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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:26:00 -
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You make me sick, even if I'm no longer a pirate, quit whining. If you don't want to be pod killed or lose your ship, play Morrowind!!!
FFS, this is a MMoRPG game, there will be pvp and always pvp in a game like this. So if I were you people who whine about getting podded, look at the systems with high pod kill numbers, if you don't you shouldn't even complain because it's your fault for not being self-informed.
I want all you people who whine to think about it a little, do you want to play a game that you mine for 24/7 and do nothing else? If so, you are a hopless cause. 
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:31:00 -
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If you don't want to be pod killed or lose your ship, play Morrowind!!!
i take it you don't want to play morrowind!? that must mean that you want to be pod killed or lose your ship.
geez! 
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:34:00 -
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I'm not saying that, I'm saying try to be smarter about where you go. Its really easy to know where gate campers are, its just people don't take the time to look at their map or get info from other players, then they whine about pirates being in the game and people wanting them to all be banned!!
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:41:00 -
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He only want to say, if people are too lazy or stupid to use the basic functions of the game, they must not come here , to ask CCP to fix their lack of skills 
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:44:00 -
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ye well, there's whining from all sides. the ones we should really put under pressure is the devs. they need to fix this asap. most agree pierats are important in this game but the way the game mechanics allow them to operate isn't really fun to the victims and i'm sure the pierats would prefer to get their kills in other ways then those available today.
ccp needs to do something about pvp, because right now it sucks.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:47:00 -
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I agree with destruct, the devs need to find a way to help pvp in the game. It's too one sided.
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ange Noire on 10/10/2003 17:50:00
omg, that sound nearly as boring as the "pirates are evils, they kill the game" topics ...
/yawns
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RazorDreamz
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:49:00 -
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/me Agree's with Xen0.
All it takes is a bit of time to check the map on podkills and you can skip by most pirates. If you don't like how pirating is implemented in the game then post a message with some new suggestions on how it could be implemented better, and let people discuss it. Whining about pirating is not a way your issues will be resolved.
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Paddyman
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:37:00 -
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As true as it is mate your wasting your time trying to talk sence to them, its been tried before but to no success.
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:38:00 -
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And whining about carebears is ok?
Lets just stop all the whining....constructive posts only from now on 
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"Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'.
These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab
Chapter 1, Verse 3.
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Zraahd
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Zraahd on 10/10/2003 18:49:08
Razor, xeno, its not about the retards that can't check maps. Its not about, well let me list them so you understand and stop posting these topics.
Its not about:
who likes PVP and who doesn't
bashing pirates just to bash
going to play other games that don't have PVP
Not wanting to get into some great PVP
It is about:
Ganking pirates that don't want PVP
Not being able to load a screen before podding
having real PVP and not lag enduced pod death
So from those few eamples do you see a little pattern emerging. Pirates use the jump- camp lag tactic to avoid PVP and just gank people. I would love to be able to enter that area and load the screen so that I could go after them. But they want to fire at derelect ships that are not even fighting back.
You tell me where the PVP is in that for the pirates that they whine about us not wanting (us = non pirate). It sure does appear to me that the pirates are really the ones that do not want the PVP. Or they would stop the exploits to just shoot at ships that can't fight back.
Do you get it now, Pirates using lag and jump in exploits not equal to PVP. If anything them doing these things is really PVE. They are fighting against game mechanics more than pilots. The players that enter the system don't have a chance in hell to do anything about being podded. Thats not PVP.
Rationalize it all you like but in the end "jump in camping lag enducing Pirates" are the true non PVP'ers and a real PVE group. Alomst as bad as the other side of the stick--- Afk miners. Takes about the same amount of brain power to do both. |
Yurito
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:04:00 -
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Xen0, weren't you in Sinister?? how'd you switch to MASS... i totally missed that! aren't they enemies?
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 11/10/2003 11:06:05
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Xen0, weren't you in Sinister?? how'd you switch to MASS... i totally missed that! aren't they enemies?
