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Silmas
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.10 17:56:00 -
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HI all,
Now that I have shocking topic, I hope I have your attention. Has anyone else noticed how "Ads by Google" gives links to ISK selling sites and other stuff that is against EULA?
How does EGSE officials comment on this, doesn't this kind of (yes, through Google ads, which you have no control over) advertizing put your company in very bad light?
Don't know if there is any other way but removing the Google ads, but I hope something will be done about it. It cannot be good having such adverts in your otherwise pretty awesome pages.
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Naphtalia
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:12:00 -
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Just like EVE-Radio!!! :)
http://www.eve-radio.com/
at the bottom
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Ma Talune
Minmatar
ISS Logistics
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:43:00 -
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there is a clear reason for this guys...Google adds are some of the best paying ads but even if eve-radio etc mails google for removal for the clearly "ilegal" content it takes long time before google can confirm and revome them..
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:55:00 -
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EGSE has ads? Never noticed, I use Adblock... 
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 Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Ferrosa
Gallente
Lyonesse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 19:25:00 -
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I thought these ads (out-of-game) were disturbing as well and told that to Aaro'ne allreadt couple of weeks ago... But he says, if enough people just click an ad now and then, he could host the site partly from those earnings, you don't actually have to visit those websites...
As for the (il)legality of those ads, I don't think Aaro'ne can decide what the Google bots put in his ad windows... They're just computers, how do they know what is legal or illegal... Mailing to google would be like putting a drup of lemon in a glass of gin ... You're still gonna be very very drunk!
Sincerely,
yours truly 
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.10 19:38:00 -
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Actually, you can fine tune the adverts that googld ads shows. The sites that care about Eve, make the effort to block ISK selling sites. The greedy ones don't.
I block all goodle ads, so I haven't noticed either.
But having those adverts on your site says alot about how much you care for the health of the game.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.10 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Actually, you can fine tune the adverts that googld ads shows. The sites that care about Eve, make the effort to block ISK selling sites. The greedy ones don't.
I block all goodle ads, so I haven't noticed either.
But having those adverts on your site says alot about how much you care for the health of the game.
I haven't used Google AdSense for a while, but when I used it you could only filter sites by address, not by category (isk seller).
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Ore Monkey
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.10 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
But having those adverts on your site says alot about how much you care for the health of the game.
God, it always annoys me when people say this. They're the ones (ESGE, eve-radio, etc) who care so much that they put up their own websites to help people play the game; not only do they work hard to keep the sites up, but they also pay a lot of money for 'em too.
And the fact is that they have little control over what's advertised on the site. I'm sure as soon as they block/dis-allow one isk seller from advertising on the site, another 5 will take its place. And come on, if people want to buy ISK they'll buy it. If they don't, they won't. I won't buy isk because I see an ad for it.
Just because it may offend your tender sensabilities that people buy isk, doesn't mean you should blast the people that create and maintain valuable websites for 'not caring about the health of the game.'
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EVILSATAN
Gallente
Scotland Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.10 21:51:00 -
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To be honest if someone is going to buy ISK for cash, then they will, regardless of advertising on a website.
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Barbicane
The Gun Club
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Posted - 2006.08.10 22:11:00 -
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This site: http://www.eve-pirate.com/ uses Google-ads but has a no isk-seller policy. It is apparently possible to avoid isk-sales ads if you want to.
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.10 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kitty O''Shay on 10/08/2006 22:24:32
ate my post, fixing.
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Ariu Devine
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.10 22:58:00 -
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Well, adsense ads can be fined tuned to remove certain type of ads, but the issue is that just as with spam, the advertisers themselves will change their ad to get it by filters.
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Funky Witherbean
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Posted - 2006.08.11 05:23:00 -
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It seems silly to get offended over this. You can already exchange real world currency for ISK legally by buying time cards and selling them. It's not like the ads are going to create new isk-buyers, at most they will direct them to another place, and as a side benefit for the rest of us, EGSE gets a few of their bills paid.
Let's not make mountains out of molehills.
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Aaro'ne Erviale
EVE Galactic Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2006.08.11 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Aaro''ne Erviale on 11/08/2006 07:00:02
Originally by: Silmas
HI all,
Now that I have shocking topic, I hope I have your attention. Has anyone else noticed how "Ads by Google" gives links to ISK selling sites and other stuff that is against EULA?
How does EGSE officials comment on this, doesn't this kind of (yes, through Google ads, which you have no control over) advertizing put your company in very bad light?
