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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 11/08/2006 13:49:27
So what's the deal with them? I've been living in the deklein region now for about 10 months, and I've done my fair share of ratting. In that time, I think I've ever only gotten 3 dread spawns, maybe 4. Lots of people have their theories on how they come about; some insist you must chain your spawns, others say you only get them by warping to a fresh belt and getting lucky. I know some people who claim to get them several times a week, what do they know that I don't? Everyone's thoughts, hypotheses, and observations please 
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Khabok
HMX-1
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:46:00 -
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In my experience, the lower the "true" security status of a system, the more likely it is to get a rare spawn.
Khab
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Khabok
In my experience, the lower the "true" security status of a system, the more likely it is to get a rare spawn.
Khab
Lately, I've been ratting in -.9 to -1's, and I haven't really noticed a difference. In fact, there seems to be more infrequent spawns in the lower sec systems.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:53:00 -
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Welcome to Deklein ;)
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:56:00 -
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If your'e chaining those triple 1.5's, then you're not going to see squat for dread spawns. You need to cycle through all the belts and kill every single NPC in the system to increase your chances of one popping out.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:57:00 -
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Screw Gurista's, go serpentis. ECCM mods should NEVER be an integral part of a NPC fit :p
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 11/08/2006 14:03:23
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
If your'e chaining those triple 1.5's, then you're not going to see squat for dread spawns. You need to cycle through all the belts and kill every single NPC in the system to increase your chances of one popping out.
Well then explain the time that I was chaining 1.4s or something and I got a hauler spawn...or are they different from the other dread spawns? (It was a dread guristas carrier or 2, and dropped like 12mil trit)
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Hydraxian
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.11 14:47:00 -
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Well ive been ratting for about 8 months in Feythabolis, going all over and have had approx 6 Domination spawns during that time (and i spend ALOT of time ratting) none of them gave me anything that good (best ive got was a single Domination gyro).
On the other hand a Couple of mates of mine got a Dread Gurista spawn in a 0.5 system a few weeks ago.... it dropped a Halo (gamma i think) implant which they sold for 200mill 
I then went on a ***** tirade against them about the risk/reward principle of Eve.... they got better loot in a save 0.5 system than ive ever got in deepest 0.0... very fair eh
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Phaige
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Posted - 2006.08.11 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hydraxian
Well ive been ratting for about 8 months in Feythabolis, going all over and have had approx 6 Domination spawns during that time (and i spend ALOT of time ratting) none of them gave me anything that good (best ive got was a single Domination gyro).
On the other hand a Couple of mates of mine got a Dread Gurista spawn in a 0.5 system a few weeks ago.... it dropped a Halo (gamma i think) implant which they sold for 200mill
I then went on a ***** tirade against them about the risk/reward principle of Eve.... they got better loot in a save 0.5 system than ive ever got in deepest 0.0... very fair eh
I seem to run into Domination goons suprisingly offten. I'm a miner by trade and do very little ratting, but in the last month I've popped 3 at least in .4 and .5 systems. Only one implant from them but some nice named mods (from where I'm sitting, don't know how they stack against the rest of the game) soothed my irritation.
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Tsavong Lah
Caldari
Solar Storm
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.11 14:54:00 -
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i spent 6 hours ratting in a -.8 system yesterday, popping every spawn (not chaining) all the way from dt, and didn't get a domination. i find the best way is to just check as many belts as poss just after startup tbh.
what's worst is when you rat for ages, eventually getting a faction spawn, and then it doesn't drop anything (just tag/ammo 9/10 times on dominations lately, but at least the bounties are ok).
i've been ratting in 0.0 for about 9 months now, and get a domi spawn maybe once every 3 weeks. i have a friend who came down just a few months ago who got an officer that dropped tons of named stuff.
it's all random luck tbh.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tsavong Lah
it's all random luck tbh.
That's what it's starting to look like...
I bet the dev's are all laughing at us becuase we can't figure out the overtly simple algorithm which causes good stuff to spawn 
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.08.11 15:09:00 -
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One of our corp members had 6 True Sansha spawns in one day in a .5 system in domain. The true security of the system is .53 I believe. He ended up making over 120ml pulling in the biggest drop of the day, a T2 implant. I've ratted all day for a week in the same system and never had a drop other than Sansha's Radio S, one True Sansha Radio S, and a couple fleeting webifiers. He is like the ratting champion, always gets at least one "high value" spawn a day that drops something spectacular (no matter where he rats really). I tend to believe its pure luck, and my luck just plain ol' sucks.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
One of our corp members had 6 True Sansha spawns in one day in a .5 system in domain. The true security of the system is .53 I believe. He ended up making over 120ml pulling in the biggest drop of the day, a T2 implant. I've ratted all day for a week in the same system and never had a drop other than Sansha's Radio S, one True Sansha Radio S, and a couple fleeting webifiers. He is like the ratting champion, always gets at least one "high value" spawn a day that drops something spectacular (no matter where he rats really). I tend to believe its pure luck, and my luck just plain ol' sucks.