Yes, they are. he is a traitor
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(> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!! |
Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:17:00 -
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I have a new item I would like to see develpoed and added to the GAME. A Drone that carries cruise missles, A drone that will go through a jump gate and search and destroy a progamed type of ship. Each drone will carry 6 heavy cruise missles. It goes ahead of the owning ship. jumps and as soon as it sees its programed ship type. Fires off these cruise missles at the target. one drone nope it goes in groups of eight to ten. In some of the sciFi books from Mr David Webber they use this device to clear jump points.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:49:00 -
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What about gate cameras that you can use to view the destination?
That would enable people to make a more informed choice given the fact we are vulnerable while the system loads. Or perhaps when moving in groups (ie moving corp minerals to empire) send an expendable alt thru first to see what is happening.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 11/10/2003 11:56:23
I agree that some people go to far, EvE is about PvP, EvE is about good v.s. Evil...
But what fun is it when your screen loads AGES because someone is using harvesters as drones to create lag.
If the player base would take some responsibilties and they would remove themselves from _abusing_ game mechanisms, i bet you will find alot "whiners" less.
Cuz, lets be real, what fun is a fight thats over before it began? None in my eyes.
(im sure some molly figure comes along with the set of carebear pics, but carebearness is about not willing to fight... I claim quite the opposide.)
-edit- spelling
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:58:00 -
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You make me sick, even if I'm no longer a pirate, quit whining. If you don't want to be pod killed or lose your ship, play Morrowind!!!
FFS, this is a MMoRPG game, there will be pvp and always pvp in a game like this. So if I were you people who whine about getting podded, look at the systems with high pod kill numbers, if you don't you shouldn't even complain because it's your fault for not being self-informed.
I want all you people who whine to think about it a little, do you want to play a game that you mine for 24/7 and do nothing else? If so, you are a hopless cause.
Oh you are so clever..
You can't see how anyone can enjoy other aspects of a game?
Having a zero in your nick doesn't help you either..
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Kazim
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kazim on 11/10/2003 12:16:02
Zraahd, I couldn't agree more.
These lame ass so called pirates, think they are some PvP elite, give me a friggin brake, if they are so good and l337 at pvp why don't they wait until the victims screen loads up and can fight back. This makes me furious just to think about it, doesn't anyone think that this is a bit unfair, that you lose your ship even before the screen loads up??
And just to top it off these elite pirates then come on these boards and whine about us just pointing out that this is wrong. You should be able to fight back.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:16:00 -
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PvP= Player Vs Player.
greifer= Player Vs Player that is one system behind his ship.
You want to have PvP but 90% of your pvp is griefing. You camp jump in points knowing that you will not even hear from your victims why is that cause by the time their system catches up they are in a new body. You want pvp then hunt your victims like you should not grief them at the jump in points. You say come and fight us!!! Well I say stay and fight like you should instead of running at the first return shot.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:21:00 -
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All of you *******s who are whining about load-up lag, how many of you actually were involved in any form of PvP?
You read on forums that someone had 1-2 harvesters amoong heavy combat drones, and you all go "omg the cheater, haxx!"
Have you seen it yourself? No. Note that a lot of "l331 PvP-ers" cannot admit that they lost a ship fair and square, but it's always due to CTD, lag, or they had NPC setup, or they were mining, whatever. I guess that of all these lag stories, maybe 5-10% are true. The rest is excuses.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 11/10/2003 12:23:21
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PvP= Player Vs Player.
greifer= Player Vs Player that is one system behind his ship.
You want to have PvP but 90% of your pvp is griefing. You camp jump in points knowing that you will not even hear from your victims why is that cause by the time their system catches up they are in a new body. You want pvp then hunt your victims like you should not grief them at the jump in points. You say come and fight us!!! Well I say stay and fight like you should instead of running at the first return shot.
When CCP implements tracking feature this might happen. Until then the only chance on catching someone is sweeping belts and camping at certain points.
