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maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.11 21:47:00 - [1] Right, I've failed to get any answer from the person himself, SalvorHardin (eve-mails unanswered, convos rejected), and the ingame-channel has proven to be little help for me so far. Story short; went to sell 10 EIBI-shares via the website. Buyorder up for 30 shares, broker SalvorHardin. I go ahead and finish the transaction via the website and transfer for the 10 shares to SalvorHardin. Sadly no logs whatsoever of a share-transfer can be supplied (CCP needs to work on this). Coming close to a week, nothing has happened. Mails has yielded no response, convos has either been rejected or just ignored (he was ofc. online when I tryed convoing him). This only concerns 10 EIBI-shares with a supposed sell-value of 260 million isk, and the loss itself is of no concern. However I personally find it problematic, if supposed trusted brokers pull of such stunts. ________________ The Priory Killboard
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.11 21:53:00 - [2] I have had dealings with Salvor over the last weeks (most recently within a week ago) usually without issues.. Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.11 21:54:00 - [3] Originally by: maGz supposed trusted brokers pull of such stunts. The model of EGSEX is based that as a client (buyer or seller) you should use brokers YOU trust.. the TRUSTED broker means that the clients trust him to handle shares.. EGSEX as an institution doesn't vouch for brokers. Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Viktor Beck	Posted - 2006.08.11 22:15:00 - [4] Dealed with him fine. Seems like a hiccup somewhere a long the line!
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.11 22:18:00 - [5] Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: maGz supposed trusted brokers pull of such stunts. The model of EGSEX is based that as a client (buyer or seller) you should use brokers YOU trust.. the TRUSTED broker means that the clients trust him to handle shares.. EGSEX as an institution doesn't vouch for brokers. Well surprising as it may sound I don't do dealings with brokers other than the occasional sell-/buy-orders via EGSEx, so how am I supposed to know which brokers to be trusted or not? I know that you do not approve brokers and as such cannot be held responsible. This thread is primarily meant as my last chance to actually get a response from SalvorHardin. ________________ The Priory Killboard
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.11 22:36:00 - [6] Originally by: maGz Well surprising as it may sound I don't do dealings with brokers other than the occasional sell-/buy-orders via EGSEx, so how am I supposed to know which brokers to be trusted or not? I know that you do not approve brokers and as such cannot be held responsible. This thread is primarily meant as my last chance to actually get a response from SalvorHardin. Well you shouldn't be sending isk to someone you don't trust or noone vouches for that you trust :) yeah fair ennough, just convo him or send him an evemail, he has always been helpful even though sometimes a bit slow. Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Ariu Devine	Posted - 2006.08.12 01:24:00 - [7] I've dealt with him as well in the past. My question is, why is it the #1 thing people pop before ever checking with others, seeing if the broker is on vaca or what not is 'So and so and EGSE is a scammer!!!!!OMFGWTF!!!!111'
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.12 01:55:00 - [8] If you read the OP he specifically states that he evemailed & tried convoing him while he was online to no avail. I don't have any info on the situation either way, but it seems people have missed that part of the post. :P For all your bookmark needs
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.08.12 05:26:00 - [9] Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: maGz supposed trusted brokers pull of such stunts. The model of EGSEX is based that as a client (buyer or seller) you should use brokers YOU trust.. the TRUSTED broker means that the clients trust him to handle shares.. EGSEX as an institution doesn't vouch for brokers. That's a crap excuse and you know it. The EGSEX is responsible for verifying its brokers and similarly has the responsibility to terminate people when they start scamming or wander off for weeks at a time. They're letting people get ****** over here, and trying to pass the buck. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Kristin Bergljot Minmatar Marcionite Trading and Reclamation	Posted - 2006.08.12 06:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Kristin Bergljot on 12/08/2006 06:33:13 Quote: EGSEX as an institution doesn't vouch for brokers. Then it's interesting that the EGSEx website lists the brokers as employees of EGSEx. See: http://eve.hubau.be/index.php?page=about&act=emp. An employer is at least partially responsible for at the actions of its employees.
Ferrosa Gallente Lyonesse Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: maGz supposed trusted brokers pull of such stunts. The model of EGSEX is based that as a client (buyer or seller) you should use brokers YOU trust.. the TRUSTED broker means that the clients trust him to handle shares.. EGSEX as an institution doesn't vouch for brokers. That's a crap excuse and you know it. The EGSEX is responsible for verifying its brokers and similarly has the responsibility to terminate people when they start scamming or wander off for weeks at a time. They're letting people get ****** over here, and trying to pass the buck. Come on people, let's take it easy... God, you guys love to jump to conclusions do you.. Maybe Salvor just didn't come online that often, and when he did, he might not had time to do the transactions for the website. I know they're supposed to do them within 24 hours, but come on... Some people still have a life and some things just might be more important at some given point. I'm sorry that you have to wait so long to get a response Magz, but those are things that can happen. When I was on holiday in July for 2 weeks, people couldnt stop yelling scam this and scam that... I think I received over 50 hatemails from people that called me a lyin' sob Take a chill pill and all will be well Selling drones at Lyonesse Inc.
