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Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
25
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:19:00 -
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Friends, fellow capsuleers. I am likely unknown to you.
I am a former instructor with EVE University and currently I am one of those who chooses to live in what has become known as "Wormhole Space".
I am also a participant and researcher with the Arek;Jaalan intiative.
Recently, each of the four empires has released statements that they are interested in certain components of Sleeper technology. Rest assured, these missives are part of the empires' own agendas. They have discovered something and they want you to deliver it fully into their hands. There are rewards to such patriotism, of course, and among these is a continuation of the empires' legacy: constant bloodshed and war.
Arek'Jaalan inspired in many of us the spirit of pure research, unfettered by nationalism and strategic goals. Whatever the empires are after, I believe - as I hope you come to believe - the truth belongs to all, and should be arrived at by all, free of the trappings of Us vs. Them.
I am, therefore, offering a fifth alternative.
I am seeking donations of the same items as the empires, with the intent that we assemble a single collection that vastly outstrips those gathered by the four empires. We, as capsuleers, can speak with our actions. Indeed, we have been asked to do so, but I say we should say unto these empires: Enough of your bickering.
I will accept these items on the same terms as the empires' agents: Item Exchange Contract to Guillome Renard. Originating station does not matter, though I would consider it a kindness if you could at least get these items to low-security space. Unlike the empires, I will be tracking all donations and will be acknowledging all contributions, no matter how small.
There are risks, and no doubt there will be a flurry of people decrying me as just one more scammer. Nothing I say can convince those who believe such things otherwise. If you believe me to be a scammer, do not donate. It's that simple.
In the event that we fail, donors will be compensated for their donations as the entire collection will be liquidated. Contracts created after October 14th will be rejected.
(OOC Follows)
Fellow players of EVE:
Once upon a time, there was a dialogue between players and devs called Arek'Jaalan. It was a way for players to take actions to steer revelations of the game's lore. You may not care about the lore, but you have to admit that this is kind of unprecedented, and awesome.
Then the staffer in charge was pulled from the project and it languished. AJ got me to resubscribe. It rekindled my interest in EVE; it was mission-like PvE content but it was unique and each project had the feel of something never before done. Consider this another (possibly vain) attempt to send a message to CCP.
I intend to amass the largest collection of the two blue-loot items sought by CCP as a statement: We want control of the lore back.
If we are successful, CCP can view this as an opportunity to re-engage in the dialogue with the players. The lore they're releasing can be altered to reflect our actions. CCP devs keep talking about how they love it when players do something unexpected? Let's do something they probably don't expect. This was foretold in their own chronicle (Anoikis, towards the end), that capsuleers would come to live in wormhole space, learn it's secrets, master the network, and eventually discover something there.
Let's start that journey.
One or two of four things will happen here:
(Most Likely) We fail: We don't get enough blue loot. In this instance I will take the blue loot to market(s) and sell it off, then send the ISK to the donors in proportion to their donation (EVE Online: Spreadsheets Are Magic). I'll still make note of who donated and make that public unless you comment in your contract that you'd rather be anonymous.
(Probably) We succeed, and CCP ignores us: They decide that because we didn't do it their way, we didn't do anything worth noting, someone else gets the credit, and I'm left with a massive pile of blue loot. IMO, shame on CCP for missing the opportunity but given recent trends this seems likely. Outcome is same as above: I sell the loot, send ISK back to the donors, and note the donors.
(Maybe) We succeed, and CCP steers the lore our way: We win, the tech comes out by some other means, and I make sure that donors get credit where it's due. The blue loot likely goes poof.
(And juuust maybe...) AJ gets revived: Long shot, they could've brought AJ back by now on their own, but perhaps this demonstration of player interest means we can get some attention to the player/dev interaction as a space for steering lore.
There are risks. You run the risk that I run off with your blue loot, and it will take me a lot more time to process donations than it would take CCP. My goal is to have everything about this concluded by the end of the month, either way.
Future Corps has an 'all ransoms honored' policy. I am considering any agreements pertaining to this stuff to be sacrosanct but you really only have my word. I will not be offended if you decide this is a scam, but please, let's keep the thread clear for serious discussion.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Kanzero
Highway To Eternity
CAStabouts
2
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:31:00 -
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Literally wat. |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
27
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:46:00 -
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Kanzero wrote:Literally wat.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/anomalous-materials/
Edited to add more context.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
366
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Posted - 2014.10.07 16:41:00 -
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As someone who only learned of Arek'Jalaan after it faltered, and was extremely interested int what it had to offer the game, I wish you luck in this endeavor. |
Des Jardin
Aperture Harmonics
No Holes Barred
24
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Posted - 2014.10.07 17:44:00 -
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As someone who still has an open Arek'Jalaan channel, I am interested and support this effort.
"Good against remotes is one thing.-á Good against the living ... that's something else." |
Seelen Jager
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
19
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:00:00 -
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It would be really quite impressive if we can pull this off. You have my loot! |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1575
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:05:00 -
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A'J isn't getting reopened from what they said as they don't have any of the notes, though they may pick up a few things to run from it at some point, they left that possibility open. That said, since A'J being re-opened is the last & least objective, sounds a good attempt.
Of course, I do have one question. Given technically IC the Empires have trillions of people supporting them, how is this meant to be an effective research effort if we keep it all to ourselves? Since we only have ourselves and a few teams we hire, not 10,000 worlds of people all supporting us. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
917
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:06:00 -
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I support what you want to do, so I added you as the 5th official contact on the list of representatives in my news-article about this event: Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research!
Lets hope we can pull it off!
Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research!
-áA selection of upcoming events in the Eden cluster -á |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
34
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:10:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:A'J isn't getting reopened from what they said as they don't have any of the notes, though they may pick up a few things to run from it at some point, they left that possibility open. That said, since A'J being re-opened is the last & least objective, sounds a good attempt.
Of course, I do have one question. Given technically IC the Empires have trillions of people supporting them, how is this meant to be an effective research effort if we keep it all to ourselves? Since we only have ourselves and a few teams we hire, not 10,000 worlds of people all supporting us.
The A'J of old, no. But A'J represented something novel, and worthwhile in online gaming and ICly.
You raise a fair point that the empires have vastly more resources, but by gathering a large repository of libraries and databases, we gain the ability to be an honest broker, essentially launching a centralized, 'open source' data cache. One result of this could be that rather than one empire winning the race, we moot the race and all empires come to the same technology simultaneously, as would (I presume) the Serpentis and Angel Cartels and anyone else interested.
A'J, as a project, also has its own resources, though, remember.
Jandice Ymladris wrote:I support what you want to do, so I added you as the 5th official contact on the list of representatives in my news-article about this event: Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research!
Lets hope we can pull it off!
Thank you, this is exactly the kind of support that we will need as the empires already have a major head start in terms of visibility and publicity. One of the ways you can help this campaign is to spread the word. We have until Tuesday. I've taken the liberty of asking FCFTW's diplomatic corps to spread the word to the rest of the wormhole community, as wormholers have unique access to these items. Of course... these items are also the primary income source for wormholers so this will be interesting.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1576
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Posted - 2014.10.07 21:17:00 -
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That makes sense, drawing the Empires together to pool research teams. Thanks :) |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1682
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Posted - 2014.10.07 23:16:00 -
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I wish you luck in your attempt to get a monogrammed space mankini.
J's before K's.
Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today!