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2003.10.11 13:55:00 -
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Sweeping belts? They (elite Pvp) dont do that. To much of an effort for them they rather sit and wait for sombody to show up. And if too many show up well its "CTD" time...warp to station...warp to planet...warp to anywhere but where they are now. All the time saying " ARRRGGGHHHH Too much LAG!!" ARRRGGGHHHH I have to go to the store!" If this was a true PVP game...And if they are true PVP players. It would be more fun. But it is not. See further post for the tactics you all seem to lack
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.11 14:10:00 -
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who the hell are you anyway? just mounted a gun on your merlin and feeling adventurous?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2003.10.11 14:52:00 -
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I am just a simple player who spends $12.95 a month to have fun at a game. One that said it contains Player vs Player. Well except on few occasions in the last four months of me haveing this game. I have not seen any PvP just exploits.... Harvester drones. Mulitple cans floating around gates. Anything to give the "pirates" an un fair advantage. You have no ideal how to really play in this enviorment you just use every dirty trick in the book to win. And if things look to bad like maybe a group of heavy armed battleships jumping in you run. I posted two ways to do PvP..your so lame you wont do it though. The other way is the way of the true pirates. Come in a belt in mass and "Demand tribute" or come in a blasting. Camping jump points to "Pod" anyone that jumps in is LAME....a real Sorry excuse for a person who cant play the game. I will fight in a open area. I will come to you, or wait for you to come to me. But your exploits suck! And you cant deny that either. PLAY the game and dont cheat.
SHIPS LOST:
1 Triston
2 Thorax
one clone activated.
Four player corpse in hanger
No I will not come to a system where you are sit up to use your cheats. You want a part of me then you will have to play the way your suppose to. Come hunting and we can Rock, come with your exploits and I will leave the area. You want fun, and a challange? I guess you dont cause the way the exploiters play. Do I mine? Not in a real long time. I have fun at what I do and how I do it. If your in my AO then expect me to react. Espically if your part of a corp that uses exploits.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.11 16:04:00 -
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Dude, end yourself (tm)
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.11 18:43:00 -
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Amen
This is not a hijack
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2003.10.11 20:45:00 -
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Dude, end yourself (tm)
Why should I the more time I keep the likes of you on the forum the better the game gets. One person can get you LAME players all riled up. Well then there is another, and another, and another...etc...etc see the trend more "carebears" are getting tired of your LAME crapola you "PvP" players dish out. You wont stand to fight it out. You wont go into an area with less then three battleships. You camp the gates even though people sell the bookmarks around you. And now your camping the jump in points saying this is the only way we can make money...Hell want to make some cash sell you LAME account on E-bay like the rest of the PvP players are doing. You wont get much cause you and you like minded friends have driven away the new people.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.12 01:26:00 -
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Quote:
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Dude, end yourself (tm)
Why should I the more time I keep the likes of you on the forum the better the game gets. One person can get you LAME players all riled up. Well then there is another, and another, and another...etc...etc see the trend more "carebears" are getting tired of your LAME crapola you "PvP" players dish out. You wont stand to fight it out. You wont go into an area with less then three battleships. You camp the gates even though people sell the bookmarks around you. And now your camping the jump in points saying this is the only way we can make money...Hell want to make some cash sell you LAME account on E-bay like the rest of the PvP players are doing. You wont get much cause you and you like minded friends have driven away the new people.
Cheese?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.10.12 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lottsa Pox on 12/10/2003 08:39:21
From Roshan quite extensive knowledge of PVP tactics he sit from the safety of his cowardice and spews venom anywhere he can. Who is the lamer? The ones who tries to play the game and the player provided content or the ones who hide behind the smoke screen. There is no smoke screen where we are.
Enjoy the game, I know I am and yes Roshan i pay the same amt of money you do for this game.
So I truly enjoy every minute of it. Sounds like your not to bad.
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya Pod
BioMass Cartel
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
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Melissa Badger
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Posted - 2003.10.12 10:52:00 -
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When CCP changes loading into a system (And don't doubt they won't) I can't wait to read the forums and listen to all the pirates heads exploding as they realize they can't InstaGank. I am going to keep an eye out for your whiney little post about how CCP 'killed' PvP. I hear Moo is recruiting... hahahaha
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Kazim
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Posted - 2003.10.12 12:18:00 -
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Roshan is a bit hotheaded but he is right, and if you pirates really think this camping jump-in point tactic is fair then you are idiots.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2003.10.12 17:37:00 -
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You want to have PvP but 90% of your pvp is griefing.
Yea yea, and 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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Ponder Stibbons
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Posted - 2003.10.12 18:53:00 -
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A picture really does speak a 1000 words.