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Ferrosa Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: EMFi Manager Originally by: maGz supposed trusted brokers pull of such stunts. The model of EGSEX is based that as a client (buyer or seller) you should use brokers YOU trust.. the TRUSTED broker means that the clients trust him to handle shares.. EGSEX as an institution doesn't vouch for brokers. That's a crap excuse and you know it. The EGSEX is responsible for verifying its brokers and similarly has the responsibility to terminate people when they start scamming or wander off for weeks at a time. They're letting people get ****** over here, and trying to pass the buck. Come on people, let's take it easy... God, you guys love to jump to conclusions do you.. Maybe Salvor just didn't come online that often, and when he did, he might not had time to do the transactions for the website. I know they're supposed to do them within 24 hours, but come on... Some people still have a life and some things just might be more important at some given point. I'm sorry that you have to wait so long to get a response Magz, but those are things that can happen. When I was on holiday in July for 2 weeks, people couldnt stop yelling scam this and scam that... I think I received over 50 hatemails from people that called me a lyin' sob Take a chill pill and all will be well If he was on vacation or the like I would not have a problem. However problem is I've seen him online on several occasions and every single try to get into contact with him has been to no avail. Should the case be that he is actually on holiday and a friend is just logging to change skills for him, then fine. However if he is on holiday, no active buy-/sell-orders should have him as broker to avoid problems like this... ________________ The Priory Killboard
Thecle Vifargent Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:50:00 - [13] I had no problem buying some share from him yesterday, he sent me mine when he logged on. Now the problem is the share itself, we are talking about EIBI, and the last thing people would do nowaday is buying them ______________________________________________________
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.12 10:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Thecle Vifargent I had no problem buying some share from him yesterday, he sent me mine when he logged on. Now the problem is the share itself, we are talking about EIBI, and the last thing people would do nowaday is buying them Sounds like Magz is getting the short end here. I doesn't matter what the stock is. If it's a valid buy order, the isk was sent to the broker, who waits for someone to send shares, then he completes the transaction. So where's the malfunction? I would say that based on the reports of SalvorHardin's activity, he's avoiding magz. I find it strange that a broker would ignore someone, and miss the chance for a commission. My guess that the most probable answer is either: - The order was listed on the website, but the isk was never transfered, and the transaction can't be completed. - There is some sort of bookkeeping problem, and that's causing the order to be delayed. Either way, human nature being what it is, it's easier to igore it, than to step up and say there's problems. I hope you do get your isk magz. -- [THARS] is recruiting 1 ebil pirate. Be the one!
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.12 14:42:00 - [15] I received some shares that I had on a buy order with him a few days back, if this is a one-off event I would wager that something has gone amiss and it's easier to ignore the problem for now. I'm sure he isn't a scammer as he's been quite a respectable fellow in the past. My Guides
Ferrosa Gallente Lyonesse Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:03:00 - [16] One more question: "Did you click the 'finish' button on the last page of the transaction?" A LOT of people have allready been complaining that their transaction wasn't processed although they had sent the isk / shares to their respective broker. If you want to be sure that your transaction was filed properly in the database, you should be able to see that the open EIBI order should now list 10 shares less than before you filed the transaction, since those 10 shares that you want to buy, will be locked, so others can't buy it as well.. If they are still there, make a new order, and don't send any more shares. Just a suggestion, don't know if that is the solution. Sincerely, Ferrosa Official broker at the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange
SalvorHardin	Posted - 2006.08.12 19:54:00 - [17] Ok i will try to answer to everybody 1st I am not in holliday i just have some internet problem. I am playing now with a 56K modem, but i am online everyday just to make my transaction on EGSE. I am sorry for those who tried to contact me, maybe i was afk . 2. For your case Magz , i dont really understand. I never had any order from you. I never receivd shares from you. So i donÆt really know what answer to you. You think i am a scammer? I work for 3 month besure i never stole any ISK (and be sure that Billion transfered by my wallet) So i donÆt know what to do with you. I am sure you are honnest, but i am to and i cant complete/cancel order who dont exist. So dont blame EGSE. If in this story everybody is honnest their should be something wrong in the differents manipulations.maybe we should talk about this ingame but after the 17th when my DSL will return
Death Mate	Posted - 2006.08.13 01:29:00 - [18] Grow up, kid. You better be sure before you start calling someone out.

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