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Artemis Renard
Sessrumnir's Chosen
0
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Posted - 2014.10.08 05:12:00 -
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Want to wish you luck on this because I'd really want to see CCP do more with the interactive lore of Eve. However, I mainly wanted to pipe in because I saw you and had to do a double take.
Both ex-uni members (who joined the uni within less than 2 months of each other)
Both in wormhole corps
Both wearing same vest
Both share same last name
Are... are you my evil twin? |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
37
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Posted - 2014.10.08 05:18:00 -
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Artemis Renard wrote:Want to wish you luck on this because I'd really want to see CCP do more with the interactive lore of Eve. However, I mainly wanted to pipe in because I saw you and had to do a double take.
Both ex-uni members (who joined the uni within less than 2 months of each other)
Both in wormhole corps
Both wearing same vest
Both share same last name
Are... are you my evil twin?
Do I have a goatee?
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Artemis Renard
Sessrumnir's Chosen
0
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Posted - 2014.10.08 05:20:00 -
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Guillome Renard wrote:Artemis Renard wrote:Want to wish you luck on this because I'd really want to see CCP do more with the interactive lore of Eve. However, I mainly wanted to pipe in because I saw you and had to do a double take.
Both ex-uni members (who joined the uni within less than 2 months of each other)
Both in wormhole corps
Both wearing same vest
Both share same last name
Are... are you my evil twin? Do I have a goatee?
No, but your hair does part on the right side while mine is parted on the left. I'm assuming that makes you the evil twin. I obviously have no basis to base my judgement on but it must be correct as I am clearly not evil. |
per
Terpene Conglomerate
20
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Posted - 2014.10.08 08:41:00 -
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i really hope you succeed man |
Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
517
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Posted - 2014.10.08 09:26:00 -
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This is a great initiative and I'd be happy to do what I can to support it. If nothing else, if it can encourage CCP to take a different approach to story-led live events than their recent attempts to shoehorn interested parties into big TiDi-plagued fleets, then it'd be a positive step regardless.
EVE Online: The Text Adventure --- GameSkinny Correspondent --- Freebooted Blogger |
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CCP Falcon
9092
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Posted - 2014.10.08 10:08:00 -
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Back on the job after a long break since late summer of 2013 
Things have been so busy that the only thing the live events guys were really able to organize in a big way this year was the Caldari Navy Manhunt.
With the departure of CCP Eterne in June ( ), I've managed to wrangle in CCP Logibro to be my partner in crime going forward ( ). CCP Leeloo ( ) has also been assisting with planning recently.
Coupled with that the usual suspects are still working hard on live events too when they're not super busy with development work, CCP Delegate Zero ( ), CCP Affinity ( ) and a number of others.
We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, but in the same respect there's still a lot of planning and ironing out that needs to be done so we can't really go into great detail right now.
With regards to A'J, we're aware that you guys are super passionate about it, and we're well aware of how much player driven work went into it so far. In the same respect though, we're not in a position where we're just going to resurrect an arc for the sake of it. There needs to be meaning for us to do so, and it needs to fit with what's currently happening in the Universe.
There's a few loose ends that we'll eventually look at tying off, so stay tuned.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10694
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Posted - 2014.10.08 10:41:00 -
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First to like the devpost! \o/ :D
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10694
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Posted - 2014.10.08 10:44:00 -
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Artemis Renard wrote:No, but your hair does part on the right side while mine is parted on the left. I'm assuming that makes you the evil twin. I obviously have no basis to base my judgement on but it must be correct as I am clearly not evil.
Maybe he's your long lost forgotten alt that crashed in a jungle and made it's way back into space? xD
Oh and to be on topic... I have several hundred neural network thingies! \o/
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Artemis Renard
Sessrumnir's Chosen
0
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Posted - 2014.10.08 11:08:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Artemis Renard wrote:No, but your hair does part on the right side while mine is parted on the left. I'm assuming that makes you the evil twin. I obviously have no basis to base my judgement on but it must be correct as I am clearly not evil. Maybe he's your long lost forgotten alt that crashed in a jungle and made it's way back into space? xD Oh and to be on topic... I have several hundred neural network thingies! \o/
Quite possibly. When I saw this I was all like "oh **** now everyone is going to think I'm his alt or something". Seriously though, rock on Guillome I hope this is a stunning success. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
Naquatech Syndicate
1573
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Posted - 2014.10.08 12:56:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Affirmative.
359
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Posted - 2014.10.08 13:19:00 -
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I don't have much, but I'll put a contract up before monday. |
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CCP Falcon
9097
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Posted - 2014.10.08 13:21:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking
Well, what do you think it is?
Lets get some rampant speculation going! The forums are never fun without it!
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10702
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Posted - 2014.10.08 13:27:00 -
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I have a question, if I may ...
Will we get to see stats about which faction has the lead, a day before end?
Or would you think this will skew the outcome?
Thanks!
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
517
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Posted - 2014.10.08 13:37:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:With regards to A'J, we're aware that you guys are super passionate about it, and we're well aware of how much player driven work went into it so far. In the same respect though, we're not in a position where we're just going to resurrect an arc for the sake of it. There needs to be meaning for us to do so, and it needs to fit with what's currently happening in the Universe. There's a few loose ends that we'll eventually look at tying off, so stay tuned.
Although it's a shame to read this given the sheer volume of material A'J inspired the playerbase to generate, I entirely understand that the density and relevance of the projects makes it an insurmountable task for the brave few CCPers flying the live event flag.
However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Is there any possibility that the example set by A'J could be applied to a new narrative?
EVE Online: The Text Adventure --- GameSkinny Correspondent --- Freebooted Blogger |
Darvids0n
Mammoth Beetle
3
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Posted - 2014.10.08 13:42:00 -
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Anyone and everyone interested in player-driven narratives needs to get on this. NAO.
You have my support good sir.
EDIT: Also, can a dev sticky this until the 14th if it's something CCP is watching with interest? Thanks. |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
45
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Posted - 2014.10.08 14:15:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I have a question, if I may ...
Will we get to see stats about which faction has the lead, a day before end?
Or would you think this will skew the outcome?
Thanks!
CCP Fozzie has said that he will be releasing numbers as the drive goes on. I will do the same. Whenever he releases numbers, I will release numbers as well.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
Naquatech Syndicate
1573
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Posted - 2014.10.08 14:30:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking Well, what do you think it is? Lets get some rampant speculation going! The forums are never fun without it!
You know the Fed elections maby. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10706
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:01:00 -
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Guillome Renard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:I have a question, if I may ...
Will we get to see stats about which faction has the lead, a day before end?
Or would you think this will skew the outcome?
Thanks! CCP Fozzie has said that he will be releasing numbers as the drive goes on. I will do the same. Whenever he releases numbers, I will release numbers as well.
Thank you!
That tidbit must have slipped my memory. :)
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Daemonspirit
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
1
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:07:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking
It is.
Funny as **** too. |
Wolfgang Kyosuke
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:26:00 -
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You can have my space axe! (if I remember to log in after work today) |
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CCP Falcon
9105
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:45:00 -
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Guillome Renard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:I have a question, if I may ...
Will we get to see stats about which faction has the lead, a day before end?
Or would you think this will skew the outcome?
Thanks! CCP Fozzie has said that he will be releasing numbers as the drive goes on. I will do the same. Whenever he releases numbers, I will release numbers as well.
