You want to run lvl 5s do it out of HS

Hisec islands already have a purpose, this doesn't add any content to it... Simply just gives us another isk faucet.

The problem is that low-sec already has few reasons to PVE in. This would just further increase that.

L5s themselves should stay out of high though IMO. They should be offered in more systems, and low should also have a full distribution of ores like null.

You sound like someone who would like to shoot PvE mission runners. Granted it's subtle, so I'll spell out how this actually makes your life better.

This suggestion would change the process of earning level 4/incursion-style income to have MORE RISK than it currently does.

With a paired nerf to level 4/incursion income, players earning ISK through PvE activity would want to run these level 5's in highsec islands to maintain income levels. This is something they'll actually do, as they are not risk averse in the general sense, they are simply risk averse while flying blingy PvE ships in the middle of missions. Putting them in high sec islands means the actual PvE activity remains a soloable, low-attention affair, just like it is now.

HOWEVER, logistics and supplies are now at significantly increased risk. That's OK; PvE players are more than happy to outsource their risky transportation/logistics to other groups and/or do it themselves in separate ships at separate times when they are in different moods.

The net-effect of this change would be to put the high-income PvE players at MORE RISK of losing their stuff while trying to move it to/from market. You will have more juicy targets to shoot in the pipes.

The mistake in just about any other approach is thinking that 1) mission runners will EVER respond to any incentive to run missions in anything but soloable, low-attention, high-sec safety (they won't) while 2) conflating their risk averseness during mission content with a generic unwillingness to put anything at risk ever, which isn't true.

High-sec islands provide the perfect mechanism to add risk in a way acceptable to most mission runners because it leaves the core mission activity itself unchanged and no more risky than now (and in particular soloable and low attention), while still adding risk at a separate stage of the process to justify the income levels.

Yeah, honestly this suggestion isn't about L5's specifically. I don't care what the content is called; nerf incursion income, buff L4 income a bit, and move L4's exclusively to high-sec islands while leaving L5's where they are. Sure, whatever. The basic point is simply that putting the most lucrative high-sec PvE content in high-sec islands exclusively is something that will actually resonate and fly with mission runners while adding some risk to help justify the income levels.

And in general PvE whether its L4s or incursions could use a nice Isk buff to make it more attractive and draw more people in.

High-sec mission runners will never run missions in low-sec. Not ever. No amount of incentive not bordering on ridiculous will ever change that.

This will not add risk moving through the LS to the island since that will mostly just be done in T2 trans ports like it currently is for anyone who has spent time in an island.

If you wanna run Lv 5 mssion got to lowsec.

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Then they don't get to do low sec content and get the reward.

They already get the reward; it's called running level 4's/incursions in perfect safety with essentially no risk. So you are saying that you are on record as being perfectly fine with the current zero-risk PvE high-sec ISK fountain? Good to know.

I'm not sure if this is a proposal for limited high-sec L5s, relocating L4s out of high-sec or nerfing incursionsGǪ It would be nice to have a discussion and simply leave Incursions out of the equation for once. L5s in high-sec "islands" would be an interesting idea, although the LP reward would probably be 1/2 or less than that available from a typical low-sec system and typically less than most Faction Warfare missions - so the idea has some merit. Whether or not there is enough risk vs. reward to trek across low-sec remains to be seen...

There certainly is risk....incursion ships blow up to rats....mission ships blow up to rats.....people get suicide ganked.

Forcing everyone to go relocate to miserable islands because you hope a few people will be stupid enough to die on the way there is ridiculous. I mean I guess I would understand if you wanted to remove all L3 and L4 missions and mining from highsec to force everyone into low/null. I mean I would oppose it, but at least it is a logical idea. But to waste everyone's time and make them relocate to islands for literally no benefit? You must be kidding.

They already get the reward; it's called running level 4's/incursions in perfect safety with essentially no risk. So you are saying that you are on record as being perfectly fine with the current zero-risk PvE high-sec ISK fountain? Good to know.

So not to take any sides. But lvl5s are actually not a ISK faucet but a sink. This is due to them having insane LP rewards, which the LP store is a sink.

IF you were to nerf LP rewards for lvl5s in highsec and reduce the bounties. These would be great group content for those who don't want to do lvl4s. You would not be able to blitz LVL5s with carriers in high sec so they would be naturally harder.

There certainly is risk....incursion ships blow up to rats....mission ships blow up to rats.....people get suicide ganked.

I have been pushing to improve reward outside of high sec for years, putting level 5s into high sec does not help matters.

As I mentioned, not really about L5's (I know, that's my bad; I should never have mentioned them). It's about a method of adding risk to existing high-sec PvE content in a way that would actually be palatable to the people consuming that content.

That's very different than improving rewards outside of high-sec -- we all know improving rewards outside of high-sec will do nothing to draw mission runners out of high-sec. That would just put the game back in a balance where low- and null-dwellers don't have to run high-sec L4/incursion alts just to access some of the most lucrative solo/simple ISK-making activities in the game.

Improving income outside of high sec is not to try to drag out the spineless mission running bears. Its to give people like me a reason to earn my isk in null rather than high sec.

Yes, the economic semantics are not relevant here. The basic gist is : move the most lucrative high-sec PvE content from contiguous to island high-sec. Leave all else unchanged. I wish I hadn't even mentioned L5s at this point honestly, it's just confusing the important point for people :)

The fact that LP stores are sinks rather than faucets, etc. are also not important details to the impact this would have. I'm using faucet in the non-technical and EVE-colloquial sense of "repeatable/farmable content that allows a person to earn a ton of ISK", not in the technically correct "activity that generates new ISK out of server code" sense.

Just for your interest, Goins last week where run by over 100 Incursion pilots, every day had 3-4 VG fleets, 0-1 AS fleet and almost always a HQ fleet up by the channels Helix, DIN, The Vanguard Project, IIC pub, D-Inc, TDF and OIC and the fleets out there where nearly 100% pirate BS or Marauder(only exception was TDF bouncing back and forth every day, that only did use a few BS and mostly T3s).

I have been pushing to improve reward outside of high sec for years, putting level 5s into high sec does not help matters.