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Skva Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:12:00 - [1] Hey, I've been using the ishtar for a while now, mostly for lv3's until I can get my standing high enough to do fours Anyway, I've been messing about in QuickFit and came up with an upgraded version of my current setup, and basicly, I just want to know if it's capable of tanking some/all lv4 missions? I have extremely little experience with level fours, so don't know if this will be adequate, over kill, or just not good enough, so a little advice would be appreciated. Highs: 3x 150mm Rail. II 2x Small 'Solace' Remote Rep (drones... ugh) Meds: 2x Large 'Peroxide' Cap Battery 3x Eutectic Cap Rechargers (I originally used tech 2s, but I can run the tank forever with just these, and the less cpu usage allows me to use 150s instead of 125s) Lows: 2x True Sansha Medium Rep 3x True Sansha Rat Specific Hardners (Less cpu than t2) I know for a fact Guristas won't be an issue, but wondering more about Angels, Serps, well, anything bar Guristas. Pros: Good, sustainable tank. Cons: Slow, no web. The no web shouldn't be an issue, light drones tend to own the mwd frigs. Not to sure on the lack of a 10mn ab though, I only usually use it on lv3s just to loot the cans quicker, but on level 4s maybe the extra speed would help vs. turret ships? Anyway, opinions please, what level 4s to avoid? Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:29:00 - [2] 3 x 150mm railguns 1 med nos 1 small nos 1 large peroxide 3 cap recharger II's 1 10mn AB named 2 med repper II's 3 active hardeners Prety sure i can run the full tank + AB non stop
Skva Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:37:00 - [3] How does it do against level 4 missions? Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Erik Pathfinder Caldari HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:41:00 - [4] The question isn't if you can survive, it's if you can do enough damage to take out the battleships. ---------------
Deitre Cibrus Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Erik Pathfinder The question isn't if you can survive, it's if you can do enough damage to take out the battleships. The drones do the same amount of damage as a dominix's. ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing?
Skva Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:46:00 - [6] [Racial Heavy Drone] II's usually do the job fine. Not as fast as a raven for example, but they do kill them. (In 0.0 anyway...) Survival would be my biggest concern. Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Erik Pathfinder Caldari HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:48:00 - [7] Yeah, I thought you mean the Ishkur, heh It's easy to forget which one is the AF/HAC ---------------
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 22:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Erik Pathfinder The question isn't if you can survive, it's if you can do enough damage to take out the battleships. The question is survival because all your firepower comes from the drones. I know my ishtar with its Ogre II's has no problem taking out prety much any BS. Oh and havent tried using my ishtar in lvl 4 missions i usually use it for 0.0 ratting which it rocks at. These days I usually fit a 20km warp disruptor and explosive + EM + adaptive hardeners so i can go chasing pirates if NPCing bores me.
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.10 23:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Erik Pathfinder The question isn't if you can survive, it's if you can do enough damage to take out the battleships. It will do the same damage as most dominix setups (since domis tend to use drone links, tractor beams, and nos in their high slots anyway). TNT Killboard
Zorthal Darendal Gallente Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2006.08.11 07:21:00 - [10] High - 3x T2 light neutrons, 2x E50 med nos Mid - T2 10mn AB, 4x cap rechargers Low - 2x T2 med arm rep, 3x rat specific active hardners 5x T2 Wasps 5x T2 Ogres 5x T2 Hobgoblins The blasters are for the frigs that web/scram u, which I take out first, then find the nearest BS/BC, orbit him at 1000m, and double NOS. I can tank 9 BS's on WC with that setup, and no frigs. Drones do the hard work, but yes it takes longer than big guns and missiles. To infinity... ...and back before lunch
Eisprinzessin	Posted - 2006.08.11 08:08:00 - [11] why do you suggest using nos on a mission setup?? i tryed it for level 4 missions and i never got a singel point of cap from any rat so nos ist kompletly useless for missions i would not use a remote repper in the fitting because the droes are to far away most of the time and if your drones are beeing atacked they normaly dont make it back in range before they get killed and if they make it back just scoop to drone bay and their schild is up again i do my missions in a dominix and after around 50level 4 missions have lost around 3 drones so if you have a look on your drones they normaly dont get atacked. if the spans in a missio are to close to each other i use sentry drones to avoid that my drones wake up the span next to their target
Lord Stanur	Posted - 2006.08.11 08:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Eisprinzessin why do you suggest using nos on a mission setup?? i tryed it for level 4 missions and i never got a singel point of cap from any rat so nos ist kompletly useless for missions You didn't truied really well then, your nose do actually take cap from npc, but they got limited cap so yes if you trierd on freg after 2 cycle or so no more cap from npc. The biggest problem i ranned through are big pop whit inty/bc. Its really deadly till they dont miss you.
