Most L4s have an acceleration gate, which cannot transport Caps.



If you want to see that, you go to Low sec or 00 sec and join a capital fight first hand. There's no need to bring that to High sec and take yet another reason to leave High sec for Low sec and 00 sec away from the latter two.

They could restrict characters in NPC Corps from using capitals. Don-¦t know if this is possible for CCP

...an archon could carry 500b and would be unkillable...

Yeah so only player corp guys can use carriers, guess what, it takes whole 30 sec to leave corp and make a new one and even if you need to be in player corp for 7 days to use a carrier there are still a million carriers that will literally never die.

Carriers in highsec would be indestructible without weakness mechanics and that completely rapes the metagame and kills any fun to be had.

And what would these NPC corp owned carriers do?

OMG, they'd obviously do ~stuff~, d'uh!

And what would these NPC corp owned carriers do? They can't run missions, they suck as haulers, you can't mine with them, and only the utterly stupid would think to try and gank with one. Oh, you can remote rep with one, woohoo. Sure, you could send one alongside a freighter to make it essentially gank proof, or to rep your station camping fleet, but that's about it. As soon as an NPC corp carrier were to leave highsec, I'd give it 4 jumps max, on a good day, before it's swarmed and killed.

Now, I'm neither for nor against capital ships in highsec. However, if you're going to try and give a sermon about a topic, at least have some clue on the topic you're preaching about.

Hek no. Just make a BS version of triage (like bastion).

No to carriers and any other combat capable cap ship in high sec.

If some capital class ships get up to some hi-sec faggotry, I.e something requiring concord intervention, then let Concord bring their own capitals to the fight. Let CCP make dreadnaughts appear when carriers are stomping noobs.

Only on the condition that anyone can attack them at the cost of suspect flag on themselves and that they can get no remote assistance.

Otherwise we have a hauling ship that can't be killed by anything.

Before you say use dreads to gank them, it would require 5 dreads for a normal t2 tanked archon and it would cost about 15 bil.

Capital ships as they absolutely can't be allowed into highsec without penalties or it breaks every form of pvp and risk vs reward.

RL&DR: NO, CCP can't pull this off the right way.

I think Capitals in highsec would be a really bad idea.

Firstly, allowing people to stage capitals in high-sec, even just to jump into lowsec/0.0 with them, would be a detriment in my opinion. It makes capitals much harder to scout for, since you can just sit them in a Deep safe in some random populated highsec system which borders lowsec, where they would be invulnerable until dropped. Currently you need to base out of a non-kickout station, or have a tower present in system, which allows scouting to take place, gives meaningful objectives to shoot for rivals in the case of basing out of a tower and gives more opportunities for counter-drops to be setup, it also gives more meaning to the geography of lowsec. One of the things that I really like about this current proposal is that it makes scouting and interdiction much more valuable tools to prevent capitals from being used on you, this would go against that.

I think everyone can agree that the thought of Capitals/Supers on a low->highsec gate being able to de-aggro and jump into highsec would be horrible.

Even if they were banned from using any capital modules, It would be very hard to balance capitals in highsec, how do you stop someone from using a carrier as a super-orca moving ships around with 3 million EHP?

The only part that would make a carrier quite unbalanced in high sec is the possibility to Capital Remote Repair and Transfer Cap, that even without triage module remains quite significative.

On a dps / ehp point of view, people should consider that in case of high sec war any faction could field a carrier (or a dread by the matter), which is a ship that need to pass via stargate (see gatecamps) and require a certain subcap support.

While changes are scary to some people, this is just another chance of emergent gameplay.

make a module what disable the logistic/combat stuffs on the carrier/dread and if this module fitted then you can go to higsec and you can only dock out from higsec station when this module is fitted on the ship. how about this?

Why all this special stuff? Simply don't allow them in High sec. Easy, transparent and logical.

Thank you another voice of reason.

Their is a valid reason why combat capable cap ships have been banned from high sec and there is nothing going on or proposed that changes that.

Yes capitals in hi sec is not game breaking, I'm not getting why there are so many nay sayers on this. Capital fights exist everywhere except hi sec. There are rules and enforcement in hi sec via Concord. If a capital class escalation inadvertantly pops a civilian then Concord intervenes which may diminish a fleets desire to fight battles in hi sec. The regular rules of the road would apply.

Agreed. The only thing that would really change is that highsec POSes won't be as secure if you can put dreads on them, but alternately easier to repair when you can put triage reps on them.