I'll be releasing the first wave of numbers tomorrow
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve
TSOE Consortium
115
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:50:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking Well, what do you think it is? Lets get some rampant speculation going! The forums are never fun without it!
I'm hoping it's a surprise ship. I didn't particularly enjoy the "choose your gift!" option from a few years ago. I guess I just like surprise gifts. As for last year, the Yule Lads were pretty cool even if the gifts were silly things like launchers and fedos and carbon. I did like those prototype ships quite a bit....they're cool at least. So here's to hoping. :)
CCP RedDawn:Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty..||| CCP Goliath:I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. ||| CCP Goliath:http://goo.gl/PKGDPZ |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
992
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:51:00 -
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It's at times like this I wish I didn't waste all my ISK on clothes... Sorry State, I'm poor now.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
2475
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:23:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:
However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Fonac
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:29:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:
However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
The fact that Everyone Talks about it.
That it gives a nice reward. - i'm not sure what the reward / new tech will be, but i dont hope it's some kind of vanity thing that for me is useless. (which is why i dont dare enter this) ...
I must admit i think the fact that we have to donate isk to an event, is shallow.. Now if forexample it was an event where he had to find secret sites, or some kind of secret ore(for those that mine) ... well that would be something.
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Steven Hackett
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
85
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:38:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:
However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
That it shapes or have an impact on the history of EVE
That is appeals to a large number of players
That it's possible to be a part of it without having to be on at a specific time, follow badly communicated directions in a TiDI hell.
That there are no prize awarded winners. (If you have to lure the pilots out with great rewards (Devfleet, Im looking at you), you have already failed making a good event.)
And finaly, that the event is flexible and able to swallow what the capsuleers throw at it. I don't care much for roleplay myself, but I can imagine that the roleplayers feels bad about being forced to work for a faction that obviously manipulates and abuses the capsuleers without the option to rebel against the system.
The participants should be able to take whatever option they choose and the event should be able to react on that choice and shape the universe after it. That is in the end. at least for me, the entire idea of a live event. To give the players the option to shape the lore/history/universe with their actions. (and no pre-decided Luminaire stuff, then you might as well not make the live event and make it a scenery instead.)
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
992
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:38:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:
However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
For me it's anything where I feel we as the players can actually change the outcome, unlike events like Caldari Prime where one side was written in to win and we just showed up to watch.
I wasn't around in what many consider the glory days of CCP Live Events (Aurora?) but much of what I heard was they were often smaller scale random events which had an ideal outcome but if things went off the rails CCP just rolled with it.
I really loved the Gurista's event a couple of years ago where we had random intel here and there and had to piece it all together ourselves, The live Events channel and other RP channels worked together or against each other to solve the mysteries involved. Laterly CCP events have been more about getting thousands of players in one place shooting something, with everything being clearly announced and laid out days in advance.
The problem with the later is that all we ever see is power-blocs with no interest in RP or lore turning up just to troll everyone, you can say this is what the sandbox is about and it's all player interaction sure, but I think working towards the audience who care for and want to drive the lore forwards is better than those who just want to mess with people or ruin the events.
Svetlana Scarlet made a lot of really good points in her TMC article last year.
Edit:
Also anything where I can see my personal, corporation or alliance name in a news article afterwards as a party helping the State is a nice nod of the head towards my part in events.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
49
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:39:00 -
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Fonac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
The fact that Everyone Talks about it. That it gives a nice reward. - i'm not sure what the reward / new tech will be, but i dont hope it's some kind of vanity thing that for me is useless. (which is why i dont dare enter this) ... I must admit i think the fact that we have to donate isk to an event, is shallow.. Now if forexample it was an event where he had to find secret sites, or some kind of secret ore(for those that mine) ... well that would be something.
I add to this: That it creates stories that players tell about 'that one time we...'
Remember that time that we started doing player-driven research and actually got to be at the helm of the lore machine?
Remember that time we learned how to navigate wormholes and build empires that have no fixed geography?
A good Live Event leaves players with a sense of accomplishment and community. It leaves players feeling like they DID something. The Jita riots? That was a good live event, cynicism aside. The shattered monument is something people can point to.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Corben Arctus
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
20
|
Posted - 2014.10.08 19:26:00 -
[40] - Quote
Rise up, fellow capsuleers. Don't buy into the empires' bullshit.
I'm risking MY butt to get those sleeper parts; I am fighting those remorseless machines to profit from their remains.
If the empires want that stuff, why don't they come in here and get it themselves?
And if they do... they should tell me their J-sig. I might come and... help them.
[/rp] don't be fools, give the stuff to my buddy Guillome. You won't regret it. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
163
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:18:00 -
[41] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking
I hope it's what I'm thinking you're thinking that Falcon is thinking about what it is they're doing. |
Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct
Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
195
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:18:00 -
[42] - Quote
I was very sad when I saw AJ had vanished long before I entered EVE. Its lore is amazing and I've always felt it deserved much more. I probably won't be able to help (or maybe yes), but I wish you the best. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
6552
|
Posted - 2014.10.08 21:20:00 -
[43] - Quote
We will be supporting your efforts.
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Basta Kindred
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
11
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:25:00 -
[44] - Quote
I can't be the only one that see WH space as one BIG live event, can I?
Look at us! Living out of towers, away from the empires, away from almost everything. I don't think we can even begin to fathom how much we have changed this game, nor do I think CCP realized what they were really making when W-Space was introduced. We're fairly self-reliant (at least us big WH corps are), we kill and build and kill and build, over and over in this cycle that I can surely say was never intended.
While Null continues with it's politics and coalitions, we are out mapping the stars (literally, you should see some of our maps sometimes), plotting revenge, and looking to build bigger and stronger ties with each other. Sure, us WH people have our differences (*cough* SSC *cough* ADHC), but we (mostly) understand our differences. We aren't fighting for space, we fight for something more.
When the Sansha forces came through their WH, all I could think about was "Man, wouldn't it be cool if W-Space could do the same thing to those silly Nullbears? Just drop into the back-end systems, roll for new holes, and start kicking ass and taking names..."
I really think that time is closely upon us. I feel that W-Space will eventually be able to cull this stagnation in Null Security Space. I think that us taking the lore into our own hands, that we'll start to realize how powerful we really can be. I think we can generate content that all players can get behind.
Let's start with this... |
Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
54
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Posted - 2014.10.09 01:08:00 -
[45] - Quote
I support Guillaume (can't spell, too tired) and his initiative.
As for the honor of FC and SSC I will attest to that, having had run ins with them in the past. Usually ones that left me in a pod, mind you, but done with class. That alone in eve is rare enough, so I'll support them here, and with the blessings of my corp, with loot.
This is no scam, these guys are too professional for that.
Send the message mon.
*classy pilot from low-class signing off* |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
507
|
Posted - 2014.10.09 09:10:00 -
[46] - Quote
As SSC diplo and trusted WH broker, I can say Guillome is legit.
And in any case, we can always kick him from corp, raid his POS and sell his ships to get the isk back ;P
W-Space Realtor |
Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
521
|
Posted - 2014.10.09 10:17:00 -
[47] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:
However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
There's been a number of comments already which I think emphasise the kind of thing I was alluding to and why A'J should be viewed as a success. In short, it was emergent and self-sustaining far more than any other live event in my recollection.