...Some people seem to get luckier than other though, and it appears I'm not the only one making that observation.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.08.11 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lobster Man
Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
One of our corp members had 6 True Sansha spawns in one day in a .5 system in domain. The true security of the system is .53 I believe. He ended up making over 120ml pulling in the biggest drop of the day, a T2 implant. I've ratted all day for a week in the same system and never had a drop other than Sansha's Radio S, one True Sansha Radio S, and a couple fleeting webifiers. He is like the ratting champion, always gets at least one "high value" spawn a day that drops something spectacular (no matter where he rats really). I tend to believe its pure luck, and my luck just plain ol' sucks.
...Some people seem to get luckier than other though, and it appears I'm not the only one making that observation.
yaya its totally true. I really do think it comes down to pure luck. The "True" security of that .5 he was ratting in is listed as a high .5 We went and ratted for a week in a low .5 (actually I think it was .46 or something) and it was no better. In fact it seemed worse.
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Talen Kross
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Posted - 2006.08.11 15:43:00 -
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Basically you have to kill a certain number of spawns, not sure if it is overall, certain amount of each, or just a particular type of spawn. Then you have to kill everything in system, and there is a chance a special spawn will spawn. It is what we do, usually if there are other corps in the system we just end up chainging seraphims, but if it is only our corp there we go for special spawns. I've gotten dominations twice in the last week, domination ammo, webber and AB.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.08.11 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: LUGAL MOP''N''GLO on 11/08/2006 15:55:29
Originally by: Talen Kross
Basically you have to kill a certain number of spawns, not sure if it is overall, certain amount of each, or just a particular type of spawn. Then you have to kill everything in system, and there is a chance a special spawn will spawn. It is what we do, usually if there are other corps in the system we just end up chainging seraphims, but if it is only our corp there we go for special spawns. I've gotten dominations twice in the last week, domination ammo, webber and AB.
Not necessarily true. I didn't play for 2 days, undocked and the first belt I hit had a TS in it. It dropped didly squad (like they always do for me) but it was still there. I don't think there is a method like you specify.
Its whatever works for you though. I'm just saying, I don't think there's a method that works better than another, because again... I think its pure luck.
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Talen Kross
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Posted - 2006.08.11 16:10:00 -
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Maybe other people were ratting in the system before you?
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.11 16:24:00 -
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There seems to be no exact pattern as i can see it.
While ratting in syndicate over the past month or so i have had 7 shadow serpantis spawns.
Most of them have dropped pure crap (em armour resistence boosters ftl...i have 4 shadow serpantis ones btw  ), but i've had 2 snake implants,one of them worth over a billion isk.
I have noticed a strange distribution of them, 4 of those Shadow Serpantis spawns all showed up in a singular system, which is bearly a -0.03.
My corp members, of course, have tried their luck in that system but found nothing. Funnily enough, 4 jumps away, a corp member has found multiple shadow spawns over just a week, but i have never found anything in that system.
It really does seem truly random.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 16:37:00 -
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Based on what all of you are saying, and testimonials from some of my corp/alliance mates, it seems like "true sec status" of a system doesn't really dictate the quality or frequency of the said spawns; and if anything, anecdotally at least, it seems that they may preference the higher-sec systems.
Although the only time I ever saw a 4x guristas conquistador spawn was in a -1.
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Sfynx
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:15:00 -
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One day I got one Dread Guristas and an Officer, and the day after that I got four DG spawns. Generating as many spawns as possible is the trick. That is doable after a downtime or server reboot after which the belts are emptied.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 11/08/2006 17:47:25
So basically, unless I'm chaining like a 3x usurper spawn to fatten out my wallet a bit, just kill everything, move on, then come back and check on the emptied belts later? (I assme it doesn't matter if I pick up my cans?)
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: LUGAL MOP''N''GLO on 11/08/2006 17:52:37
[fecitious]If you fly the n00b ship you get lots of dreads. Its totally dependent on what ship your flying.[/fecitious]
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Andargor theWise
Disbelievers of Fate
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Andargor theWise on 11/08/2006 17:54:14
Our corp was ratting in Syndicate as well, pretty much all in one system. We got a few Shadow Serpentis spawns, dropping hardeners and such.
