frigates) I agree with that. I have actually had a lot of fun in war fleets. But I have also seen it cross the line where the corp values the PvP so high you start to wonder what type of corp it is. yeah if i were in your position i would leave and id take everything that was not nailed to the floor(and even that if i had a crow bar) as reparations for having your api abused. (not playing devils advocate but running missions during war time is a baaaaaaaaaaad idea.) i don't think your problem is with pvp, i thing its with pvping with arseholes. Well, running missions during a war with war target online, in a PvE fitted ship and not having back up is a bad idea. I've ran missions in the past during a war, we just fleeted up with the corp and ran missions in PvP fitted ships. If a WT jumped us, good, we had a nice surprise for him in that case... Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 5468	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:31:00 - [20] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: IMO The best corp would be a corp that carebears when they can, but don't mind getting their hands (and guns) dirty when the need arises. It will also filter out those that really want to be in the corp (those will stick through a war and pick up a frigate to fight back, if needed a bunch of frigates) I agree with that. I have actually had a lot of fun in war fleets. But I have also seen it cross the line where the corp values the PvP so high you start to wonder what type of corp it is. yeah if i were in your position i would leave and id take everything that was not nailed to the floor(and even that if i had a crow bar) as reparations for having your api abused. (not playing devils advocate but running missions during war time is a baaaaaaaaaaad idea.) i don't think your problem is with pvp, i thing its with pvping with arseholes. Well, running missions during a war with war target online, in a PvE fitted ship and not having back up is a bad idea. I've ran missions in the past during a war, we just fleeted up with the corp and ran missions in PvP fitted ships. If a WT jumped us, good, we had a nice surprise for him in that case... actually yeah, thats a good point, ill clarify. running missions during war time is a baaaaaaaaaaad idea unless you have a trap set and you are the bait =]I[=
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 451	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:38:00 - [21] - Quote Emo people are useless. Kids tend to emo more than adults, but that's not a guarantee to be honest. Don't play EVE with emo's. Ever. Seriously; stay away from them. Let them die, rage and cry alone. About undocking during a wardec: I'm all for that. As long as you don't undock stuff you cant afford to lose. It's your ISK, not mine. Just don't die in a jumpfreighter. Or lose a bling bling missionrunnership. That's just stupid. It also depends on the killboard the corp has and how much it's valued. Some think it's important, others don't care. If they think it's important and its a good killboard, than messing it up is just plain rude. You will have an opinion about that too, so being in a corp sharing your view about killboards is smart. If you don't care, your CEO and other major influencers don't caring will be more enjoyable. And vice versa. If you find yourself in a corp that has a doctrine you cant or don't want to fly; leave. But in my opinion, a Celestis or even a T1 logi is fine for a 8 month character. To sum things up: You stuck in there, got to know EVE, accepted crap while you learned and became a proper player. Decide what you want to do with your EVE sessions and look for corps that claim to share your ideas on matters. And don't play with emo-people anymore okay? Welcome to EVE m8
Tiirz Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.10.03 17:10:00 - [22] - Quote Be thankful you learned more in those eight months than most people who are still clueless after years. Ditch the trash corp, find something suitable and consider taking those you like with you. The moment someone cries or makes absurd comments about monitoring your API it's time to move on, unless they have valid concerns to do so (access to significant assets, leadership roles and/or diplomatic reasons). Expecting new players to queue specific skills in a HS corp? What a joke. If you're in some random HS corp people have no business rifling through your wallet, mail or any other activities beyond the basic security checks, and if they try, it's in your best interest to tell them to go **** themselves.