I think I understand the motivation for and constraints of the Illuminati's capacity to deliver live events (but please correct me if I'm wrong): the staff effort, time and resources needs to be justifiable in terms of player numbers, which pushes the delivery of CCP-led live events towards discrete, focused PvP 'episodes' which can be advertised for maximum attendance at a specific time. This has proven to have a number of drawbacks:
- It excludes players who cannot attend the specific event at that time.
- High attendance leads necessarily to system caps, further excluding players (eg. The Battle for Caldari Prime which saw hundreds of players locked out of system).
- It encourages server overload and most likely TiDi, providing a sub-optimal EVE experience (eg. pre-Rubicon live event).
- It forces players to engage into a large PvP fleet playstyle in order to participate, something with which they may not be familiar nor interested in.
- It requires CCP event-runners to use inadequate tools in an effort to provide an engaging experience (chat channels full of spammers are poor storytelling device, leading to a detached and confusing experience).
To summarise, a lot of effort (which is appreciated) is wasted on an experience which may be a triumph for marketing spin, but is a lacklustre experience for those who take part. Furthermore, the on-rails nature of these events does not make the best of the sandbox concept.
On the other hand, an ongoing background effort centred around co-operation (or disruption), long-term affiliation and controlled, actor-led experiences is something which can inspire players to find their own content as they contributes to an arc defined by CCP's breadcrumbs.
And that's the key: breadcrumbs.
The Arek'Jaalan Project showed that a hands-off approach to providing event content can have a much more emergent impact than shoehorning players into a costly and short-lived blob experience. Of course elements of any such future project can and should occasionally escalate to conflict, but it's much better to provide the setup and context, leaving the players to find their own cause for PvP.
It's about leveraging the fantastic (but sadly underused) lore to inspire players to become involved with EVE's gameworld and other players in ways that they otherwise wouldn't. Doing so can add flesh to the bones of existing content which has no real reason to exist beyond being a source of ISK, it can drive players to co-operate in a way that might lead them to content and playstyles they would see no good reason to investigate in their usual day-to-day activities. It would empower CCP Seagull's X and Y player types.
For example, running two (or more) competing interests in a similar vein to Arek-Jaalan's search for information and items might trigger a race for territory, leading to confrontation and explosions as well investigation, exploration and a variety of player-generated content. Interweaving story and character into that (including in-game appearances) would require less heavy lifting than the existing model, and would be a sustainable, ongoing interest rather than a flash in the pan.
I appreciate that the current Sleeper item collection event may be along those lines, in which case I'm preaching to the converted and I'll be happy to sit back and watch how it all shakes out. My fear is that it will just turn out to be a transparent ISK sink with a one-off carrot at the end.
EVE Online: The Text Adventure --- GameSkinny Correspondent --- Freebooted Blogger |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
56
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Posted - 2014.10.09 13:14:00 -
[48] - Quote
Seismic Stan wrote:
- It excludes players who cannot attend the specific event at that time.
- High attendance leads necessarily to system caps, further excluding players (eg. The Battle for Caldari Prime which saw hundreds of players locked out of system).
- It encourages server overload and most likely TiDi, providing a sub-optimal EVE experience (eg. pre-Rubicon live event).
- It forces players to engage into a large PvP fleet playstyle in order to participate, something with which they may not be familiar nor interested in.
- It requires CCP event-runners to use inadequate tools in an effort to provide an engaging experience (chat channels full of spammers are poor storytelling device, leading to a detached and confusing experience).
I'm going to add some free advice if CCP just can't think about anything but 'massive battle event.'
You know your servers' limitations better than anyone. It is absurd, narratively, and strategically, to pile a couple thousand people into one system for 'a battle.' Real conflicts are broad in geography and involve extensive maneuvering before a shooting engagement begins. Once it's begun, side engagements are everywhere as combatants CONTINUE to maneuver for control of the battlespace.
Distribute your forces, yo. Take those couple thousand people and have them fighting in two dozen battles of varying sizes. Yes this takes more planning, yes it takes some serious logistical chops, but this is what the job you are trying to do requires of you. HTFU. ;)
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
57
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Posted - 2014.10.09 13:57:00 -
[49] - Quote
Falcon released numbers, and now so have I (check the first post). The caldari bump is due to market activity. Everyone selling to those inflated buy orders is aiding the Caldari cause.
This is beatable. I am working with FCFTW's diplomatic corps to bring the wormhole community behind my drive. Donations have ranged from as small as 30 pts, to as large as 5,744 pts. At this point, the other number I'm interested in gathering is the number of players who donate so feel free to toss me a single NNA in solidarity even if you're not interested in the race itself.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
75
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Posted - 2014.10.09 15:18:00 -
[50] - Quote
I have on my alt a station container with sleeper loot from my brief venture into the unknown some time ago. There's about 350 relevant components along with some salvage.
If I can not scan my way to the other side of the empire and extract the needed contents by the deadline, may I just contract the whole cont to you? |
per
Terpene Conglomerate
20
|
Posted - 2014.10.09 22:36:00 -
[51] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Guillome Renard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:I have a question, if I may ...
Will we get to see stats about which faction has the lead, a day before end?
Or would you think this will skew the outcome?
Thanks! CCP Fozzie has said that he will be releasing numbers as the drive goes on. I will do the same. Whenever he releases numbers, I will release numbers as well. I'll be releasing the first wave of numbers tomorrow
cant find any numbers? help help ;) |
Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
55
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Posted - 2014.10.10 00:45:00 -
[52] - Quote
Guillome, just out of curiosity, have you heard anything from CCP regarding your collection initiative yet? After all, you are currently (as of oct 9) in 3rd place, and far ahead of both the Federation and the Republic.
This should send a very loud message to the Devs.
*curious wormhole resident signing off* |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
63
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 01:07:00 -
[53] - Quote
Verdis deMosays wrote:Guillome, just out of curiosity, have you heard anything from CCP regarding your collection initiative yet? After all, you are currently (as of oct 9) in 3rd place, and far ahead of both the Federation and the Republic.
This should send a very loud message to the Devs.
*curious wormhole resident signing off*
CCP Fozzie said he'd talk to the devs and see if there was any way they could work with my sideshow here. Earlier in this thread, CCP Falcon said that A'J is gone for good - it doesn't fit their plans.
Beyond that, nothing. Donors should expect that we'll score well, it will come to naught but a fine bit of publicity and then you'll get ISK back equal to the NPC buy value of your donations.
But what matters is two things:
How well a player-run, player-conceived, and player-publicized initiative performs against CCP's "every player of EVE sees what I say" ability to plan ahead, and ability to have NPCs accept contracts with ZERO issues of reputation and trust.
And how many players voted with their blue loot for players to be the stars of the show.
There are Big Things(tm) afoot for this little drive of ours. Don't let the initial numbers fool you: I plan to leave the empries in the dust.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
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CCP Falcon
9129
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 10:27:00 -
[54] - Quote
Guillome Renard wrote:Earlier in this thread, CCP Falcon said that A'J is gone for good - it doesn't fit their plans.
That's not what I said at all, please don't put words in my mouth.
What I said was:
CCP Falcon wrote:With regards to A'J, we're aware that you guys are super passionate about it, and we're well aware of how much player driven work went into it so far. In the same respect though, we're not in a position where we're just going to resurrect an arc for the sake of it. There needs to be meaning for us to do so, and it needs to fit with what's currently happening in the Universe. There's a few loose ends that we'll eventually look at tying off, so stay tuned.
TL;DR :
It doesn't fit with what we're doing right this second, so we're not just going to pull it out of the weeds for no reason.