However, as time went by, there were less and less of them. At one point we wouldn't even get BS spawns anymore...
Perhaps there's a quota system in place. Like asteroids, if you over-exploit a system, then it thins out. Until you leave it be for a while, and the nice spawns come back.
Perhaps the rats get scared of being pwned all the time. 
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Adoro
Caldari
Reunited
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:59:00 -
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Ive had nearly 15 dreads in 3 days...hell no I wont tell what system that was...  
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Andargor theWise
Disbelievers of Fate
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Posted - 2006.08.11 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Adoro
Ive had nearly 15 dreads in 3 days...hell no I wont tell what system that was...
You do realize people will use locator agents on you to find out? 
Actually, you could be devious, and lying, so people follow you around for no reason at all...
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Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.11 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/08/2006 18:46:50
Originally by: Lobster Man
Based on what all of you are saying, and testimonials from some of my corp/alliance mates, it seems like "true sec status" of a system doesn't really dictate the quality or frequency of the said spawns; and if anything, anecdotally at least, it seems that they may preference the higher-sec systems.
Although the only time I ever saw a 4x guristas conquistador spawn was in a -1.
It does make a difference. They're rare enough that it's not a huge one. NPC rat's home region? MUCH bigger difference. All IME of course...
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.08.11 18:59:00 -
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True sec status doesn't seem to make a difference for the named spawns, but the normal spawns are definatly better the lower you go. I do think there's a system to the spawns, it's not completely random... certain things affect the probability of a named spawn appearing. I haven't found out exactly what those things are, but I have noticed a few things that I'm not going to mention =P
And yes, the npc's home region does seem to give better chance of a named spawn. I've also noticed that almost every time I've found a named spawn it's been the first or second second belt immediatly after starting to rat. And that the better the normal spawns your getting are the higher the chance you'll find a named spawn soon (doesn't seem to be much higher mind you).
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Jex Jast
Perfect Order
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Posted - 2006.08.11 19:13:00 -
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There are a lot of dread spawns in Maila, unfortunately they only appear if you're flying haulers full of BPOs or T2 gear...
Still worth a try right guys?
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
It does make a difference. They're rare enough that it's not a huge one. NPC rat's home region? MUCH bigger difference. All IME of course...
So you think that a -1 will have better spawns than say a -.6?
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 20:11:00 -
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I have noticed the longer you stay in a system, the bigger the rats seem to get, although I never noticed an association with dread etc. spawns.
How long, on average, would you say you stay in one system before you get a dread, etc spawn?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.08.11 20:34:00 -
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Well, my buddy would go for about 6hrs straight just down the list of belts. Like I said before he had a 6 true sansha day, and on a normal day would get 2 or 3.
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.08.11 20:39:00 -
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This is just one of the MANY advantages of being able to play right after downtime.
CCP really needs to balance out downtime advantages for those of us with time zones and jobs which means we can't play at the magic reset of market/rats/plex hour. Its starting to really get annoying.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.11 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 11/08/2006 20:43:54
Originally by: Jaddor
This is just one of the MANY advantages of being able to play right after downtime.
CCP really needs to balance out downtime advantages for those of us with time zones and jobs which means we can't play at the magic reset of market/rats/plex hour. Its starting to really get annoying.
I REALLY agree with this statement. DT is 7-8am for me, which means I'm at work/sleeping 99.9% of the time the servers come back up. It would be very nice if CCP did something so that other players didn't have the unfair advantage during this time. Maybe something like a rolling downtime, which changes each week?
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2006.08.11 21:15:00 -
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it doesnt matter if you get em they are worthless most the times, ive gotten two dread battleships and a BC none of them droped **** other then the faction ammo and tags...no mods or anything. really does suck when you take one down and dont get a nice mod for the escrow. but we are getting a crazy amount of hauler spawns...i mean we got 80mil trit the other day....16k zydrine a couple days before that
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Abrah
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Posted - 2006.08.11 21:20:00 -
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I still think that faction spawns are mostly random , if so i just wish a dev would post and say so... so many theorys
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loony zoon
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Posted - 2006.08.11 22:13:00 -
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I've hit maybe 8 or 9 domination spawns, nice bounty, but crap loot. BS/BC, makes no odds, I get the spawns, but never the phatlewt  Domination shield hardeners have been my peak (no one wants them - even me).
From limited experience, i'd say it's random.