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Irish
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Posted - 2003.10.12 22:31:00 -
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ROFL ponder
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Captain Tinrib
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Posted - 2003.10.12 22:43:00 -
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Agreed, pirating is part of the game. If people dont want to get killed then they should take more care when travelling
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Zraahd
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Posted - 2003.10.12 23:14:00 -
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Da da da check maps
la la your a carebear
How many jump in point camps have you broken up, luc, lottsa pox, Captain Tinrib, hhhmmm I guess none.
You say you speak from experience, no I don't think that is correct either. Your experience comes from griefing.
You provide no extra content, except laughable posts about being the best at PVP because you found yet another exploit.
I have yet to loose one ship to a pirate. I do check maps, thats how I knew where to send my alt to check out the jump in point lag.
When Tank and the rest of the greifer crew is in operation, I would love to see any of you try and go through there an load anything besides your pod, or the last few seconds of your ships structure blowing off.
Until you have done this do not post about your knowledge of the subject. Do some fact and information gathering of your own before you post.
I doubt you would call people carebears about this subject if you understood from first hand knowledge.
There is 10 seconds of invul., most clients take longer to load the area than that.
Ever wonder why there is an animation of the jump gate working and an anouncement of what you are doing by a game voice. Its things to keep you occupied while the system loads what you are going to.
The only drawback of this whole structure is that your ship pops into view at the jump in point and you sit there while all the loading takes place.
Normal time about 15 seconds for a fast load, lagged out times can take up to a minute. Lagged out times happen when your client has to load dozens of drones and many ships in the same area.
Ok so we take that information that I gathered through trial and error and tests. Now place that against what the pirates are doing. They can't touch you for 10 seconds. Fine but you are webbed and being fired on when you finally load up. Your 15 seconds of load took your inul. time and gave them 5 seconds to do anything they wanted to you. Good skills gives 2 second and below lock times. Now the lag comes in. Add time to how long they can fire, web, warp disrupt, and kill you and your pod.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.13 02:09:00 -
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Roshan is a bit hotheaded but he is right, and if you pirates really think this camping jump-in point tactic is fair then you are idiots.
Who said anything about being fair? Is it fair that you mine a defensless asteroid or shoot puny npcs in a battleship? Look at the matter in our way. You are farming npcs. We are farming you.
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Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.10.13 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lottsa Pox on 13/10/2003 08:45:46
zraahd,
nice being an alt with only five post created just a few days ago. No where in my posting have I ever said that i was an expert in PVP. No where in my posting have I ever said that i hadnt been podded. And you know what i HAVE run a Jump in blockade in Battleship. And yes we have broken up a jump in point blockade. In obe of all places.
Anything else Mr. Carebear?
Enjoy the game, I know I am. 
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Podding a system near you |
Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 09:17:00 -
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[Who said anything about being fair? Is it fair that you mine a defensless asteroid...
WTF?!? I know you pirates get lonely in unsecure space but this is nuts. What is next, your best friend is an asteroid and you are after revenge?!?
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Always Bleedin
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Posted - 2003.10.13 10:08:00 -
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Since when does a pirate have to be bound by honor, or even be fair? Pirates are not supposed to be liked or respected. Most pirates in history did not become famous because of their politeness, it was through brutal acts of terror. To put it simply a pirate gets ahead at the expence of another. If that means someone has to die in the process then fine. Insure your ships and keep an updated clone. Someone who camps a gate and only allows someone to pass by paying a toll is merely acting as a toll booth. I say shoot anyone who comes through the gate, and use any means available to get ahead. If they offer you the chance to pay a toll consider yourself lucky that they are infact being friendly. If someone has a problem with the game mechanics, then they should not blame the player. Blame the game mechanics themselves, blame yourself for not having enough ram or a good graphics card. If you play on a modem then you do not have it any worse than someone with broadband connection. Online games like this have a threshold on the bandwidth, otherwise you would not be able to connect at all. Don't be mad at the player who shot you cause you did not have enough time to get away. By posting here you are obviously aware that this could happen and you took the chance anyway. If players quit because the game is not easy enough it is because of their own hangups, not the people who blew them up. Many people do not know how hard it is to play the enemy in any game like this. If you have a problem with someones morals then do something about it and go beat the crap out of em. Other than that, I hope corps like Biomass keep slaughtering people, even if it means I could get slaughtered myself.