Don't know if there is any other way but removing the Google ads, but I hope something will be done about it. It cannot be good having such adverts in your otherwise pretty awesome pages.
Damn, my text was gone.
Well I've added some of the URLs (seems these adds mainly appear at the pages were the word ISK is shown) to the adsense filter. Will see if these stay away.
On a positive note: for every click to these links a Isk Buyer pays me $$$.
Sorry for those offended,
Greetz,
Aaro'ne Erviale
CEO of EVE Galactic Stock Exchange
Quote:
As a buyer and seller of shares this is the place i want to be.
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spurious signal
Caldari
Brainiacs
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Posted - 2006.08.11 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
EGSE has ads? Never noticed, I use Adblock...
Ditto.
Damn, agreeing with DS. *hangs head in shame*
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.11 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Funky Witherbean
It's not like the ads are going to create new isk-buyers
Perhaps not that many; but instead of going through the less evil legal GTC route, the buyers might try some of the sites.
GTC sales allow one evil thing; people can use their RL money to break the Achievement Hierarchy (which is needed for the game to remain challenging).
Allowing people to sell ISK has additional evil affect: it will lead to more people treating the game as work (with automatic tools) to generate ISK -> the game will be balanced to their style (by CCP or by free market) -> people trying normal / 'honest' ways to achieve same will suffer (profit from mining relatively low, some complexes camped all the time, etc).
Anyway, good to see EGSE trying to do something about the problem. Reckon the folks in eve-pirate.com might have some good advise how to do that well (like filter lists).
-Lasse
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Skarii TuThess
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.11 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Funky Witherbean
It seems silly to get offended over this. You can already exchange real world currency for ISK legally by buying time cards and selling them. It's not like the ads are going to create new isk-buyers, at most they will direct them to another place, and as a side benefit for the rest of us, EGSE gets a few of their bills paid.
Let's not make mountains out of molehills.
I agree that we should not be making mountains out of molehills, but I think the big difference between ISK buyers and Game Time Code buyers is not in the purchasing of ISK, but the selling of it. If people want to pay real money for ISK then I don't think it affects too many people, especially at those prices. The problem comes from the harvesting of ISK, through activities such as macro-mining,for sales. I think macro mining does affect the game quality of players.
Not sure how expensive EGSE's website is, but personally I would rather donate towards its upkeep (say if it had a paypal donation option) than see ISK-selling adverts.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
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Posted - 2006.08.11 16:12:00 -
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Last time i looked on EGSEx website, the google add displayed links to various stock exchange websites.
I actually found that quite refreshing from the usual isk adds. Haven't seen isk adds on EGSEx website... i guess i dont spend enough time looking for every possible isk selling advert i can find 
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.11 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
Originally by: Funky Witherbean
It's not like the ads are going to create new isk-buyers
Perhaps not that many; but instead of going through the less evil legal GTC route, the buyers might try some of the sites.
GTC sales allow one evil thing; people can use their RL money to break the Achievement Hierarchy (which is needed for the game to remain challenging).
Allowing people to sell ISK has additional evil affect: it will lead to more people treating the game as work (with automatic tools) to generate ISK -> the game will be balanced to their style (by CCP or by free market) -> people trying normal / 'honest' ways to achieve same will suffer (profit from mining relatively low, some complexes camped all the time, etc).
Anyway, good to see EGSE trying to do something about the problem. Reckon the folks in eve-pirate.com might have some good advise how to do that well (like filter lists).
-Lasse
CCP supports isk sales with GTCs. Buying isk from a website just saves the trouble of putting up the WTS thread. As for people macro-ing to make money... you can still make RL money without selling isk or any other in-game item. It's actually pathetically easy to come up with a way around CCPs rules.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Archo X
CCP supports isk sales with GTCs. Buying isk from a website just saves the trouble of putting up the WTS thread.
No, its different.
The main difference being that the money goes to CCP, rather than an ISK seller.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.08.11 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ma Talune
there is a clear reason for this guys...Google adds are some of the best paying ads but even if eve-radio etc mails google for removal for the clearly "ilegal" content it takes long time before google can confirm and revome them..
As far as i know, ISK selling sites are perfectly legal. This may vary from country to country, but i have not seen a single court decision that says otherwise. If you do have information, let me know. Personal opinion =! law.
Everything else in this thread is about "morals", something that doesnt really concern me ;)
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Barbicane
The Gun Club
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Posted - 2006.08.11 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Originally by: Ma Talune
there is a clear reason for this guys...Google adds are some of the best paying ads but even if eve-radio etc mails google for removal for the clearly "ilegal" content it takes long time before google can confirm and revome them..