Sacu Shi Shadows of Telara Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 42	Posted - 2014.10.03 22:16:00 - [23] - Quote Come join us in Null. See our recruitment thread in the recruitment section of the forum.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4618	Posted - 2014.10.04 01:29:00 - [24] - Quote Sacu Shi wrote: Come join us in Null. See our recruitment thread in the recruitment section of the forum. Oh not even trying to hide you are recruiti g. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1681	Posted - 2014.10.04 04:29:00 - [25] - Quote If I was going to write a list of the stereotypical, ineffective responses to having war declared on you that highsec corps typically do it would read almost exactly like the OP post. As a person who declares war on highsec corps as their primary form of gameplay I feel obligated to respond. 1. Any highsec based corporation or alliance that both has a large playerbase and is not capable of defending itself can expect to be at war a lot of the time simply because they are considered easy prey. If you're easy to kill you can expect people to kill you. 2. The policy of not undocking during wars is very widespread, however it doesn't really work because people undock anyway and because people increasingly often extend wars against people who don't undock for a week because they know those people are a non-threat and because they know the members will either start undocking or start quitting corp. 3. API checks upon recruitment are normal. Funnily though, they are rarely very thorough and constant monitoring of an API that includes market transactions and mail is absolutely not normal. 4. Full time carebear corporations that publicize themselves as such and have neither the means nor intent to defend themselves either don't last long or don't achieve significant membership levels because the second someone like me notices them they either get wardeced or awoxed. PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen. It looks like you got a really stellar example of a badly led highsec carebear corp with no idea how to respond to entirely normal non-consensual PVP situations in a way that provides content for the members of the corp. I personally don't understand the "let's all just hide" response, I certainly didn't start playing EVE to hide from people, I signed up to blow up spaceships. Planning and executing the defense of your corporation from an aggressor is a part of the game, it's fun and it provides the members of the corporation with real challenges to overcome which in turn create compelling experiences that bond a group together. The core group of people I play with now are the same people who I undocked with in T1 ships to go shoot the HACs and Strat cruisers of the people who had declared war on the highsec PVE corp we were in six years ago. A good corp is comprised of people who are willing to take whatever is happening in game and make it into an activity for the corp to participate in, not people who don't log in for a week or sit docked up in station the second something unexpected happens.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4619	Posted - 2014.10.04 06:52:00 - [26] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen. Quoting just to make it more clear. There is NO PvP free zone in EVE. The second you click that undock button, you agree that there is a chance PvP will happen, if you like it or not. Just because you don't want to PvP doesn't mean other people share that opinion, so it's better to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best every single time you play. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar
Deck Cadelanne Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts 48	Posted - 2014.10.04 09:41:00 - [27] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen. Quoting just to make it more clear. There is NO PvP free zone in EVE. The second you click that undock button, you agree that there is a chance PvP will happen, if you like it or not. Just because you don't want to PvP doesn't mean other people share that opinion, so it's better to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best every single time you play. There are also plenty of PvP oriented groups that also happen to do a lot of industry/missioning/whatever. Just saying! It doesn't have to be "all or nothing" when it comes to any aspect of EVE.
Trixi Audeles Into the Dark 0	Posted - 2014.10.04 11:34:00 - [28] - Quote First of all I appreciate all the great advice in this thread and it has given me a lot to think about. Regarding the "corps should fight back during a wardec" advice. The corps I have belonged to all believed this, and tried to do this. The rule was to not undock unless it is in a warfleet. Maybe I have been unlucky, or the enemies particularly skilled, but our killboards have been a sea of red. The only victory we had when suckering a wardec team to hit a bait miner ship. We hot dropped on them and got two ships. The wardeccers were so mad they basically camped out in the system for 2 weeks and the three times we assembled a group of ships, coordinated a response and undocked to fight them they killed us all. I remember another wardec when some guy named Genghis Kaun could kill anyone basically. His killboard is like 4,000 kills and 40 losses. In the face of expert, hard core superb PvPers with years of skill points and, more importantly, years of training, taking a group of high sec miners out in some PvP fit ships is basically handing ship kills to the deccers. I will agree its a lot more fun to go out and die in a fight than sit in a station, but I am not sure it is going to be a huge deterrent to a professional enemy who lives to do this very thing. So it sounds like what I need when I do my research is find a corp that meets my PvE needs but that also has a good track record of fighting back during wardecs? Should I look at their wars and see if they had some good kills against the deccers? That might be hard to find because I just checked a bunch and they either had 0/0 kills/killed (which I assume means they docked up) or lots of losses against them. Thanks all once again for taking so much time to respond and discuss
Deck Cadelanne Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts 48	Posted - 2014.10.04 12:14:00 - [29] - Quote Rammel Kas wrote: This is pretty much what we do out in Null sec. Instead of mercs we deal with more cohesive and serious blocs like NC. CFC, RUS and PL. As a result the pilots have learnt to co-operate in defense. Much nicer environment. There is a lot of truth to this. A lot of mining, missioning, industry, etc. takes place all the time in null even inside of PVP oriented corporations and alliances. OP, you have almost limitless options available to you. Try not to box yourself in with assumptions like "Oh, I have to be in hi-sec." Good hunting!