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Lord Boxxer
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Posted - 2006.08.11 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Boxxer on 11/08/2006 22:24:55
True sec doesn't have anything to do with the rare faction spawns at all (not sure about officers though), you can get them as well in empire as in deep .0 space. Only difference is that you'll get higher "types" of spawn the lower you go.
For example (these are NOT real numbers) you have a 0.1% chance on getting a faction spawn in a 0.6 sec system, and it'll problably be a T1 frig (so mostly frig sized loot). In -0.6 you have the same 0.1% chance of getting a faction spawn but there's the chance bigger it'll be a BC or BS which will drop useually better loot.
I did hear that cruising systems in .0 and dropping by all the belts (preferly somewhere quite) can give you multiple faction spawns a day. Chaining high end bs spawns can be good money bounty wise but it takes away the chance of getting new spawns and the real money is in the faction/officer mods, so you can debate on what's the best way of making money in the long run.
I'd like ppls opions on that btw.
Oh, I'm pretty sure this is the case atm, but don't take my word for it since only ccp has all the info :)
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Erik Pathfinder
Caldari
HelpCorp United
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Posted - 2006.08.12 00:02:00 -
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I was clearing belts before downtime last night in a 0.6 and had gone through all but the last 2 of about 18 or so belts. In that 2nd last belt I got a dread guristas kestrel that dropped guristas thorium s...
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Radamathadus
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Posted - 2006.08.12 10:21:00 -
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There seems to be a very low percentage chance of any belt spawn being a faction one, I estimate less than 1% and it is a random lottery (but one you can win).
They appear to be randomly generated when any player warps to a previously empty belt or a when a spawn occurs on a player already present in that belt. They certainly appear in high and low sec with the more valuable faction spawns mirroring the regular spawns found in those belts.
One friend of mine was mining a mission spawned omber belt in 0.8 which had regular belt rats spawning in it and a faction frig spawn made a brief appearance there which certainly supports the lottery theory. I myself have encountered faction spawns in consecutive belts on two occassions.
The only way I have found to increase the number of faction spawns is by killing every rat in every belt in the system. Thus ensuring that after a sweep and a short period of time (15 minutes minimum) each belt will have reset and have that small chance. This in its self does not increase the probability of a faction spawn in any given belt but will give you in essence more lottery tickets to win with.
Systems with a long list of belts are ideal (18+) as the cycle time is longer giving more chance of any spawn reappearing when you start your second fresh cycle. Effectively a mini downtime.
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.12 11:39:00 -
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there are ways to find them easier. for example, when i npc in venal i can usually find 2 dread guristas / night. at least 1.
the problem is not finding them as there are ways (which i wont tell you , tou can work it out for yourself) the problem is getting decent loot. i killed a 13 mill dread gurista usurper that dropped rubbish recently. that was disappointing. im guessing that 1/4 dreads drop decent loot.
they are random generally, but you can increase the chances of finding them.
in my experience the sec of system doenst matter that much.
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Nav'tsa kin
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Posted - 2006.08.12 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lobster Man
(It was a dread guristas carrier or 2, and dropped like 12mil trit)
I think your mistaking them for -V- Carriers mining tritanium.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
the problem is not finding them as there are ways (which i wont tell you , tou can work it out for yourself)
So there are ways to find them eh....?
And what about gates? I find spawns at gates quite often, should they be checked and cleared too?
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Zekk Pacus
Caldari
StateCorp
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:51:00 -
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It's a random chance. I believe it's something like 0.125% of unique spawns, don't know if it's each system, think it's done by region or constellation. Chaining spawns decreases your chance of rare spawns, but doesn't negate it entirely. I believe officers are 0.00125% of all spawns, or some inestimably small fraction along those lines.
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Panda Claw
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Posted - 2006.08.12 22:15:00 -
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if you want these spawns the easiest way is to get in fast frig fly from system to system scouting belts one always shows up sooner or later but it can be quite boring you also find hauler spawns this way.
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The Slayer
Caldari
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.13 00:33:00 -
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Its blind luck, as can be seen from my sig I once got VERY lucky with a spawn (3bil of loot is NICE) but in truth it was a corpmate who found the spawn, at the first belt he checked in the first system he went to after undocking that day.
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Lobster Man
VentureCorp
CORE.
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Posted - 2006.08.13 04:39:00 -
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Another, somewhat unrelated question. When I warp to a belt by right clicking and selecting it from the list, and then I get there and I see no roids, I assume it's a "hidden belt". Do I need to find the roids and then bookmark them and warp to that bookmark (where the roids actually are) next time in order to get rats to spawn at that point?
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