As far as i know, ISK selling sites are perfectly legal. This may vary from country to country, but i have not seen a single court decision that says otherwise. If you do have information, let me know. Personal opinion =! law.
Everything else in this thread is about "morals", something that doesnt really concern me ;)
That last sentence is worrysome to me... because "morals" is the only thing we have to rely on when game mechanics are lacking to protect us from scammers and con artists. For me, morals and trust go hand in hand.
Sorry if you intended that statement as irony, Argenton. I did notice the ";)" but you never know how to interpret those symbols nowadays. I would be more careful with how I express myself.
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Skarii TuThess
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.12 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Originally by: Ma Talune
there is a clear reason for this guys...Google adds are some of the best paying ads but even if eve-radio etc mails google for removal for the clearly "ilegal" content it takes long time before google can confirm and revome them..
As far as i know, ISK selling sites are perfectly legal. This may vary from country to country, but i have not seen a single court decision that says otherwise. If you do have information, let me know. Personal opinion =! law.
Everything else in this thread is about "morals", something that doesnt really concern me ;)
I don't think anyone actually said it was illegal (i.e. you can go to prison for it), just that it goes against the EULA (which leads to account suspensions).
But regardless someone lodged a complaint against EGSE and they reacted to it in a positive and mature way. Just instills further confidence in them from my perspective. :)
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Whiskey Leech
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Posted - 2006.08.12 12:17:00 -
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Do google debit their customer (the advertiser) every time someone clicks on the ad? If so, we should all go click madly on the ads, but ofcourse never buy anyting, so all the ISK-seller go bankrupt from the huge bill google will send them... :)
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Barbicane
The Gun Club
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Posted - 2006.08.12 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Whiskey Leech
Do google debit their customer (the advertiser) every time someone clicks on the ad? If so, we should all go click madly on the ads, but ofcourse never buy anyting, so all the ISK-seller go bankrupt from the huge bill google will send them... :)
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Ferrosa
Gallente
Lyonesse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane
Originally by: Whiskey Leech
Do google debit their customer (the advertiser) every time someone clicks on the ad? If so, we should all go click madly on the ads, but ofcourse never buy anyting, so all the ISK-seller go bankrupt from the huge bill google will send them... :)
They probably just pay the google bills with stolen credit cards
Yeah basterds!
Official broker at the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange |
Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.08.12 13:40:00 -
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Dont buy ISK from shady sites! They also deal in drugs and support terrorism! (they also produce rap music and adult movies, but thats no longer considered bad)
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.13 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Originally by: Ma Talune
there is a clear reason for this guys...Google adds are some of the best paying ads but even if eve-radio etc mails google for removal for the clearly "ilegal" content it takes long time before google can confirm and revome them..
As far as i know, ISK selling sites are perfectly legal. This may vary from country to country, but i have not seen a single court decision that says otherwise. If you do have information, let me know. Personal opinion =! law.
Everything else in this thread is about "morals", something that doesnt really concern me ;)
If you can't see how isk buying/selling hurts the game as a whole I'd say you're rather ignorant.
I believe Ander of eve-pirate.com is working on a filter which can be implemented on all fansites using google ads to block out isk-selling ads. If I wanted those ads out of my eve-related site without removing google ads altogether, I'd contact him.
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Zhelavar
Gallente
CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2006.08.14 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
As far as i know, ISK selling sites are perfectly legal. This may vary from country to country, but i have not seen a single court decision that says otherwise. If you do have information, let me know. Personal opinion =! law.
Everything else in this thread is about "morals", something that doesnt really concern me ;)
An "illegal block" or "illegal use of hands" in football never resulted in a civil trial either. Obviously, no one in this thread is using the term in a different context than you are.
Also, your amorality may be of no concern to you, but it certainly of notable concern to those in the community you are in.
As for the ads, they can be filtered. EGSE seems to make reasonable efforts to make the ads as unobtrusive as possible, and I think that since they are a community-minded group that the presence of the filter was simply unknown to them.
Itmight even be possible to work the page so it doesn't generate the ISK ads. For example, the front page is all Stock Exchange ads. Whatever is different about the front page can probably be done in the other pages to prevent ISK Seller ads from showing.
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Ferrosa
Gallente
Lyonesse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:56:00 -
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Since Aaro'ne said that he blocked the isk-selling sites via the google-ad preferences page, I haven't seen 1 isk-selling ad on the site..
It seems it's always the foreign stock market sites ads that we get to see now..
So I hope this is the end of that discussion
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