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Kazim
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Posted - 2003.10.13 15:24:00 -
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I'm not asking pirates to be fair in their dealings with everybody, I just want you to acknowledge that this tactic is not fair. And don't tell me it's not your fault it's the game mechanics fault.
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Always Bleedin
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Posted - 2003.10.13 15:41:00 -
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Actually I don't use that tactic. My newly found corp plans on hitting even lower. We are not exploiting mind you, but one of our members has already got an extremely bad rep after her first day out. We are very proud of her, supposedly she is on a big KOS list. We think we can do better in the coming weeks. Oh and don't blame us, blame all the carebears whining and accusing pirates of ruining the game. Screaming exploit all the time etc... We just hope to make secure space a little less carefree. Hopefully we will have a little success. It is so fun being a n00b
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:11:00 -
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And for people quitting the game because they lost a ship ... call it Darwinism.
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Serina Verity
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:19:00 -
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And for people quitting the game because they lost a ship ... call it Darwinism.
Although that doesn't do any good for CCP's bottom line.
And as soon as costs > income ... POOF!
No more Eve. Game Over.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:25:00 -
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Quote:
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And for people quitting the game because they lost a ship ... call it Darwinism.
Although that doesn't do any good for CCP's bottom line.
And as soon as costs > income ... POOF!
No more Eve. Game Over.
That my friend, is blackmail
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Serina Verity
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Serina Verity on 13/10/2003 16:36:01
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That my friend, is blackmail
Excellent one, Luc!
Seriously, I wish it was only blackmail.
It isn't. It is hard commercial reality.
For the benefit of those who say all carebears should leave, consider this: If the game doesn't make money (in some cases enough money) for the backers, it goes. Financiers, sometimes, are not a forgiving bunch.
Someone, somewhere has invested a lot of money developing this game. (And a good job they have made of it too!) They require a return. If they don't get that return, end of game.
So, carebears do have their uses after all! 
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Borghildar
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:38:00 -
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It's more often people post whinin' stuff like this and less often folks care to post something constructive, like, how to improve the game in the manner they would like.
Xen0 wrote:
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You make me sick, even if I'm no longer a pirate, quit whining. If you don't want to be pod killed or lose your ship, play Morrowind!!!
How often have one seen posts like this?
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Serina Verity
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:52:00 -
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How often have one seen posts like this?
Too often. I might even have been responsible for a whine or two myself. It happens sometimes.
To date, the best (in fact the only ) defence I have found is a very thick skin. (Since I don't own a battleship.)
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 13/10/2003 17:05:27
Yea, let's assume that people will cancel their accounts because of they got ganked at the gate or jump in (the worst, it seems). There is a number of things to consider:
- most of the whiners never really were in any form of PvP. Most of the people that actually got podded don't complain about it, but seek revenge. Conclusion: whiners = forum attention *****s.
- the same mentality that makes a carebear what it is, namely, the desire to collect (hamster) ISK and ships, is preventing him of leaving the game once he collected ISK. To him, ISK is a real-life currency.
- if, however, the worst omens become true, and people leave Eve in insane numbers due to PvP, and if the CCP closes book on this one, CCP has learned a lesson: İf you want to advertise a game as pvp, make it possible.
Pirates as such are playing inside the frame and by means defined by CCP. What most people dont understand is that pirates are not fair, just, nice, romantic or any of those attributes that people complained they lack.
The belief, however, that a pirate should have such attributes, comes from overly romantic portrait of a pirate, as provided by Hollywood. In that sense, getting ganked in Eve, might serve in educational purposes and sort of a training for real life.
That is what the depth of MMORPG is all about, not chat with monsters, but player - player interaction in full scale, including hostile actions, sorrow, grief, anger, etc.
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Zraahd
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Posted - 2003.10.13 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Zraahd on 13/10/2003 18:20:35
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Edited by: Lottsa Pox on 13/10/2003 08:45:46
zraahd,
nice being an alt with only five post created just a few days ago. No where in my posting have I ever said that i was an expert in PVP. No where in my posting have I ever said that i hadnt been podded. And you know what i HAVE run a Jump in blockade in Battleship. And yes we have broken up a jump in point blockade. In obe of all places.
Anything else Mr. Carebear?
Enjoy the game, I know I am.
