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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:32:00 -
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So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6761
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:34:00 -
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It's a Jovian Miracle.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6419
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:35:00 -
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If you can't put up a cloak before you get locked, then you should just find another module to put in that slot.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Iain Cariaba
497
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:36:00 -
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Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:38:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2038
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:41:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing.
Because balance. That's really all it is. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:42:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. Because balance. That's really all it is. You said Balance in a cloak thread hahahaha. |
Jace Sarice
Caldari State
15580
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:48:00 -
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This thread has potential. |
Iain Cariaba
500
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:59:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. Oh look there, you just answered your own question. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
15152
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:06:00 -
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Because game design > player whine.
The comment earlier about cloaking any time someone was going to lose a fight is exactly right. Not all fights are conducted at brawling range, so a cloaked ship could easily evade being decloaked and just warp off. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:06:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. Oh look there, you just answered your own question. How in any way does this answer my own question. Please read and understand before posting, targeting and being locked are 2 different things yes? OK so how does targeting someone prevent someone from cloaking? Also even after being targeted you should be allowed to cloak doesn't mean you can cloak and now can't be attacked, look at tactical targeting systems of today. You can target & Lock someones position and lose them but still shoot them. So now back to the original question please. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
192
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:06:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism.
Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really. |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:08:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism. Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really. Once again targeting not Locked on.
Also how do visual and sonar systems work them? HMM. You do not need to send a signal to receive one and lock on to it. Look at submarines. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
15152
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:13:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:How in any way does this answer my own question. I think it was pretty clear how you provided an answer to your own question.
You commented that cloaking would have no benefit since position would be known, so therefore, no need to be able to cloak in the first place.
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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:16:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Hades Dark wrote:How in any way does this answer my own question. I think it was pretty clear how you provided an answer to your own question. You commented that cloaking would have no benefit since position would be known, so therefore, no need to be able to cloak in the first place. once again that's about being locked on, not being targeted meaning in the process of being locked but you will continue to read and post only what you want to see and not the whole picture. So please refrain yourself from my post thank you. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5651
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:17:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment
[Citation Needed]
In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct? |
DarHammer Podesta
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:20:00 -
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I believe your the one not seeing the whole picture because your looking at a single game mechanic and refuse to consider the rest in relation to it. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
717
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:22:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
EvE is a submarine simulator and is only very loosely based on real physics. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
192
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:23:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Milan Nantucket wrote:Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism. Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really. Once again targeting not Locked on. Also how do visual and sonar systems work them? HMM. You do not need to send a signal to receive one and lock on to it. Look at submarines. I looked for a sonar module and didnt see one. This is Jovian Science so if you want to use the less technologically advanced science and theories then find a way through the eden gate and go back to earth where submarines exist. |
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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:25:00 -
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DarHammer Podesta wrote:I believe your the one not seeing the whole picture because your looking at a single game mechanic and refuse to consider the rest in relation to it. Really because I am trying to talk about the targeting part which is between having knowledge of where they are and having there location locked (which means your system has processed all the data to come up with a correct and accurate firing solution). So to make it clear when your screen shows that flashing yellow icon meaning your being targeted not completely locked, How does it prevent your system from cloaking your ship? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
15152
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:28:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct? Hahaha what. Earth physics.
Let's start with the earth physics explanation of a cloak on a spaceship in the first place.
I'll admit, I don't have a clear handle on the real physics behind cloaking massive structures flying around in space. Maybe you can help me OP. Then we can look at how targeting systems might interfere with that, once we know how it works.
Or maybe we can just go with the, this is a game, not RL and it's a game mechanic. Nothing more than game design and not based on real physics at all.
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Jace Sarice
Caldari State
15641
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:30:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
No.
And no. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1574
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:31:00 -
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TIL none of visual, radar or sonar target aquisition involve anything hitting the target and bouncing off.
If you're really autisic enough to need a lore explanation for game balance, how about that maybe someone somewhere thought of including something which intentionally disrupts cloaks in the targeting system? Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Jace Sarice
Caldari State
15641
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:31:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct? Hahaha what. Earth physics. Let's start with the earth physics explanation of a cloak on a spaceship in the first place. I'll admit, I don't have a clear handle on the real physics behind cloaking massive structures flying around in space. Maybe you can help me OP. Then we can look at how targeting systems might interfere with that, once we know how it works. Or maybe we can just go with the, this is a game, not RL and it's a game mechanic. Nothing more than game design and not based on real physics at all.
Scip, it's the unicorns. They do the cloaking. Silly. |
DarHammer Podesta
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:38:00 -
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Oh I did not notice you were looking for a lore explanation. Lore has very little interest to me in games, Its purely to stop people from fleeing in a large number of fights cloaking ships can get involved in.