However, maybe when we have more wormhole based storyline (can't really comment on what's happening until it does >_<) we'll look at bringing it to a close or working on it further.
No arc that's unfinished in EVE is "gone for good". We just pick them up again and run with them when it makes sense in the narrative to do so.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10771
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 10:50:00 -
[55] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:It doesn't fit with what we're doing right this second, so we're not just going to pull it out of the weeds for no reason
Totally twisting the point here ...
.... but maybe you should! Certain vherokior weeds, consumed as tea, boost creativity a lot!
Don't ban me... I'll see my self out. *snickers xD*
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Nutbolt
Avalon Project
Shadow Rock Alliance
90
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 11:53:00 -
[56] - Quote
This is a great idea and event. It would be so nice if us capsuleers could beat the empires at their own game. Looking at the first release of numbers it doesn't look like the players are going to win, however if we still beat one of the empires it would be cool if it was still acknowledged in the lore.
Just a short piece saying that the Minmatar Republic were handed an embarrassing blow to their research efforts today when capsuleers succeeded in raising more support than the Republic.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
928
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 12:20:00 -
[57] - Quote
Nutbolt wrote:This is a great idea and event. It would be so nice if us capsuleers could beat the empires at their own game. Looking at the first release of numbers it doesn't look like the players are going to win, however if we still beat one of the empires it would be cool if it was still acknowledged in the lore.
Just a short piece saying that the Minmatar Republic were handed an embarrassing blow to their research efforts today when capsuleers succeeded in raising more support than the Republic.
Tbh, it isn't so far off the mark really. Considering the low profile (compared to the 'official' representatives) the Independants are on a good track (only shortly behind on Gallente/Minmatar). I do hope if the final results get published, the independant group, lead by Guillame renard does get a mention in the news. Such act would already go far in motivating people to participate in future stuff.
Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! (Updated with research points-)
A selection of upcoming events in the Eden cluster-á |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10774
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 12:34:00 -
[58] - Quote
More and more this seems to be a way to find out the amount
of roleplayers who are actually still interested.
I do hope they release numbers of participants,
but I fear a striking blow to confidence.
What I happily notice is the idea of a slight shift towards those who actually engage themselves
into the game... see clothes that match ships like the ORE thingy ... and faction stuff.
Btw... THAT CALDARI THINGY MAKES ME LOOK FAT AND SKINNY PEOPLE LOOK NORMAL!
Sheesh ..... where is that tailor? I want to write a not so formal, emotional complaint!
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
302
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:22:00 -
[59] - Quote
Guillome Renard wrote:Falcon released numbers, and now so have I (check the first post). The caldari bump is due to market activity. Everyone selling to those inflated buy orders is aiding the Caldari cause.
This is beatable. I am working with FCFTW's diplomatic corps to bring the wormhole community behind my drive. Donations have ranged from as small as 30 pts, to as large as 5,744 pts. At this point, the other number I'm interested in gathering is the number of players who donate so feel free to toss me a single NNA in solidarity even if you're not interested in the race itself.
By the by, those numbers have been updated and corrected, the Amarr are leading now by a huge amount. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10775
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 13:36:00 -
[60] - Quote
He relies on begging to those who put their sweat and ISK into it ...
... without actually doing anything by himself.
This just proves he's desperate .......
... which raises the question: Why would he?
((this was IC, apply grains of salt))
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
64
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 15:10:00 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:
However, maybe when we have more wormhole based storyline (can't really comment on what's happening until it does >_<) we'll look at bringing it to a close or working on it further.
Pardon me but... are you not aware that the Sleepers - whose behavior the empires are concerned with - live in Anoikis?
Are you not aware that the blue loot that they drop is, therefore, sourced in 'wormhole' space?
You have wormhole based storyline in progress: Sleeper behavior has shifted and people want to know why.
A'J was also about more than just wormhole space, IIRC. There was research on all sorts of things going on there.
There is a bounty of possibility space here that you could be playing in. I'll wait for your big reveal to discuss the ways in which this is so; I believe the point will be more tangible when I can work with much closer to the amount of information you are right now.
CCP Falcon wrote:No arc that's unfinished in EVE is "gone for good". We just pick them up again and run with them when it makes sense in the narrative to do so.
Thank you for the (sort of) clarification, then. Aside from my observations above, this is encouraging.
As an aside: I see the numbers were corrected. As soon as I get home this morning I will update my own.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
64
|
Posted - 2014.10.10 17:25:00 -
[62] - Quote
Update is in, 13,082 is our current total, putting us 49 pts away from beating Minmatar.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
67
|
Posted - 2014.10.12 15:53:00 -
[63] - Quote
Update is in for the 12th (actually those numbers are from the 11th, I'm away from my desk today and most of tomorrow). We've fallen behind a little bit, but we're still showing competitively at 106,505.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
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CCP Falcon
9164
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
Guillome Renard wrote:Pardon me but... are you not aware that the Sleepers - whose behavior the empires are concerned with - live in Anoikis?
Yes, I am aware.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
934
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Guillome Renard wrote:Pardon me but... are you not aware that the Sleepers - whose behavior the empires are concerned with - live in Anoikis? Yes, I am aware.
Ohh, so more WH lore stuff is coming them? (hopefully)
A summary of the ancient rcivilizations of New Eden
Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! Updated research points on 12 October |
Zappity
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
1442
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:33:00 -
[66] - Quote
I've never had much interest in RP but this is awesome. I hope you pull it off and CCP does something good about it.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Darren Fox
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
58
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:43:00 -
[67] - Quote
Great effort, support sent. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2907
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Posted - 2014.10.13 13:10:00 -
[68] - Quote
It occurred to me that although you have less than any given faction, you do have enough to do one odd thing:
Donate enough to three factions that all four have exactly the same amount. You would have to make some sort of deal where you get the final numbers after the competition ends, than make one final donation of your own, in just the right amounts, to equalize everyone.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
70
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Posted - 2014.10.13 13:26:00 -
[69] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:It occurred to me that although you have less than any given faction, you do have enough to do one odd thing:
Donate enough to three factions that all four have exactly the same amount. You would have to make some sort of deal where you get the final numbers after the competition ends, than make one final donation of your own, in just the right amounts, to equalize everyone.
I'd thought about that, or simply playing kingmaker.
Sadly, there was no warning, so there was no time to do anything but push hard on what I thought of halfway through the first day. To ensure that I got good numbers I offered folks the promise that they'd get their blue loot (or iSK) back, should I fail to get CCP involved. Since that's happened, (and since we consistently trail), this'll have to remain an interesting side show.
I don't have new numbers right now because I'm away from my desk. I'll put 'em up in several hours, though.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
6560
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Posted - 2014.10.13 15:27:00 -
[70] - Quote
I have more contracts for you.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
934
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
Curious about the update for the independants.
This is the current tally of the Empires:
- Caldari - 311,249
- Minmatar - 167,726
- Amarr - 155,789
- Gallente - 154,525
Caldari took a huge leap forward. Minmatar have progressed as well and are now second place! Amarr on the other hand have all but dropped silent... Only moving up minimally & getting caught up by the others.
A summary of the ancient rcivilizations of New Eden
Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! Updated research points on 13 October |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
74
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Posted - 2014.10.14 02:59:00 -
[72] - Quote
255,626 as of 2AM EVE Time, 10/14.
Sorry for the delay, I have a /nasty/ head cold right now.