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
Why would I post things in a forum like this with infomation that is real fact with my alt? My main Character is not needed in the spot light. You using your main Character is your choice. I have my reasons and you do too.
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Blame the game mechanics themselves, blame yourself for not having enough ram or a good graphics card. If you play on a modem then you do not have it any worse than someone with broadband connection. Online games like this have a threshold on the bandwidth, otherwise you would not be able to connect at all.
All of the information in my post was tested with a Dual 2 ghz motherboard, second tier cable modem (faster than basic cable modem), and a radeon 9600 graphics card (128 MB). So you tell me, is that a fast enough load time for finding facts about why I call something that players do (not all are pirates) an exploit? Isn't an exploit the use of game mechanics in an unintended way; to gain an unfair advantage over other players.
I'm not stupid enough to fall for camping. I setup everytime I go out as if I was going to run into one (when traveling). Even though I check maps and talk to people in my group that have gone through the area.
Point taken that you have broken up camps before Lottsa Pox. My main point was the testing, have you done any of it at all?
I didn't want to believe that the jump in camping was an exploit at first. Because my main character has done it before when our group locked down a system. Now that I know it is an exploit I will not do it again. I will not be a part of ganking someones ship this way. I want them to at least have a chance to fight back. Then it comes down to character skills and use of player skills. Thats what PVP is all about, thats what makes it fun. Me putting my character and my player skills against another players is what makes me stay with this game.
Jump in point exploiters are using game mechanics to have no risk to themselves. That would get very boring to me. CCP knows that this is a problem and instead of calling it an exploit we will just see a fix come down the line to change it. They would have so many petitions in the first hour it would be funny as hell.
Now bring forward any direct evidence to the table about my previous post (the post that I described my testing in). I would like to see anyone that can actually use real information to change my opinion. If you can't then do your normal name calling, its expected.
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Always Bleedin
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:05:00 -
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Your reply was to Lottsa Pox but you used part of my post you spinster
So you tested it with a dual processor board with blah blah blah blah blah. Dual processor won't give you any boost in a game either unless it is designed for multithreading (ie SWG which I heard sux but may be perfect for all the "carebears"). I made that post because of all the people I see in forums blaming it on their connection. Don't quote my posts and try to spin them as an attack on someone else. Anyways back to topic
How is it an exploit if CCP knows it exists but do not consider it illegal themselves? People need to be careful when they throw out the word "exploit" as it is starting to seem like people are crying wolf lately. Everything is an exploit. One could argue that the only true exploit is that of exploiting the stupidity of the people who continually fall for the same trap.
As far as turning people away from the game goes. These constant whine fests can be read by potential subscribers who can be turned away because they assume from reading this game sucks. It gave me second thoughts but I wanted to give Eve a try long before it was released. I finally got in the position last month and I love this game. It has its problems, but what game doesn't. I love the talk coming out of people about this game like it is an old game. It has not even been released for what??? 6 months? Don't go counting beta cause that does not count. It takes time for games to get going, and this game is still young.
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Zraahd
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Zraahd on 13/10/2003 20:44:48
Always Bleedin stated:
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Your reply was to Lottsa Pox but you used part of my post you spinster
So you tested it with a dual processor board with blah blah blah blah blah. Dual processor won't give you any boost in a game either unless it is designed for multithreading (ie SWG which I heard sux but may be perfect for all the "carebears"). I made that post because of all the people I see in forums blaming it on their connection. Don't quote my posts and try to spin them as an attack on someone else. Anyways back to topic
How is it an exploit if CCP knows it exists but do not consider it illegal themselves? People need to be careful when they throw out the word "exploit" as it is starting to seem like people are crying wolf lately. Everything is an exploit. One could argue that the only true exploit is that of exploiting the stupidity of the people who continually fall for the same trap.
As far as turning people away from the game goes. These constant whine fests can be read by potential subscribers who can be turned away because they assume from reading this game sucks. It gave me second thoughts but I wanted to give Eve a try long before it was released. I finally got in the position last month and I love this game. It has its problems, but what game doesn't. I love the talk coming out of people about this game like it is an old game. It has not even been released for what??? 6 months? Don't go counting beta cause that does not count. It takes time for games to get going, and this game is still young.