Twist the lore to suit as you wish. I am no story teller. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2901
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:48:00 -
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Real world radar systems on aircraft have two modes: scanning and locked. When scanning a target is only illuminated with radar every now and then. When locked, the radar is directed at the target exclusively, resulting it being almost continuously illuminated.
So the best explanation is that the cloaks we use can handle blocking the occasional scan, but a continuous scan is sufficiently disrupting that the cloak fails. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few Break-A-Wish Foundation
34
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:38:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:So to make it clear when your screen shows that flashing yellow icon meaning your being targeted not completely locked, How does it prevent your system from cloaking your ship?
Flashing yellow means that the person has acquired a lock on you, not that they are in the process of targeting you.
You cannot cloak when someone has a lock on you because that's the way the game designers implemented the mechanic. So please shut the **** up with your whining and either go away or at least link your loss mail so that this thread is actually slightly interesting. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5651
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:40:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
So you say Earth physics says that spaceships have maximum speeds, go about as fast as a Cessna, turn like they're going through corn syrup, and stop when they turn their engines off?
Which Earth are you from?
And no, you cannot assume that things in EVE work the same as they do in the real world just because some of the names of things are the same. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 01:55:00 -
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From what I can gather, this is a question about the rational explanation. So..
2 science fiction pieces of equipment - Targeting System - Cloaking Device
TS = Something connected with radar and unknown variants of a similar thing
CD = Limited stability, stops to function when another ship is within close proximity.
Sounds consistent enough to me. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
164
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Posted - 2014.10.12 02:16:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Milan Nantucket wrote:Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism. Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really. Once again targeting not Locked on. Also how do visual and sonar systems work them? HMM. You do not need to send a signal to receive one and lock on to it. Look at submarines. I looked for a sonar module and didnt see one. This is Jovian Science so if you want to use the less technologically advanced science and theories then find a way through the eden gate and go back to earth where submarines exist.
That would be pretty cool. |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
45
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Posted - 2014.10.12 03:12:00 -
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The cloaking device itself works by taking a "snapshot" if you will of incoming radiation from all sides of the ship and generates its own matrix that is meant to fool observers watching on certain frequencies. The cloaking device will not engage until it has a successful snapshot of all surrounding radiation and can therefor reproduce said matrix.
A targeting system is a powerful electromagnetic beam that has the secondary effect of overwhelming or confusing the cloaking device with an excessive amount of radiation such that the the cloak cannot engage as it is not able to reproduce the beam generated by the targeting system. |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 03:27:00 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:The cloaking device itself works by taking a "snapshot" if you will of incoming radiation from all sides of the ship and generates its own matrix that is meant to fool observers watching on certain frequencies. The cloaking device will not engage until it has a successful snapshot of all surrounding radiation and can therefor reproduce said matrix.
A targeting system is a powerful electromagnetic beam that has the secondary effect of overwhelming or confusing the cloaking device with an excessive amount of radiation such that the the cloak cannot engage as it is not able to reproduce the beam generated by the targeting system.
I'm definitely coming to you when I need reminding why acceleration gates exist. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
46
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Posted - 2014.10.12 03:40:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:The cloaking device itself works by taking a "snapshot" if you will of incoming radiation from all sides of the ship and generates its own matrix that is meant to fool observers watching on certain frequencies. The cloaking device will not engage until it has a successful snapshot of all surrounding radiation and can therefor reproduce said matrix.
A targeting system is a powerful electromagnetic beam that has the secondary effect of overwhelming or confusing the cloaking device with an excessive amount of radiation such that the the cloak cannot engage as it is not able to reproduce the beam generated by the targeting system. I'm definitely coming to you when I need reminding why acceleration gates exist.
That's easy. Hitting anything in space nomatter how small will naturally cause damage to any spaceship traveling at faster then lightspeed. Acceleration gates are used in parts of space where there is excessive matter that interferes with spaceship travel. The acceleration gate fires a Consistent and powerful stream of antimatter particles directly in the path of the ship in order to obliterate all matter thereby making the trip safe to what would normally be matter congested locations. |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 03:54:00 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:
That's easy. Hitting anything in space nomatter how small will naturally cause damage to any spaceship traveling at faster then lightspeed. Acceleration gates are used in parts of space where there is excessive matter that interferes with spaceship travel. The acceleration gate fires a Consistent and powerful stream of antimatter particles directly in the path of the ship in order to obliterate all matter thereby making the trip safe to what would normally be matter congested locations.
That explains how I warped right through the middle of a planet, I hope they have enough filler to patch up the hole I made.
Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Vyl Vit
851
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Posted - 2014.10.12 04:12:00 -
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The hubris hangs so thickly in the air you can carve it with a steak knife. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
5739
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Posted - 2014.10.12 04:15:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Once again targeting not Locked on.
It is in EVE. Crisis over, say hi to your mum for me. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 04:44:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:The hubris hangs so thickly in the air you can carve it with a steak knife.
Classic symptoms - In denial. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2045
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:05:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. Because balance. That's really all it is. You said Balance in a cloak thread hahahaha.
I f***ing hate you, Thomas. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Trey Kutoi
Nyarlthotep Holdings Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:28:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:The hubris hangs so thickly in the air you can carve it with a steak knife. Classic symptoms - In denial.
I would arm the whining lasers, but I got ganked by CODE before I could activate. |
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Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:40:00 -
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Trey Kutoi wrote:
I would arm the whining lasers, but I got ganked by CODE before I could activate.
I'm fairly sure they won't penetrate the 'Don't Rock the Boat' damage containment field.
Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2014.10.12 09:32:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Let's start with the earth physics explanation of a cloak on a spaceship in the first place. I really wish I could find the blog/article/whatever that discusses this, but someone basically showed using thermodynamics that it's really not possible to cloak spaceships in reality, regardless of advancements in technology. Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer] |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2014.10.12 09:37:00 -
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Unless of course there's some magical device that we somehow invent that allows us to circumvent the laws of thermodynamics altogether, but cloaking would frankly be one of the less exciting implications of such technology. Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer] |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:04:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote: I really wish I could find the blog/article/whatever that discusses this, but someone basically showed using thermodynamics that it's really not possible to cloak spaceships in reality, regardless of advancements in technology.
Objects are inherently only visible to sensors that can detect them, so without knowing what the sensors are, it is fairly difficult to answer whether or not it is possible to block them or omit a signal that replicates the object not being there. That's as much as I've thought about it. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Lady Areola Fappington
2292
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Posted - 2014.10.12 22:35:00 -
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Hey, a lore question, I like lore stuff, lets see if I can help!
To start, lets assume that ship sensors behave the same way your in-built human sensors work...your eyes, ears, etc. Normally you aren't fully aware of all of your surroundings on a conscious level. You brain has a general idea of where things are outside of what you are focusing on, but you aren't really paying attention. It's how the "gorilla during basketball" trick works (seriously, google it, it's really cool).
So, lets say ship sensors work the same way. There's so much information coming in, your ship isn't really paying direct attention to anything you aren't focused on. That's how the cloak works, since nobody else is "looking" at you, it's easy to just drop off the awareness grid. Now, when a ship starts targeting you, that's different. It's bringing all of it's "attention" towards you as a target, so there's no way to just "disappear" from the awareness sphere. Metaphorically, the ship is staring at the spot you're sitting in, turning it's head to listen for you, that stuff. The cloaking ship is able to detect that increase in directed "attention", so rather than waste time and energy powering up a cloak, it just tells you "I can't do that".
There, lore done, yay! It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 22:49:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Now, when a ship starts targeting you, that's different. It's bringing all of it's "attention" towards you as a target, so there's no way to just "disappear" from the awareness sphere. Metaphorically, the ship is staring at the spot you're sitting in, turning it's head to listen for you, that stuff. The cloaking ship is able to detect that increase in directed "attention", so rather than waste time and energy powering up a cloak, it just tells you "I can't do that".
There, lore done, yay!
Possibly but that would probably only effect the ship that is targeting you, why would you be visible to everyone ?
Too much lore can prevent you from correcting mistakes..
Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
973
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Posted - 2014.10.12 23:06:00 -
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It's a question of balance from my point of view. Not just game balance, that should be perfectly obvious. I'm referring to my obnoxious autism being balanced by my extreme laziness, it really is a ton of work to reconcile sci-fi with a grinding need for detail and veracity. Some stuff you just let go because *effort* ughhh.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
474
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Posted - 2014.10.12 23:20:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
Well we don't have cloaking in reality and even the pseudo invisible effect we see in prototypes do not block the rest of the spectrum. Thermal, UV and such can still readily detect the "invisible" object/individual and you can still see them with a cloak active.
If you lock an F 35 fighter - it's 5th gen stealth capabilities are WORTHLESS. All that advanced technology doesn't help once a lock is obtained - it's back to flares, chaff and the like for countermeasures. The pilot also tends to know when he's locked by an enemy.
Cloaking in the game blocks most everything but to do so...
Mechanics wise it's a balancing gig.
Technology wise - it's an unknown how locking technologies work exactly in the game when each race has a different type of sensor yet cloaking blocks all types of sensor effects - including visual spectrum.