This means that we would be in 2nd place, were we considered to be in the running, a scant 56k pts behind Caldari.
The punchline is that this is EXCLUDING the ISK donations received, which - @50,000ISK/pt would cut that lead in half.
This is beyond my expectations for this campaign. Well beyond it.
The donations have come from 35 unique individuals. Some individuals have donated multiple times. The largest single donation (and largest total) is 101,635. The smallest is 5pts + a bottle of spirits (cheers).
There's 10 hours left, so we'll see if we get a last minute rush, but I'm super pleased with how this went.
Once again: unless CCP yanks the blue loot from me, it will be liquidated and returned ask ISK unless you've given me license to not return it, or asked for the blue loot back as blue loot.
It'll take me a few days (read: couple of weeks, if I'm honest) to get everything tallied, and put away, and then I still have to figure out how to properly honor you all. You have until I've processed your return to tell me how you'd like it to come: silence = ISK.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10926
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Posted - 2014.10.14 10:23:00 -
[73] - Quote
Caldari ftw.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
76
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:52:00 -
[74] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Caldari ftw.
Shouldn't you be getting your thrasher popped by my Ares in Hek? ;)
IN OTHER NEWS:
Our final tally is 261,832 + 1.27B ISK (+~25,400 pts = 287,232 final tally, all-in) from 39 individual donors!
Based on CCP's language that there was a last minute surge (a wise strategy given the format of the competition) I expect we got left in the dust, but the fact remains: we held our own very nicely against some substantial disadvantages:
- When CCP sends a message, EVERYONE IN EVE gets it. When I send a message, I get a few hundred views.
- When you donate to CCP, you /know/ what you're getting. When you donate to me, I could be a scammer and run off with the ISK.
- CCP made it pretty clear* from the word go that this campaign would not be considered a legitimate contender, so folks who donated here did so purely as a demonstration, at personal risk, with basically zero hope of official reward.
- CCP started 12 hours ahead of me, and had a plan going in. I had to make this up as I went.
That said, we did have some advantages over CCP, which I should mention as well:
- You donate to CCP for almost assuredly no reward unless you're a major market mogul. Every donation to my campaign will be acknowledged.
- EVE Players love to punk The Man(tm), love a good rabble-rouse, and love underdogs.
- My donors will be getting their stuff or the ISK value of it back, whereas donations to CCP /definitely/ go into a black hole.
Despite all this, 39 brave souls risked ISK and dignity to stand for greater player influence and capsuleers thumbing their nose at the four empires. I suspect nothing will come of it, given the statements made by CCP Fozzie and CCP Falcon. I'll be making one last post, after the smoke has cleared and they've done their big reveal, commenting on how I think they could've better used this intitiative to involve a broader base of players and how they can be better prepared for player-initiated shenanigans in the future.
* While I feel very strongly that CCP missed an opportunity here, if you're not going to capitalize on that the least you can do is say so upfront, so kudos to CCP Fozzie and CCP Falcon for being immediately responsive and up-front about what they were willing to commit to. Keep up the good work guys.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10941
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:00:00 -
[75] - Quote
Is it one of those "killmails" where the faction police actually did the work?
Okay, so you are one of those who are happy about literally everything as long as
it slightly, remotely, maybe is spinnable into an achievement.
Thanks.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
76
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:01:00 -
[76] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Is it one of those "killmails" where the faction police actually did the work?
How's that poem go? "For want of a nail the battle was lost?"
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10941
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:05:00 -
[77] - Quote
Guillome Renard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Is it one of those "killmails" where the faction police actually did the work?
How's that poem go? "For want of a nail the battle was lost?"
I edited the post above and it hits the nail on the head.
You can't annoy me with your delusions, sorry.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
306
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:09:00 -
[78] - Quote
Considering how paranoid people can be in EVE, congrats on your campaign, OP.
Even though I personally preferred to give my meager effort of a couple hundred points to Gallente, it's nice to see the independent effort going out strong. |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
76
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:18:00 -
[79] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:[
You can't annoy me with your delusions, sorry.
And you can't touch me with yours.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Billy Hix
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
172
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Posted - 2014.10.14 18:55:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
A good event is one people enjoy while taking part.
A FANTASTIC even is one that people still talk about fondly years later.
I never took part in AJ, but can you remember a CCP run event that people still talk about now as fondly as AJ? |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
995
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Posted - 2014.10.14 19:10:27 -
[81] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
Often mentions (indirect or direct) in news game artickes helps alot. By example *capsuleers intervened in this operation, or helped with gathering that*
In this research race by example, a mention that a group of capsuleers under the lead of Guillome Renard tried to start an independant research program, to claim the spoils of new technology for themselves.
Aurora Project expands the Arcology
The result of the YC116 Sleeper data research race: Tech 3 Destroyers!
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Cahir Ceallach
Blok Ekipa
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
4
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Posted - 2014.10.15 07:12:47 -
[82] - Quote
Nice event, its good to EVE when players push foward storyline ;) |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
89
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Posted - 2014.10.15 17:11:13 -
[83] - Quote
Due to financial activity in my wallet getting too complicated to work with (I shouldn't have done this on my main), I had to close my positions in relations to this campaign early. I have returned all outstanding donations as ISK. Everyone who donated blue loot received 50k per NNA and 200k per SDL (50k per point), except for two donors who requested blue loot back, ahead of time.
Thank you to all who supported this campaign. Watch this space after the EVE Vegas keynote for analysis, stats, etc.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501
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Okromis Thara
Deadspace Operations Conglomerate
U-S-A-T-O
0
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Posted - 2014.10.15 18:35:31 -
[84] - Quote
Guillome Renard wrote:Due to financial activity in my wallet getting too complicated to work with (I shouldn't have done this on my main), I had to close my positions in relations to this campaign early. I have returned all outstanding donations as ISK. Everyone who donated blue loot received 50k per NNA and 200k per SDL (50k per point), except for two donors who requested blue loot back, ahead of time.
Thank you to all who supported this campaign. Watch this space after the EVE Vegas keynote for analysis, stats, etc.
Sorry, I was really excited looking at the numbers and may have misunderstood. Have you pulled out of this endeavor? Also, thank you for your quick return of ISK.
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Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
89
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Posted - 2014.10.15 18:39:53 -
[85] - Quote
Okromis Thara wrote:Guillome Renard wrote:Due to financial activity in my wallet getting too complicated to work with (I shouldn't have done this on my main), I had to close my positions in relations to this campaign early. I have returned all outstanding donations as ISK. Everyone who donated blue loot received 50k per NNA and 200k per SDL (50k per point), except for two donors who requested blue loot back, ahead of time.
Thank you to all who supported this campaign. Watch this space after the EVE Vegas keynote for analysis, stats, etc. Sorry, I was really excited looking at the numbers and may have misunderstood. Have you pulled out of this endeavor? Also, thank you for your quick return of ISK.
No, we did not pull out. We successfully completed our campaign. The polls closed, the votes have been tallied. CCP was never - and they made this clear from day 1 - going to incorporate my drive as a legitimate contender in the race. This was a protest movement, a show of support for player-driven stuff, and a statement against the same old 'four empires' choices.
Since CCP was never going to do anything with your donations to me, I had planned from the get-go to return the donations to you all. I was going to wait until after the announcement, but I have records of who donated what and there wasn't any additional reason to delay (plus I had a nice kspace exit from my wormhole chain to work with, strike while the iron's hot).