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4627	Posted - 2014.10.04 14:47:00 - [30] - Quote Deck Cadelanne wrote: J'Poll wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen. Quoting just to make it more clear. There is NO PvP free zone in EVE. The second you click that undock button, you agree that there is a chance PvP will happen, if you like it or not. Just because you don't want to PvP doesn't mean other people share that opinion, so it's better to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best every single time you play. There are also plenty of PvP oriented groups that also happen to do a lot of industry/missioning/whatever. Just saying! It doesn't have to be "all or nothing" when it comes to any aspect of EVE. Where did I say it's all or nothing. I just said that you are never completely safe and that people in the sandbox might have a different way of having fun that can conflict with your gameplay... Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4627	Posted - 2014.10.04 14:52:00 - [31] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: So it sounds like what I need when I do my research is find a corp that meets my PvE needs but that also has a good track record of fighting back during wardecs? Should I look at their wars and see if they had some good kills against the deccers? That might be hard to find because I just checked a bunch and they either had 0/0 kills/killed (which I assume means they docked up) or lots of losses against them. A. Forget about killboard stats. B. War reports show nothing really. A single loss can skew it one way while the rest of the war was going the other way. C. 0/0 reports can also mean no fights just happened (aggressor was just hoping on easy kills in for instance Jita / aggressor and defender had totally different timezones) but it can also mean that a fight did happen without losses (I was in a war in the past where we went out and fought some WT after they took our bait - in the end both fleet were matched and we weren't able to kill each other or get more back up to tilt the fight in our favor...so we disengaged). Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar
Deck Cadelanne Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts 50	Posted - 2014.10.04 15:06:00 - [32] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Where did I say it's all or nothing. I just said that you are never completely safe and that people in the sandbox might have a different way of having fun that can conflict with your gameplay... No offense intended. You said nothing of the sort! The OP's comments suggest maybe they have been thinking along the lines of "I need to find a highsec missioning/industry/etc. corp" when in fact there are a lot of corps that might be very good for the OP that are outside hisec and may have a totally different focus. Just encouraging thinking about lots of options, and hoping the OP has been given some useful suggestions in this thread (I think there have been plenty!)
Creamdream Unlimited Potential 6	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:25:00 - [33] - Quote What are you? You are acting like a subordinate of an army drill officer. Get a grip, leave that **** corps and never look back.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1689	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:53:00 - [34] - Quote It is also important to note that most CEOS and other people in positions of supposed authority in any given highsec corporation most likely didn't do anything whatsoever to earn that position and were appointed to it entirely arbitrarily. So when those people are saying dumb crap or making decisions that are causing your game experience to be unfun you should question it, preferably in front of your other corpmates. The purpose of leadership is to provide their players with fun, if they aren't failing to do that and you notice it is your responsibility to call their punk ass out.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 4208	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:19:00 - [35] - Quote There are lots of corps in EVE. This means there are lots of excellent corps, and lots of really bad corps. Whenever you find yourself in the latter, I recommend it is time to find another corp. How to find the corp that is right for you - Version 3.0 I'm biased, but consistent: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5023385#post5023385 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4843211#post4843211 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4356971#post4356971 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4959993#post4959993 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4091604#post4091604 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4598980#post4598980 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4870107#post4870107

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3405	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:40:00 - [36] - Quote Removed an off topic post. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Fret Thiesant The Imperial LansDrahd LOADED-DICE 52	Posted - 2014.10.05 14:24:00 - [37] - Quote Hi Sounds like you are doing great so far. Yes merc groups flying t3's can be....problematic to mining corps. Whether or not you could of fought back is determined by how many people were in your corp and what they were trained in. Your CEO sounds like a nutter, you need to move all your stuff some where else and than quick corp. I would suggest you may also want to recompense your time in that corp and being yelled at and spied upon by borrowing as many corp assets as you can once your stuff is moved out. I would also suggest that you need not only look at hisec corps as a carear industrialist. There are many Null and some Low Sec corps recruiting, Null itself is very safe depending on the corps you join and your understanding of mechanics. I wish you good luck sir.