So a lock blocking a cloak may be via an innate ability or an active application built into the process. It quite readily could directly incorporate anti-cloaking effects via pulsing or what not - Or it might be a side effect of the lock-on process.
Being as anyone within 2k of the cloaked ship will prevent and deactivate the cloak, the fact a type of lock-on "beam" is used could readily prevent a cloak field from forming.
It's an unknown and lore wise could be explained in any way CCP likes. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
302
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Posted - 2014.10.12 23:30:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they?
If you lock something, your computer already knows exactly where that ship is and that ship engaging it's cloak can fool the targeting mechanisms anymore.
If the cloak gets up before you can target someone, then your ship's computers get confused to where exactly that ship is and you won't get a lock.
Done and done. |
Grendaran
Celestial Tomb TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
7
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:06:00 -
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I drove down to the local space ship dealer where I live, and asked the question about cloaking and targeting for real, they just laughed at me, Grrrrrr
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Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:26:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:If you lock something, your computer already knows exactly where that ship is and that ship engaging it's cloak can fool the targeting mechanisms anymore. If the cloak gets up before you can target someone, then your ship's computers get confused to where exactly that ship is and you won't get a lock. Done and done.
It doesn't work like that because a cloak affects all ships that could normally see it, not just the one targeting it. The targeting system does therefore literally cause the cloaking device to fail as opposed to see through it.
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Lady Areola Fappington
2292
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Posted - 2014.10.13 01:33:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:
It doesn't work like that because a cloak affects all ships that could normally see it, not just the one targeting it. The targeting system does therefore literally cause the cloaking device to fail as opposed to see through it.
Slight change then. During the process of locking, the target in question gets "lit up" by the targeting vessel. The illumination starts at the beginning of the lock sequence, it just takes the locking ships computer time to narrow down specifically what is being seen.
Analogy, it's easy to hide in a dark room by throwing on a black trenchcoat (cloak). You can't hide at all in that dark room, if someone is shining a flashlight on you (being locked). It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. Ineluctable.
179
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Posted - 2014.10.13 01:43:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct? EvE is a submarine simulator and is only very loosely based on real physics.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
895
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Posted - 2014.10.13 02:34:00 -
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Because game mechanic. Not everything has a lore background. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.13 02:36:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Slight change then. During the process of locking, the target in question gets "lit up" by the targeting vessel. The illumination starts at the beginning of the lock sequence, it just takes the locking ships computer time to narrow down specifically what is being seen. .[/quote]
Which is much the same thing as causing it to fail. Can't think of any problem with that, ship unlocks, then you can cloak again. Damn I should actually try using a cloak for something, then I might be better at this, it's been sat in my hanger for 3 months. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
165
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Posted - 2014.10.13 03:34:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? If you lock something, your computer already knows exactly where that ship is and that ship engaging it's cloak can fool the targeting mechanisms anymore. If the cloak gets up before you can target someone, then your ship's computers get confused to where exactly that ship is and you won't get a lock. Done and done.
Except you are prevented from cloaking as soon as someone BEGINS to target you. Not after they lock you. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
327
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Posted - 2014.10.13 04:00:00 -
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I'm pretty sure its because of the Radiating Type-A12 GammaDelaZetaB C-Dion Phase-Waves that emanate from all Gen4.7+ JethroTull-Class Tactical Targeting Apparatus Mechanisms that our ships are outfitted with, as they interfere with the BobRossian Pan-Kaleidoscopic Elmo-Refractions that are necessary to achieve cloak. Naturally. |
Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
54
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Posted - 2014.10.13 05:54:00 -
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I'm pretty sure it works like something like this:
if (targeted == true || cloakReactivationDelay > 0) sendCloakFailMessage(); else doCloak();
Or are you looking for a physics explanation for a phenomenon in game which does not exist in the real physical world? |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.13 06:10:00 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote:
Or are you looking for a physics explanation for a phenomenon in game which does not exist in the real physical world?
Yes, that is what I think the OP was asking for, I don't recall any indication that he was referring to an unspecified source code. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.10.13 06:41:00 -
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CCP should release an anti-cloaking bubble, similar to warp bubbles.
Or maybe they even come out with a ship, like a destroyer/dictor, that launches an anti-cloaking field.
...would be cool.
Maybe post-jump changes they will think about it. It could be pretty sweet, particularly the ship idea.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10872
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Posted - 2014.10.13 07:51:00 -
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Nice troll thread if it is one. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.13 08:43:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Nice troll thread if it is one.