Skva Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.11 09:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Zorthal Darendal High - 3x T2 light neutrons, 2x E50 med nos Mid - T2 10mn AB, 4x cap rechargers Low - 2x T2 med arm rep, 3x rat specific active hardners 5x T2 Wasps 5x T2 Ogres 5x T2 Hobgoblins The blasters are for the frigs that web/scram u, which I take out first, then find the nearest BS/BC, orbit him at 1000m, and double NOS. I can tank 9 BS's on WC with that setup, and no frigs. Drones do the hard work, but yes it takes longer than big guns and missiles. That looks a decent setup, if the T2 tank can handle so much then a TS tank should do slightly better. Only question then would be is if the lack of an afterburner would screw me over, with an AB running I'm thinking that BS would have a hard time hitting me, but I just cant seem to fit the AB and get a sustainable dual rep tank. :S Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Zorthal Darendal Gallente Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2006.08.11 09:51:00 - [14] If u get a juicy BS with lots of cap, then u can turn on the AB and one repper peramenantly. To infinity... ...and back before lunch
Miklas Laces The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.08.11 10:33:00 - [15] You have too much cap there, and you'll need an Ab... 3x 125mm II 1x Medium NOS 1x Small Tractor Beam 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x Large Peroxide Battery 3x Cap Recharger II 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 1x Explosive Hardener II 1x Energized Adaptive Membrane II 1x Internal Force Field Array 5x Ogre II 10x Hobgoblin II 5x Garde I 1x Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot Runs tank and ab forever
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.11 11:30:00 - [16] To perma run 2x med rep you need large battery and 3x t2 cap recharger and even that is so/so... usually cannot run ab when both reps are running. Most people like to have nosf on to get some more cap, which is good, but i suggest fitting also drone range mod, sometimes it is nice if you can be 80km away from targets... --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Lorette Gallente Grandma's WIth Guns	Posted - 2006.08.11 11:42:00 - [17] My sexeh setup 3x light neut II's, 2x med dim NOS 1x ABII, 4x CR's (might fit something else, cap regen is easily enough atm) 2x meditation reps (cosmos lewt and low grid req's) 3x hardners Lets just say i can tank WC with a single medium rep no probs at all.