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501
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Okromis Thara
Deadspace Operations Conglomerate
U-S-A-T-O
0
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Posted - 2014.10.15 18:45:29 -
[86] - Quote
Guillome Renard wrote:
No, we did not pull out. We successfully completed our campaign. The polls closed, the votes have been tallied. CCP was never - and they made this clear from day 1 - going to incorporate my drive as a legitimate contender in the race. This was a protest movement, a show of support for player-driven stuff, and a statement against the same old 'four empires' choices.
Since CCP was never going to do anything with your donations to me, I had planned from the get-go to return the donations to you all. I was going to wait until after the announcement, but I have records of who donated what and there wasn't any additional reason to delay (plus I had a nice kspace exit from my wormhole chain to work with, strike while the iron's hot).
That's a terrible shame, you made quite the tally. I salute your efforts no matter what the inevitable consequences were to be. I was glad to be a part of it as well, no matter how small. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
951
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Posted - 2014.10.19 08:12:00 -
[87] - Quote
Congratulations in getting mentioned on the Las Vegas stream, giving the result of the research race! Here's the image, showing all 5 contestants for the research race & the total points collected: Eve Vegas research race keynote image
I also like to thank the CCP devs who honored Guillome Renard's effort & that of his supporters by including their tally into the final result!
With all that is said: it's unveiled what we were donating for: Tech 3 destroyers! The winning faction (Amarr) resleases theirs first, followed by Minmatar, Caldari and then finally the Gallente (who never seemed to be able to keep up with the others...)
You can read more about it here: 'The result of the YC116 Sleeper data research race!' where I give an overview of the final research tally & all we know about the Tech 3 destroyers for now, released on the Vegas Stream.
The result of the YC116 Sleeper data research race!
A summary of the ancient civilizations of New Eden |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
995
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Posted - 2014.10.19 08:12:13 -
[88] - Quote
Congratulations in getting mentioned on the Las Vegas stream, giving the result of the research race! Here's the image, showing all 5 contestants for the research race & the total points collected: Eve Vegas research race keynote image
I also like to thank the CCP devs who honored Guillome Renard's effort & that of his supporters by including their tally into the final result!
With all that is said: it's unveiled what we were donating for: Tech 3 destroyers! The winning faction (Amarr) releases theirs first, followed by Minmatar, Caldari and then finally the Gallente (who never seemed to be able to keep up with the others...)
You can read more about it here: 'The result of the YC116 Sleeper data research race!' where I give an overview of the final research tally & all we know about the Tech 3 destroyers for now, released on the Vegas Stream.
Aurora Project expands the Arcology
The result of the YC116 Sleeper data research race: Tech 3 Destroyers!
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11087
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Posted - 2014.10.19 20:43:00 -
[89] - Quote
Gallente, dear Jandrice ....
.... like to finish last. ;)
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin.
You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy -
you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11142
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Posted - 2014.10.19 20:43:25 -
[90] - Quote
Gallente, dear Jandice ....
.... like to finish last. ;)
Sparkles of cinnamon ...
... surrounded by hot chocolate ............ ;)
I can see you reading this ... and you like it!
I saw a man upon the stair, a little man who wasn't there
I saw the man again today ... Geee, I wished he'd go away.
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Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
89
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:43:12 -
[91] - Quote
So, some analysis:
The Campaign:
We got stomped. Not really a surprise. As I've said before, this campaign had basically the entire deck stacked against it:
- We started 12 hours after CCP's;
- We had no universal channel of communication;
- We had no guaranteed broker (NPCs to take contracts);
- We had nothing to offer in either tech or fame;
- etc.
Despite these challenges, our campaign showed very well until the final moments, when the Smart Money(tm) poured in. This is perfectly in line with my expectations. The way this race was constructed, the smartest move was to hold all of your donations until the last second and then pour them in all at once. This gives your enemies zero warning about your donation and you don't have to worry about a "holy crap, look at the Caldari, we better get our act together" bump showing you up.
Congratulations to the Amarr, enjoy your Tech 3 dessies in December.
This campaign was the first time I tried to organize anything on a global scale within EVE online and the experience was both rewarding and interesting to me. I will definitely be pulling shenanigans like this in the future.
For those who suggested (and there were a lot of you) that I look up Chribba, he did finally get back to me! Four hours after the donation window closed.  I will definitely be looking him up for support of future events where security of your donations is a concern, but if he's traveling again or what have you I will do it myself if needed.
I was repeatedly called a scammer, lots of people rolled their eyes at and variously criticized my campaign as glory hounding, and worse. This did not surprise me in the slightest. What DID surprise me is just how little of this there was. I received ONE scam contract trying to steal blue loot from me (Newbie please, I've been playing this game since Exodus: Cold War), despite managing to reach some 50,000+ people through various channels of communication. Clearly I'm not important enough to troll.
How CCP Used This Campaign
CCP Fozzie was up front that they couldn't really offer a legitimate non-empire option and now in hindsight the motivation for that is obvious: New ships means new skills, those skills rely on the racial skills template laid down during EVE's inception, and so obviously they're not going to release a 5th-faction (pirate T3?) ship just because someone else wanted to make trouble.
Instead, CCP Fozzie and Falcon recognized the impulse that drove this campaign and gave us a tip of the hat mention during EVE Vegas - which I profoundly appreciate. It's not the interactivity that we saw during the height of A'J, but it's far from the cold shoulder that bittervet me anticipated.
But still...
How CCP Could Have Used This Campaign
The major objection I have to CCP Fozzie saying that we couldn't roll an independent option is a simple one: There are so many ways to tweak and tune a narrative, to introduce twists that do NOT change the material outcome that you've decided upon, but give room for minor actors (and I make no claims to being anything but) to make their dent in the thing. "Yes but..." is the sandbox GM's credo.
I give this whole live event a B+. It was a non-ti-di, indeed non-combat, decentralized effort and it has tangible (in the short run) impacts on the world. So kudos to them for that.
There's still a million questions pertaining to lore that are unanswered: How, exactly, have sleeper behaviors changed? Why can't those of us who interact with sleepers every damned day see this? How do these behavioral changes lead to the development of Veritech fighters^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Tech 3 Destroyers??
The players who donated to this campaign were looking to nudge the Lore more than to nudge the development of specific game mechanics.
I busted CCP Falcon's chops earlier in the thread to indirectly point out that he was too-narrowly viewing A'J and what it represented to EVE, to EVE's players, and what it could represent to CCP. Now I'm going to come out and directly say it:
A'J always was about more than wormholes; It was about players interacting DIRECTLY with the lore. CCP Falcon seems to miss the point, viewing it narrowly as a tool for releasing more wormhole-related content. This is better than not viewing it at all, but A'J is actually a model for dev/player interaction, it is a way to give players unique content and yes that can serve to introduce new mechanics, new toys, and other changes in game - but those are side benefits to its role as a way to engage players directly. That direct engagement is a draw.
CCP Seagull says you're challenging the things you thought you knew about EVE and how things had to be. I encourage CCP to expand this to their Live Events. Let the players be the stars of Live Events (which this one did a better job at than some in the past have) and be ready, once you open it to player interaction, for someone to take a wild left turn on you.