If you don't know, how is anybody else meant to ? Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
493
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Posted - 2014.10.13 13:25:00 -
[63] - Quote
Maintaining a lock requires a high energy particle beam to scan and track the target. This beam is of sufficient amplitude and composition as to disrupt the quantum sheathing that the cloak must generated evenly around the ship in order to render it invisible.
It is all very logical. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.13 13:33:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:
It is all very logical.
I bet you can't tell me if the explanation or the code was written first. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Iain Cariaba
513
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:19:00 -
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What I find absolutely ******* hilarious about this thread is this:
At the top of page 2, OP posted a comment that showed he was merely confused about the meaning of a yellow box vs. a red box. He thought a yellow box meant they were still locking on, and red box meant they had acquired lock.
OP, yellow box is they are locked on, red box means they are using an offensive module, i.e. firing weapons or using warp disruptor.
Two page of people bickering about how locking in this game supposedly works, and one person besides me saw OP's confusion, though the other person who noticed was rather rude about it.
FYI, only the rude one answered OP's original question before now, the rest of you seem to just be posting to see your own avatars. Of all of you, only Solecist can get away with that particular excuse. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
493
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:30:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:
It is all very logical.
I bet you can't tell me if the explanation or the code was written first.
Does it really matter - in here or the real world. As long as the explanation let's you sleep at night. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Arla Sarain
87
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:32:00 -
[67] - Quote
Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? I don't think the principle hinges on visual detection as much as you make it sound like.
I think the purpose of cloak is to prevent you from being locked by making enemy sensors think you are not there. But once you get locked it would pointless to try that because the location of the mass has already been pinpointed. And even if you did various logical prediction procedures could have been carried out in order to try and locate the mass again.
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Nevil Oscillator
17
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:40:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:[quote=Nevil Oscillator]
Does it really matter - in here or the real world. As long as the explanation let's you sleep at night.
No, unless you are debugging a game mechanism, then it might tell you something.
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1733
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:17:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Please read and understand before posting, targeting and being locked are 2 different things yes? OK so how does targeting someone prevent someone from cloaking?
No. "Targeting" someone and "locking" them mean the same thing.
Having someone targeted or locked means you selected them on your overview, then clicked the "target lock" button, or ctrl+clicked them, or any other ways of initiating lock. Then you waited the locking countdown, which is shorter the bigger the ship being targeted is. After that, the target shows up in your selectable "locked" targets, and you are able to activate weapons or other modules on it.
At the point the target appears it your target selection icons, on its client it sees a "yellow box" around you, indicating that you are locking, or targeting, it. There is no feedback for the target before this point. This is also the point where it ceases to be able to cloak. It could have still cloaked during the locking countdown.
Note that the "red box" only appears when an offensive module (weapons, some sort of disruption, etc) is active.
Why does acquiring a target lock on someone disable their cloak?
- Lore answer: targeting someone involves active detection of their position and signature, sending a strong signal at an already known position/ship to get all externally available data about it. While a ship is being "painted" by such a strong signal, its cloaking device cannot function effectively, forcing the ship to remain targetable by everyone else as well.
- Real answer: because of game balance. If locking did not disable cloaking: gate camps would not be possible; kiting/sniping ships that fit cloaks would have a permanent get-out-of-jail-free card; fleet fights would turn into a series of targeting stuff that immediately cloaks so it is not shot; etc.
ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10900
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:39:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:... which is shorter the bigger the signature radius of the ship being targeted is.
At the point the target appears in your target selection icons, on its client it sees a "yellow box" around you, indicating that you are locking already successfully have locked, or targeting targeted it. Fixed that for you.
To clarify.
The size of the ship has no actual connection with the amount of time needed for a lock. What matters is the signature radius of the ship, which of course increases with a ship's size, but also through other ways ... like microwarpdrives and target painters.
And I corrected the part about yellow boxing for language reasons.
You're welcome.
Now go spread 10 Likes to get rid of your sins. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:*snip* Why does acquiring a target lock on someone disable their cloak?
- Lore answer: targeting someone involves active detection of their position and signature, sending a strong signal at an already known position/ship to get all externally available data about it. While a ship is being "painted" by such a strong signal, its cloaking device cannot function effectively, forcing the ship to remain targetable by everyone else as well.
- Real answer: because of game balance. If locking did not disable cloaking: gate camps would not be possible; kiting/sniping ships that fit cloaks would have a permanent get-out-of-jail-free card; fleet fights would turn into a series of targeting stuff that immediately cloaks so it is not shot; etc.
This is an awesome answer. I liked the lore part. TIL. Good work ISD! (wait... what did I just say?!?!) I am a meat popsicle.-á |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1736
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Posted - 2014.10.13 18:26:00 -
[72] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:... which is shorter the bigger the signature radius of the ship being targeted is.