The Knight Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.08.11 12:54:00 - [18] Edited by: The Knight on 11/08/2006 12:57:48 Well hello there old friend! I've been flying level 4's for a while now with my Ishtar down in Molden Heath where we live. I love it...but Angels are a pain in the arse. If I might make a suggestion about your setup? I would drop the remote drone repper and replace it with the drone augmentor. You will need to stay away from many of the angel spawns and send your drones down range to deal with frigs (webers and scramblers). Here is my setup: Highs: 3-150mm Tech II's (I use javelin and spike) 1-drone augmentor 1-tracotr beam Mids: 1 - faction 10MN AB (fits better and is faster) 1 - drone navigation (25mn increase to the speed of your drones, important when you are sending them down range) 3 - tech II Cap Rechargers Lows: 1 - 1600 mm rolled tungsten 1 - faction repper (true sansha or a cosmos version)- this will run forever. 1 - mission specific True Sansha hardener 2 - True Sansha EANM's (with armor comp skills to 4, these give 28% to each resist) Mordus, Serps, Drones(rogue), Guristas, and True Sanshas are all pretty easy NPC's, even on level 4 missions with this ship. The only bad thing about Serps is that they will stop shooting you and kill your expensive tech II drones, so watch for it. Zazzmataz is a damn nightmare. I try to kill Zor sometimes right off, and tank the "Seven" cruisers, other times I try to kill the cruisers and tank Zor. Either way..I'm warping out once or twice. Zor is a **er. Angel missions are hard for the Ishtar. Staying at range when able is the best way, but they seem to MWD right to you, even in deadspace missions. When I fly against Angels, I take 7 of each size explosive drones. Warrior II's, Valkyrie II's and Besrkers II's. Your first priority is to kill the frigs because if you don't they will tackle you and hold you down while the cruisers tear your ship apart. I fly into a mission and lock up every frig then unload the warriors on them. When they are all dead, recall the lights and use Beserkers to kill off everything else. I save the Valk II's for the Angle Marauders, which are Angel HAC's. Don't be dissapointed if you have to warp out of Angel missions, this ship is just one low slot shy of being able to tank fully an Angle spawn, but the Ishtar drone bonus along with good drone skills will tear apart Angel battleships and battlecruisers. Pirate Slaughter(10- level encounter mission) - very hard Vengeance - Multi level (Hobarek Moon - heavy EM damage guy) - very hard for the Ishtar because the first level pits you against a big cruiser/frig/BS spawn. Angel Extrav- the same, mutli ship spawn at close range. This mission seems to eat drones as well. Pirate Invasion- very easy, just manage your aggro wisely. The rest are easy if you play it smart. Silence the Informant - pretty easy for the Ishtar World Collide - not so easy Midst of Deadpace** - totally solo with the Ishtar, and a good source of cash.
Eirpje	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:43:00 - [19] What I use: High: 3x guns( I have 2x heavy electron II and 1x light neutron II), 1x S nos, 1x drone link I Med: 1x 10mn ab II, 2x cap recharger II, 1x L peroxide cap battery, 1x sensor booster II (or F-90) Low: 1x Corpum A-type repairer M, 1x t2 repairer M, 3x faction hardner (3 active against npc that only do em/thermal or kinetic/thermal, else 1x exp hardner and 2x faction EANM) Drones: 5x Hobgoblin II, 5x Hammerhead II, 7x Heavy drone II(choose after rat weakness), 5x Warden I Haven¦t tried this in AE lvl 4, but works against all other missions. WC lvl 4 is pretty easy. Just go into sniper range and take out the ceptors with the sentries. Should be able to tank everything with only the Corpum repairer. If you are webbed, you need to use the second repairer.
Miklas Laces The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:52:00 - [20] Originally by: LUKEC i suggest fitting also drone range mod, sometimes it is nice if you can be 80km away from targets... Ishtar already has 77km drone range, without link augmentors (with hac lvl4 and ew drone interf lvl4).
The Knight Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.08.11 14:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Miklas Laces Originally by: LUKEC i suggest fitting also drone range mod, sometimes it is nice if you can be 80km away from targets... Ishtar already has 77km drone range, without link augmentors (with hac lvl4 and ew drone interf lvl4). Wow...I didn't realize this! As many times as I've stared at the ship attributes and tried to calculate stuff in my head. Good tip, thanks. Also...I have some familly in Blackwater. Good organization.
Apollo Balthar Minmatar Apocalypse Enterprises	Posted - 2006.08.11 20:14:00 - [22] Correct me if I sound retarded as I don't fly gallente (yet). But wouldnt it be way easier to passive shieldtank the ishtar for all NPC bar the laser firing ones ? 5 medium slots and thos shield resists just beg for 3 large shield extenders(2?) in the mids, an AB and 1 whatever. 3 damage mods in low slots and 2 shield relays or something like that. Or use the remaining 2 lows for fitting mods so you can fit better guns. I don't know if it will work with the CPU amount though... This post represent my own, my Corporation's, my mother's and my father's, my mates' and the royal families'point of view. Now shut up and be happy!
