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Evelyn Lavi
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Evelyn Lavi on 13/08/2006 12:08:47
I checked the in-game entry for the Vengeance, and it lists a skill-based small energy turret damage bonus. Yet the forums seem to suggest this ship sucks because it lacks a damage bonus.
Was this changed recently? What gives?
I am hoping this ship is indeed viable and capable of dealing some damage... unlike the Retribution, it has enough medlots for me to do my usual thing, and also have a backup ECM for quick escapes. 
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Powder Monkey
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:13:00 -
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it sucks
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Morkus Rex
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:22:00 -
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It is not a damage dealer. I find it more usefull as a tackler.
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Evelyn Lavi
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:24:00 -
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Okay. How is the Retribution better for damage?
I really, really want to make use of a Vengeance, for style if nothing else. 
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Benglada
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:32:00 -
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vengeance only recently got a damage bonus, its not a half bad ship anymore. (if you searched it all old posts will refer to it being crap, because it was, now its decent)
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 Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Evelyn Lavi
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:33:00 -
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Wow, cool!
What was the old bonus, pray tell?
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Ryoka
Infinite Opportunities Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:38:00 -
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5% em missile damage bonus
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Evelyn Lavi
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Posted - 2006.08.13 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoka
5% em missile damage bonus
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
That's precisely the useless bonus that convinced me NOT to fly a Malediction.
As if the Amarr need MORE EM damage.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Powder Monkey
it sucks
 .. No it dosent
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Danielle Desire
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:03:00 -
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Ryoka was just joking i think.
The old bonus was optimal small laser range - like the one for hybrids on the Ishkur. Wasn't all bad, but you do not need a range-bonus on such ships though you will want to go closerange anyways... web-scram ftw!
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Evelyn Lavi
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:07:00 -
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No, no, I think that is incorrect.
You must be referring to the Retribution. If the old Vengeance had the same bonuses as the Retribution (optimal range) then people wouldn't have said "Vengeance sucks" so much.
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Antodias
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:10:00 -
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It used to have a cap recharge bonus, which was replaced with the damage bonus because it had a terrible damage output.
And the Vengeance can make a good solo pirate ship.
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Danielle Desire
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
No, no, I think that is incorrect.
No it's not. I've been flying this ship for a while.
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Danielle Desire
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias
It used to have a cap recharge bonus, which was replaced with the damage bonus because it had a terrible damage output.
What are you talking about? It still has the recharge-bonus. The optimal range bonus was replaced with a damage bonus.
If you don't believe me maybe you believe the official patch notes: http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp
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MOS DEF
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:17:00 -
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You get almost 200 DPs out of this one now while having a somewhat decent tank. It doesn`t suck at all anymore. Good ship for it`s price now.
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Antodias
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.13 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Danielle Desire
Originally by: Antodias
It used to have a cap recharge bonus, which was replaced with the damage bonus because it had a terrible damage output.
What are you talking about? It still has the recharge-bonus. The optimal range bonus was replaced with a damage bonus.
If you don't believe me maybe you believe the official patch notes: http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.13 14:12:00 -
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The Vengeance is useful now, but far from good. Especially in comparison with the Retribution, I find one thing to be a glaring design fault:
Compared to the Retribution, the Vengeance has lower PG, lower armor, much lower structure (which is a significant disadvantage now that we have proper damage controls), less cap, and generally leaves the impression of being the 'smaller' ship.
Yet at the same time it also has a HIGHER! mass and LOWER! speed than the Retri. And that is something that strikes me as completely wrong. Maybe CCP should reverse those numbers.
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