At the point the target appears in your target selection icons, on its client it sees a "yellow box" around you, indicating that you are locking already successfully have locked, or targeting targeted it. Fixed that for you. To clarify. The size of the ship has no actual connection with the amount of time needed for a lock. What matters is the signature radius of the ship, which of course increases with a ship's size, but also through other ways ... like microwarpdrives and target painters. And I corrected the part about yellow boxing for language reasons. You're welcome. Now go spread 10 Likes to get rid of your sins. "Signature radius" is most easily understood as "how big your ship is" for someone who has not dealt with the mechanic before. It indeed does not match the actual size of the ship, and can be bloated by stuff unrelated to size (shields, MWDs, etc), but for someone without extensive experience with Eve's sometimes convoluted mechanics (as OP appears to be), "my ship is bigger, therefore it is locked and tracked more easily" makes more sense than referring to a vague "signature radius" value.
And yes, you're right, my wording for the yellow box was a bit bad. I'll fix it. Thanks. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc.
141
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Posted - 2014.10.13 19:53:00 -
[73] - Quote
OP should feel bad at failed troll... Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
321
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:12:00 -
[74] - Quote
Not necessarily a troll, I think OP simply thought that yellow box would appear as soon as you start a locking sequence, instead of it only appearing on victims OV once the lock has been confirmed.
Tbh. I don't think that OP is the only one in this thread who has never noticed or tested when that yellow box actually does appear on your screen.
To OP: On your screen it might appear as if you can't cloak while being targeted but in reality you can, you just can't know if the locking count is in progress until it's too late.
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Heather Austrene
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.14 02:58:00 -
[75] - Quote
Trying to expect this thing to work according to science is sort of funny, when is Eve is a universe where there is no gravity, friction in space, and all kinds of other blatant disregard of Newton. I suppose the servers either can't handle newtonian mechanics, or they think it would make the gameplay too difficult. So just assume it is an alternate universe with different laws of physics and learn to cope with them. |
Curious Onlooker
LE YOLO LE SWAG LE 9GAG YOLOSWAG SWAGGER CORP YOLO
1
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Posted - 2014.10.14 03:08:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they?
There's an incredibly simple answer to this, one I'm actually kindof surprised that you lacked the ability to come up with yourself:
The cloaking device does not make your ship truly invisible, it simply masks most details about your ship and location to nearby and far away capsuleers. Once another ship locks onto you with their targeting mechanisms, their ship computers are keeping detailed information on your ship (heading, velocity, and other pertinent information), and so it is very reasonable to believe that should you try to cloak, it would be ineffective as the focused targetting system would know exactly where to look for you, and so your cloak wouldn't hide you. It is also reasonable that any ship targetting you would broadcast your position to other ships nearby, so that they too could instantly discern your position. In a day and age as far advanced as the eve universe is, instantaneous 3D coordinate relaying would be old technology.
As for why the cloak doesn't actually activate, that's a simple matter of game mechanics. Allowing your to activate your cloak with no effect would be far too confusing for many players, would not be of meaningful benefit to the game, and would further complicate things if the enemy lost their lost on you. Would the cloak then conceal your ship, preventing you from warping off, or would you then need to disable it, providing that you realized you werent truly cloaked all along? |
Nevil Oscillator
18
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Posted - 2014.10.14 10:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
Heather Austrene wrote: Eve is a universe where there is no gravity, friction in space, and all kinds of other blatant disregard of Newton.
I think I may have noticed some friction out there.
Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1311
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:29:00 -
[78] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:... which is shorter the bigger the signature radius of the ship being targeted is.
At the point the target appears in your target selection icons, on its client it sees a "yellow box" around you, indicating that you are locking already successfully have locked, or targeting targeted it. Fixed that for you. To clarify. The size of the ship has no actual connection with the amount of time needed for a lock. What matters is the signature radius of the ship, which of course increases with a ship's size, but also through other ways ... like microwarpdrives and target painters. And I corrected the part about yellow boxing for language reasons. You're welcome. Now go spread 10 Likes to get rid of your sins.
Scan res. Use your more advanced skill at english to add a mention of it because insta lockers don't put sebo and targetting rigs in tehir fitting in the hope that it will bloat the target's sig radius. You'll get a like for your effort. It even gives you a good reason to post once more. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4701
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Posted - 2014.10.14 21:37:00 -
[79] - Quote
Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they?
Let me respond.
Why with the size of the ships we fly around, it takes us till we are closer then 2 km before we suddenly spot that cloaked ship of our bow. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar |
Nevil Oscillator
18
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Posted - 2014.10.14 21:49:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Why with the size of the ships we fly around, it takes us till we are closer then 2 km before we suddenly spot that cloaked ship of our bow.