Parting Thoughts
Thank you, to all who participated. I will look into getting a page on the EVE wiki, and I will link to that page from my bio for all eternity. I will post the list of donors in this thread shortly.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501
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Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
89
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:55:53 -
[92] - Quote
DONOR LIST:
TOP DONOR: Kyozo Haruuken - 101,635 pts (Honorary Patron of Ascension)
TRUSTEE-LEVEL (25,000+):
Rufis Malone - 34,239 pts
Jandice Ymladris - 57,641 pts
Darren Fox - 25,824 pts
James Arget - 10,000 pts
Marbin Drakon - 10,000 pts
ORGANIZER-LEVEL (5,000+):
Guillome Renard - 7,961 pts
Tanith Astarael - 5,744 pts
Hordi LaGeorge - 7,808 pts
SUPPORTER-LEVEL (1,000+):
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon - 1,493 pts
Stable Cusp - 1,118 pts
Marvin Senitia - 3,000 pts
Aphoxema G - 1,000 pts
Seismic Stan - 1,506 pts
Jacquen Brunerre - 1,958 pts
Gaia Ma'chello - 1,160 pts
Ineza Erasi - 1,188 pts
Sylvanium Orlenard - 3,020 pts
Fillin Ambramotte - 1078 pts
DONOR-LEVEL (500+):
Myrina Bishop - 725 pts
Darvids0n - 540 pts
Ash Kion - 696 pts
Adam Evans - 841 pts
Bane Shydow - 658 pts
Jin alPatar - 800 pts
ENDORSER-LEVEL (Less than 500 pts, point totals omitted):
KusK62, Mizcesth, SmokinMoses, Ikslagor, C1unk, Lenroc Elisav, typhoon Rinah, Stalence (thanks for the bottle of spirits!), Baltar Mengos, Aegea Siannodel, Teutonii, Ancalanna Hareka, and Nina Geiker
Champions of capsuleer autonomy, all.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501
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Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
418
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:09:23 -
[93] - Quote
I don't see why they can't make an SoE/capsuleer/other factionT3 destroyer because of this. |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
89
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:13:39 -
[94] - Quote
Jessica Danikov wrote:I don't see why they can't make an SoE/capsuleer/other factionT3 destroyer because of this.
They're CCP, they can do anything. But, to date, no pirate or navy faction ship is T2 except the Alliance Tournament prizes.
I'd love to see the Four Empires start to lose importance to advanced content, though.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501
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CCP Falcon
9177
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Posted - 2014.10.24 00:44:45 -
[95] - Quote
Guillome Renard wrote:I busted CCP Falcon's chops earlier in the thread to indirectly point out that he was too-narrowly viewing A'J and what it represented to EVE, to EVE's players, and what it could represent to CCP. Now I'm going to come out and directly say it:
A'J always was about more than wormholes; It was about players interacting DIRECTLY with the lore. CCP Falcon seems to miss the point, viewing it narrowly as a tool for releasing more wormhole-related content. This is better than not viewing it at all, but A'J is actually a model for dev/player interaction, it is a way to give players unique content and yes that can serve to introduce new mechanics, new toys, and other changes in game - but those are side benefits to its role as a way to engage players directly. That direct engagement is a draw.
I wouldn't say you busted my chops at all, I'd more say you put words in my mouth, which you're doing again this time around. If you simply asked for my opinion rather than always assuming it, I'd be happy to give it.
I fully understand what A'J was about. I interacted with it directly as a player before I came to CCP, and have been a roleplayer in EVE since 2003. I know exactly what it means to the community.
The bottom line is that we simply do not have the manpower or resources to resurrect events on the scale that they were running in the lead up to Incursion. It's simply not possible, and the tools that were built at the time were constructed purely for the purpose of incursion related events.
We've had questions over and over about letting ISD volunteers run events again - this isn't possible for a multitude of reasons. We've had questions about repurposing the tools that were created for incursions - this isn't possible with our current resources, and furthermore any tools that were used would require significant work to even function again given the changes that have happened since the incursion events were running.
Caldari Prime alone took three months of planning, timetabling and execution by myself and CCP Eterne, including all the news and chronicles that were included. That was the two of us working full time, then CCP Affinity (who gives events a hell of a lot of support), Goliath, Delegate Zero, Abraxas and Gnauton pitching in wherever they could spare the time from their development duties.
A lot of people are under the assumption that it's super simple to run events in EVE. It really isn't. Events run now because they're a labor of love for the staff involved, and for the best part they're planned and ran in our spare time and have been for as long as I've been with CCP.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6376
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Posted - 2014.10.24 01:05:25 -
[96] - Quote
<3, Falcon.
Wish there'd be more support for live events and actors! Joshua Foiritan spilled the story on his Serpentis-issued mission recently, given I-RED's moving into the warzone, and I must say it was pretty nifty-- even if timezones made it hard to execute on. ;)
So. Thanks for what you've been able to do! It's appreciated, even if we grumble about wanting more. ;)
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
996
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Posted - 2014.10.24 07:54:49 -
[97] - Quote
Thanks for the great post Falcon! And it does confirm what I mentioned in the Sansha live event thread, that currently CCP is unable to launch major events due to the absence of the Live Event team.
I do appreciate the effort you guys put in the recent events. Considering CCP staff has to prioritize and for obvious reasons running Live Events can't be high on the priority list, you still do great work. The Provist Manhunt & the Research race were neat events.
On the Research race, it was a great event to make players have an effect on the game, and for lorefolks/RP it does matter who came out with tech 3 destroyers the first.
On running events, I used to organize large scale events in another MMO, and yes, can confirm it's hard to do, alot of preparation, being ready for whatever shenigans people throw at you. Iin Eve it's double important due to it's open nature, with people insisting on finding ways to intervene in a matter you didn't originally intend.
Also stress in making sure people enjoy the actual event & co-ordinating your 'staff' during the events. Only once the event is over, organizers can relax (or not, when people are vocal about it)
Hence, I won't expect anything on the scale of the Sansha incursions, Arek'Jaalan or Caldari Prime Battle for a good long time. Instead, I'm happy to see events like this research race pop up.
Only thing I'd enjoy to see improved is additional ingame news articles, even fluff ones would be neat. Then again, writing isn't so easy either, especially not with lore you got to take in account & that ingame news articles are always canon.
In this case by example, I'm sure CCP had discussions internally wether to include the Independant's research into the Las Vegas stream or not, as it might create unrealistic expectations of people in the future, who all want to start up little things of their own, just to be able to efature in an offical CCP representation.
To cut it short, don't expect it, if you really want to get featured, find a way to rally the community behind you. The independents, in my opnion, got rightfully featured because it was a community effort.
Aurora Project expands the Arcology
The result of the YC116 Sleeper data research race: Tech 3 Destroyers!
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Demion Samenel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
51
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Posted - 2014.10.24 09:55:39 -
[98] - Quote
Quote:Wish there'd be more support for live events and actors from the higher-ups!
I bet there are a few that wishes the same, sadly not enough. But its IS appreciated that something do come out.
Quote:
lorefolks/RP it does matter who came out with tech 3 destroyers the first.
This is important yes, I can remeber a certain PLEX hand out where I did not give a frak if I got anything, and it was a event that also went as it was predicted.
Only thing I wish is that event, which could be classified as "world/CCP events" and "rp events" (not the samething) has an unpredictable outcome and also his awarded accordingly.
Executive Officer and Diplomatic Director Fourth District Alliance.
4TH District blog
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Anslo
Scope Works
19609
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:19:10 -
[99] - Quote
Guys...it's happening.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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