Lady Areola Fappington 2277	Posted - 2014.10.05 15:12:00 - [38] - Quote Sounds like a grade A crap corp to be honest. It's that kind of stupidity that ends up poisoning newbies towards EVE. Drop em like a bad habit, and find something better. This is a game, there's no need to treat it like a job, as your CEO seems intent to do. If you're of a wicked mind, like me, take everything you can from the corp before you leave. There's also a wonderful gentleman named Cannibal Kane, you may be interested in contacting. Give him a link to this thread. He's quite good at "fixing" overblown CEOs. We don't call him "The End Boss of Highsec" for nuthin! Either way, good luck in your hunt for a future better corp. On second thought, don't quit the corp. Find a way to discreetly contact the guys wardeccing, and see if they wouldn't mind getting a "mole". Make some new friends that way, get revenge on twit CEO, and maybe even have a new corp to join up. Think EVE< Be devious! It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 5545	Posted - 2014.10.05 15:34:00 - [39] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: On second thought, don't quit the corp. Find a way to discreetly contact the guys wardeccing, and see if they wouldn't mind getting a "mole". Make some new friends that way, get revenge on twit CEO, and maybe even have a new corp to join up. Think EVE< Be devious! ill offer to contact the merks for you if you like, so nothing shows on the api (which you canceld right....RIGHT ) Or you could set up a trial and do so yourself. =]I[=
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1697	Posted - 2014.10.05 21:28:00 - [40] - Quote We have been known to pay newbies outlandish quantities of money to help us kill their bros.
Gumby Taron Blackwater USA Academy Violent Intent 2	Posted - 2014.10.07 20:27:00 - [41] - Quote As other's have said get far far faaaaaar away from this god awful corp and its leadership. Here's my advice. After 8 months you should have a half decent set of basic skills. Now join an established and able corp in lowsec or nullsec or WH with some reputation. Highsec corps with first timer CEO's are honestly the absolute worst part of this game. Get the hell out of highsec and you will enjoy this game ten fold.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 204	Posted - 2014.10.18 02:23:00 - [42] - Quote like others have said it sounds like the corp / CEO is a bad fit for you. I'd look around for something better. Random war decs on high sec corps are common yes but perma war decs are not. Find a group of people that you get along with and have fun playing with. Don't stick with a corp with a emo rage control freak of a CEO unless you like that kinda thing. One tip that I can give is that I've noticed that when ever my CEO would post in the recruitment forums we'd get war deced. I think a lot of high sec griefer corps search the forums for mission running and mining corps that don't seem to have any PvP skills. You might be better off talking to people in local chat rather than finding a corp that is advertising that it's looking for new members since that will often draw in griefer decs. That being said you still can find a good corp that is advertising but they'll have to stop advertising as some point and hopefully the war decs will stop shortly after that. Just make sure the CEO does not plan on permanently being in an active recruiting state.
Lan Wang The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 102	Posted - 2014.10.18 09:12:00 - [43] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: IMO The best corp would be a corp that carebears when they can, but don't mind getting their hands (and guns) dirty when the need arises. It will also filter out those that really want to be in the corp (those will stick through a war and pick up a frigate to fight back, if needed a bunch of frigates) I agree with that. I have actually had a lot of fun in war fleets. But I have also seen it cross the line where the corp values the PvP so high you start to wonder what type of corp it is. 99.9% of the time undocking a frigate to fight mercs is just another way to provide content for the mercs and remain an easy target in turn always remain wardecced, they dont want a fair and even fight they want easy targets EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie The Conference Elite CODE. 1084	Posted - 2014.10.19 11:38:00 - [44] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: Quote: Quote: Quote: - Do most corps have so many strict rules enforced through constant API monitoring? I understand the need to avoid a spy or corporate thief, but it is a little disconcerting when you get "in trouble" for something you could only know by inspecting your API. can you elaborate on this please? Sure... here are some situations that seem weird to me: Being told that they know I have enough ISK to build a certain PvP ship according to their published doctrines. Like I might want to only risk a T1 ship in an in-advised roam, but they want T2 ships. (This is in a nonPvP corp keep in mind) Having comments made on TS about what I have under research or am currently manufacturing, as if it was common knowledge Questioned about an innocent e-mail sent to an ex corp member Being "caught" running missions during a wardec because my journal shows bounties I'm one of the most vocal proponents of using API's to supplement corp security, but this is a massive invasion of privacy. Get out of this corp immediately. If they're asking that stuff, they're very probably very proficient with corp security, and I would be wondering if there is someone in the corp with some experience in the more nefarious sides of eve. I've never seen that situation before, and I would be very worried about other players taking advantage of your asset locations or market movements. Kill the API immediately, and get out of the corp. If you want, send me a mail in game, and I'll see if I can find someplace that fits your play style. It sounds like you've had a difficult start, but have the potential to stick it out in this game. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 1562	Posted - 2014.10.19 23:02:00 - [45] - Quote Trixi Audeles wrote: The CEO sent out an e-mail rant about how much he has sacrificed for the corp and we are ungrateful and we better all start logging in or else. It seems that in recent weeks (if not months) the CEO is always yelling at us for : - Not volunteering enough to run events - Being stupid and losing ships - Caring too much about personal wealth and not enough about the corporation wealth - Saying anything in local - Talking to anyone out of corp without a diplo - Having a skill queue that does not benefit the corp goals Wow what a complete waste of carbon. I'll get to that in a bit. Interesting read and kudos for sticking with Eve despite your hardships. You will go a long way. Trixi Audeles wrote: Is it always the policy in corps that if you undock during a wardec and lose a ship you are yelled at for "making things worse?" In other words is the logic that losing ships encourage extending the wardecs true and correct? This would imply that you sit in your station or not log into the game during the wardec. While the logic is correct (decs extended because of losses) I believe a corporation should hand you the knowledge, and if needed tools, to properly survive a wardec period with a minimum of losses. It basicly comes down to making sure newbies don't need to to to a trade hub for every little thing, explain how to fit for travel, etcetera. But to be yelled at, no, this is not the norm. This is the domain of emotionally unstable people. Trixi Audeles wrote: I can't be alone is wanting to log in every night, join a TS channel, optionally join an incursion fleet or mission fleet, or just talk eve mechanics while I do my own thing. Sometimes coordinate on some industry, have a mining/beer night, talk ship fits, etc. Something fun and easy going? A corp with low drama but also with enough size and stability that it won't implode every time there is the slightest problem? Find friends in lowsec mate. Go blow up ships and do lowsec stuff for money. You'll die a lot more in the beginning because of noobdom but most lowsec corp won't care. They'll check your lossmail and give you a few pointers. You have had some terrible luck with your CEO's as you'd have to lose over a bil being stupid to even make me flinch. Welp cruisers all day erryday I say, losses and failure are lessons and as long as you learn them while playing you make progress. You can flip the profitability of wardecs by operating in lowsec as none of the established "hisec merc" groups have the numbers or the audacity to operate there full force. Even Eve University is more dangerous then them. If you want proof of that statement, we had an offensive war against Uni that closed a little in their favour with more then 4b damages on both sides. A (defensive) war with Marmite just ended with 0 kills on both sides. Without further judging the activities of either we can deduct your CEO was not fighting the gravest threat hisec has to offer, and had no reason to take out his frustration on people by yelling at them. I really want to make a case that is is abnormal, and people doing this route should do well to leave Eve for what it is and take up a more relaxing hobby.
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 329	Posted - 2014.10.20 07:23:00 - [46] - Quote Frankly it sounds like your CEO has control issues and wants to keep everything under his control but it doesn't work that way, not in the long run at least. If I were you would do as others have said , get your stuff out, expire your API codes and leave the corp and find a better one.
Bastion Arzi Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi 134	Posted - 2014.10.20 10:40:00 - [47] - Quote you joined at an unfortunate time, stuff like this does happen though - a similar thing happened to me. That being said there are good, well established, organised corps/alliances out there that wont implode a few weeks after you join. good luck in finding one.
Velarra 324	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:55:00 - [48] - Quote Please kill your API and leave your corp. 'Grats on sticking through this rather unfortunate new player experience. Welcome to Eve. Updating this thread with regard to the final outcome of your issues here would be kinda cool too. o7
William Ruben The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 65	Posted - 2014.10.21 03:12:00 - [49] - Quote Baneken wrote: Frankly it sounds like your CEO has control issues and wants to keep everything under his control but it doesn't work that way, not in the long run at least. If I were you would do as others have said , get your stuff out, expire your API codes and leave the corp and find a better one. This. EVE is made by the people you play with.

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