Because they are cloaked ? Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
308
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Posted - 2014.10.14 22:31:00 -
[81] - Quote
Simple logic.
Because the cloaking module activates, but enemy ship sensor has already identified your location, and acquired your signature. Masking signature with cloaking device becomes unfavorable, because enemy computer will detect the emission phase shift and readjust.
Because *KING targeting laser lights your spaceship up. You shine and glow and reflect/absorb that beam, which gives out your location.
If you could first break enemy's lock with counter emissions, cloaking may have some positive effect. Unless you can warp cloaked, enemy will still remember your coordinates and locate your ship with close contact bump.
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Nevil Oscillator
18
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Posted - 2014.10.15 02:14:00 -
[82] - Quote
It's because of the light frequency, that's why you would never be able to detect Ultra Marines. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Brylan Grey
Scope Works
60
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Posted - 2014.10.15 06:14:00 -
[83] - Quote
I would imagine locking to cause more than just guns and modules to follow the target. Instead, it would be more like projecting some sort of emission onto the target that interferes with warp and allows for superior tracking of targets in space. This would go along the lines of targeting not actually being based on visual acquire meant of the target but rather some sort of signature.
Example, instead if having my computer follow a ship visually, emote something that is easy for me to follow onto the ship. Now suppose a side effect of this radiation, chemical, whatever, is that it interferes with cloaking the ship. |
Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
68
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Posted - 2014.10.15 10:25:00 -
[84] - Quote
It prevents cloaking because it must.
As an example let's take your logic and pretend you need a new module that 'damps' cloaks. In a PVP engagement with a covert ship in which the aggressor does not have said module fitted, the covert ship would simply be able to cloak up and warp off as soon as the pilot realizes the fight isn't going quite as planned "because targeting shouldn't prevent cloak". GöÇGòó The Explorer I GöÇGòó The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
837
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Posted - 2014.10.15 18:26:00 -
[85] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:It's a Jovian Miracle.
This.
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
627
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Posted - 2014.10.16 12:28:00 -
[86] - Quote
TL;DR def Jovians. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7020
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Posted - 2014.10.16 12:32:00 -
[87] - Quote
Is the OP still here or is he cloaked? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Alex Sorensen
Dynamite Mining Division
28
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:07:00 -
[88] - Quote
OP if you want a logical answer as to how the physics behind it work, you won't get one. EVE isn't a space simulation, it's a video game, like all other movies/games based in space, it takes many liberties with the physics aspect of it.
You might as well be asking why there are explosions when killing ships, why there's sound, why ships move like they're travelling through air rather than space, among many other things.
To answer your question and any other future questions:
Any time see something like that, a wizard did it. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7021
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:18:00 -
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Alex Sorensen wrote: 1. You might as well be asking why there are explosions when killing ships 2. Why there's sound 3. Why ships move like they're travelling through air rather than space
1. When a pressurised container full of combustible material (Your ship's hull and its oxygen rich environment) is punctured by a high energy heat beam, accelerated particle, super-dense alloy projectile or high explosive warhead in a vaccum physics tell us this will explode outwards, and all combustible material will be consumed by the release of energy in a sudden flare.
2. Some of the sounds are provided by your Pod's sensor relays in order to facilitate your clone's understanding of its surroundings. Other sounds pass through the air inside your ship (and pod-fluid) to your ears when forces strike the hull of your ship.
3. Actually, they travel as if they are moving through liquid. This is a side-effect of the computer controlled guidance systems. If vectored thrust and inertial-less motion (such as accerating from 0kmph to 10,000kmph almost instantly) were to be enacted, your crew, as well as most likely your clone, would at best be unable to fly your ship at all, and at worst crushed into a fine paste. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10988
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:21:00 -
[90] - Quote
Almost ....
Number three is because of the warp drive/core thingy creating artificial drag. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:24:00 -
[91] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Almost ....
Number three is because of the warp drive/core thingy creating artificial drag.
I think its a combination of both.
Its far quicker and easier to train pilots if the ship can operate like an already familiar vehicle.
Of course, there are no doubt some pilots who could disable the safeties and perform "UFO-like" manuevers.
This is probably the source of rumours of Jovians
and other such things. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Alex Sorensen
Dynamite Mining Division
28
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:40:00 -
[92] - Quote
Answer me this then:
What resistance is causing missles to not travel in a straight line through a vaccum to their target?