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.11 21:35:00 - [23] Ive never tried it personally, but I dont think a passive shield tank on an ishtar would be sustainable long enough to kill everything. A shield tank with a gisti large booster or something might be I guess. Please visit our website here
Zorthal Darendal Gallente Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:33:00 - [24] Sorry but I have to ask, what the hell are EANM's ?? To infinity... ...and back before lunch
Skva Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:41:00 - [25] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane, kind of like a passive invulnrebility field for armor. Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Skva Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:48:00 - [26] Edited by: Skva on 12/08/2006 11:48:53 My computer crashed and I lost the quickfit fitting, but I think the final thing I came up with was: I don't remember the high slots, but I 'think' it was 3x Light Neutron II's, a Medium Diminishing Nos and a Small Dim nos. 1x 10mn AB II 1x Large Peroxide Cap Battery 3x True Sansha Cap Recharger (Almost the same price as T2, but they sound cooler, so meh) 2x Meditation Medium Armor Rep 3x True Sansha Hardners (Or 2 TS explosive and a EANMII for angels) With no nos can run one rep forever and two reps for a very long time. With a medium nos running can keep the two reps going. I think with the medium and small nos running I can get the both reps and the afterburner going forever, or atleast a long time. Seems like it should do pretty good, so thanks for all the help guys \o/ ...now just to find two meditation armor reps... Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
The Knight Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.08.12 15:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Skva Edited by: Skva on 12/08/2006 11:48:53 My computer crashed and I lost the quickfit fitting, but I think the final thing I came up with was: I don't remember the high slots, but I 'think' it was 3x Light Neutron II's, a Medium Diminishing Nos and a Small Dim nos. 1x 10mn AB II 1x Large Peroxide Cap Battery 3x True Sansha Cap Recharger (Almost the same price as T2, but they sound cooler, so meh) 2x Meditation Medium Armor Rep 3x True Sansha Hardners (Or 2 TS explosive and a EANMII for angels) With no nos can run one rep forever and two reps for a very long time. With a medium nos running can keep the two reps going. I think with the medium and small nos running I can get the both reps and the afterburner going forever, or atleast a long time. Seems like it should do pretty good, so thanks for all the help guys \o/ ...now just to find two meditation armor reps... Ok Mr. War Target Start your hunt for "Meditation" reppers in Gallente space...thats where the Cosmos agent drops them, and that is definately the repper you want for dual repping. To be honest though, you will only need to dual rep in Angel missions, the dual EANM (Sanshas) will give enough resists in everything else to tank the lesser NPC's.
Skva Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:22:00 - [28] Originally by: The Knight Originally by: Skva Edited by: Skva on 12/08/2006 11:48:53 My computer crashed and I lost the quickfit fitting, but I think the final thing I came up with was: I don't remember the high slots, but I 'think' it was 3x Light Neutron II's, a Medium Diminishing Nos and a Small Dim nos. 1x 10mn AB II 1x Large Peroxide Cap Battery 3x True Sansha Cap Recharger (Almost the same price as T2, but they sound cooler, so meh) 2x Meditation Medium Armor Rep 3x True Sansha Hardners (Or 2 TS explosive and a EANMII for angels) With no nos can run one rep forever and two reps for a very long time. With a medium nos running can keep the two reps going. I think with the medium and small nos running I can get the both reps and the afterburner going forever, or atleast a long time. Seems like it should do pretty good, so thanks for all the help guys \o/ ...now just to find two meditation armor reps... Ok Mr. War Target Start your hunt for "Meditation" reppers in Gallente space...thats where the Cosmos agent drops them, and that is definately the repper you want for dual repping. To be honest though, you will only need to dual rep in Angel missions, the dual EANM (Sanshas) will give enough resists in everything else to tank the lesser NPC's. /me just noticed he has been discussing his setups for the past day or so with a war target...hmm Anyway, is what you said true for missions like, Worlds Collide aswell? I've actually tried tanking that with a crappy tech 2 tank. MARII, SARII, 2x thermal t2 1x kinetic t2. With all that running just couldn't keep up with the damage. Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault

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