And for 2, I'm talking about hearing other ships exploding. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10989
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:41:00 -
[93] - Quote
lol startrek has sound in space ermagherd how unrealistic!! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7022
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:51:00 -
[94] - Quote
Alex Sorensen wrote: What resistance is causing missles to not travel in a straight line through a vaccum to their target?
And for 2, I'm talking about hearing other ships exploding.
In what way don't they travel directly towards their targets?
As for 2, my answer coevrs explosions in the smae way it covers anything else there is a sound for. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Alex Sorensen
Dynamite Mining Division
28
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:54:00 -
[95] - Quote
They travel in a small spiral as can be seen by the smoke trails they leave behind. Which isanother thing you now have to explain! How do missles leave smoke trails in space? HOWWWWW????? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10989
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:56:00 -
[96] - Quote
Actually, missiles "swarm" because players wanted it.
The old movement was boring, as it was straight. Players wanted a cooler anime style movement and got it.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7022
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:57:00 -
[97] - Quote
Alex Sorensen wrote:They travel in a small spiral as can be seen by the smoke trails they leave behind. Which isanother thing you now have to explain! How do missles leave smoke trails in space? HOWWWWW?????
Any missiles I have fired have a fairly straight trail. Any deviation in the trail is caused by either;
a) The nature of their solid-fuel rocket motors
or
b) A glitch in your pod interface.
as for their exhaust trails.... exactly why would solid fuel rockets expell their exhaust gasses differently in space? The only difference is that they should linger longer rather than immeadiately dissipating, but again this is to save clutter in your digitally-created visualisation. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10990
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:58:00 -
[98] - Quote
Anyhow ... you're trolling Ramona.
The forums are much better off without people baiting ... ... and other people constantly eating the bait ... ... creating pages after pages of nonsense.
So please ... there are other people around too. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7022
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:01:00 -
[99] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Anyhow ... you're trolling Ramona.
Should there be a comma in there? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10990
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:08:00 -
[100] - Quote
Nope.
He wins, because you keep responding ... ... and I jumped in before this turns into the next forumban. ^_^ I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7022
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:13:00 -
[101] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Nope.
He wins, because you keep responding ... ... and I jumped in before this turns into the next forumban. ^_^
Thats good, Im glad I didnt assume there was
He wins learning stuff is what he wins
Because Knowing is Half The Battle
The other half is obliterating their means of production and sustaining life "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10990
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:24:00 -
[102] - Quote
Nope.
Trolls abuse the fact that the other person believes he can ... ... "show the fool who is the better one".
They abuse weak egos by making them post and post and post, ruining thread after thread after thread and the whole atmosphere of the forums.
The big issue, EVE style btw, is that the trolls would go away ... ... if people stopped instaresponding and eating bait so easily.
You are being trolled and he wins ... ... because you keep responding ... ... creating pages after pages of nonsense ... ... showing no sign of interest for the actual community.
The situation got much better recently and I am sure the ISDs would rather not want to look through dozens of pages of nonsense just because people with weak egos are easily manipulated.
You'll just get banned again.
Reporting the posts, including my own, as offtopic. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Nevil Oscillator
21
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:26:00 -
[103] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:
The other half is obliterating their means of production and sustaining life
And waiting for a patch to come in that allows you to do that.
My theory on diplodocuses, is my theory and nobody elses, they are thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle then thin again at the other end |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7022
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:27:00 -
[104] - Quote
. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7022
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:28:00 -
[105] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:
You'll just get banned again.
What do you mean "again"? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10990
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:30:00 -
[106] - Quote
Nevil is one of them, btw. As is Veers.
Just so you know. :)
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Jace Sarice
16824
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Posted - 2014.10.16 15:57:00 -
[107] - Quote
Thread lived up to it's potential. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2488
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Posted - 2014.10.16 21:50:00 -
[108] - Quote
Right, that cleaned it up a bit. Where was I, oh yes:
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Kelaian Stareine
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
24
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Posted - 2014.10.16 22:47:00 -
[109] - Quote
Targeting definitely should prevent cloaking.
Cloaking has a ton of advantages and my lifestyle is 100% dedicated to cloaky camping. The downside of being locked is so you cant coward out of a fight if something goes wrong. once you get decloaked and locked/pointed you are committed. If locking didn't prevent cloaking there would be no reason to ever fly anything else. |
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face FEARLESS.
3752
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Posted - 2014.10.17 11:46:00 -
[110] - Quote
The prototype of an advanced cloaking mechanism was one of the last major technological breakthroughs to come out of Crielere Labs. Although it does work it is not really a finished product and has some serious drawbacks, most notably the fact that the module creates high sensor disruption while fitted and can not operate unless at minimum velocity.
So any type of focussed electronics such as targeting systems mess with it's highly unstable operation. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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