Sorry I offended you so badly Bleedin. It wasn't meant to be an attack or a spin, if you read the entire thread you would know who wrote the quote. Most people do not even include who wrote what in any post. I try to most of the time when I quote. If you read the above quote Lottsa had placed character name at the end of it, you did not. My mistake for not including your name......
I do know what a dual processor is for. I have it for the reason that I am also a 3d graphic designer. Most of the programs I use are multi threaded programs. I put my system information in because you questioned it, in a round about way (I did not know who's system you were refering to since it was such a generalized statement). So like I said bring forward some real information. Your entire post contained nothing that could make your claims correct. I tested and I placed that information in with my conclusion. You have no supporting facts to back up anything you say. I am not attacking you just trying to get you to respond with real facts not suppositions.
I stated my idea for the reason as to why CCP hasn't called it an exploit yet. Its because too many people are doing it. CCP would be flooded with petitions within the first hour. They would have to punish so many people it would be crazy, if they ever got to them all. CCP does not do this because it would massively hurt the flow of the game as it stands right now. They would not be able to handle the increase in petitions, they say they can barely keep up now. CCP does this to many problems each patch. This just happens to be one of big discusion lately.
This is the first time I have actively posted on a subject and the first time I have called something an exploit. If you look over the facts completely and understood all that is being done you would say that it fits the definition also. Any other response is not accepting the facts as they have been presented. If you can prove otherwise be my guest. You will find that my test results will be very close for most users. Like I said before mine were averages, it will not be the same for everyone but it will be close.
You are completely right about one thing. This game is very young. I am not a carebear for pointing out a huge problem. People on both sides of the fence are being caught by this tactic. I never stated what side I was on. |
Ponder Stibbons
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And for people quitting the game because they lost a ship ... call it Darwinism.
Although that doesn't do any good for CCP's bottom line.
And as soon as costs > income ... POOF!
No more Eve. Game Over.
Serina, you shot yourself in the foot here.
Facts: you're a carebear, you whine on these boards about pirates, and how pvp is exploiting and not fair blabla. .
Bottom line is: You're still here.
You havn't quit the game yet, and like many carebears with you, you don't actually quit the game because of pirating - you quit because you own 4 battleships, 7 cruisers and EVE is void of content.
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Always Bleedin
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:33:00 -
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Zraahd
Is everything about you? Your main must be a pirate cause you have the ego to go with it. Probably why you are posting on an alt as you do not want it to ruin your rep with your pirate friends.
If you actually read my posts you would see that my comments are made to a general audience. Except the fact that i called you a spinster. You did invite people to call you names (who could resist). I did not call you a carebear, maybe someone else did. What part of what I said is not facts. That there could be a problem in the mechanics, if not people may have too little resources? Or the fact that this game has a threshold so very few broadband users don't eat up all the bandwidth?
There is no need for me to go out and test everything and give you a personal benchmark on jumpgate timing. I accept the fact that you very well could be right. My point is that the player did not design the game, the player plays what is given to the player. So there is three options remaining. Blame CCP, whine about the player, or go out and grief the so called exploiting griefers yourself and try to make the game unenjoyable for them. Infact I am sure they would welcome the challenge, and have fun even if it is running. You might actually have fun using their own tactics against them. You see that is a great thing about pvp games, you can take the law into your own hands, unfortunately most people who complain in games like this do not see the plus side of being able to take the law into their own hands.
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Zraahd
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Zraahd on 13/10/2003 22:17:34
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Zraahd
Is everything about you? Your main must be a pirate cause you have the ego to go with it. Probably why you are posting on an alt as you do not want it to ruin your rep with your pirate friends.
If you actually read my posts you would see that my comments are made to a general audience. Except the fact that i called you a spinster. You did invite people to call you names (who could resist). I did not call you a carebear, maybe someone else did. What part of what I said is not facts. That there could be a problem in the mechanics, if not people may have too little resources? Or the fact that this game has a threshold so very few broadband users don't eat up all the bandwidth?
There is no need for me to go out and test everything and give you a personal benchmark on jumpgate timing. I accept the fact that you very well could be right. My point is that the player did not design the game, the player plays what is given to the player. So there is three options remaining. Blame CCP, whine about the player, or go out and grief the so called exploiting griefers yourself and try to make the game unenjoyable for them. Infact I am sure they would welcome the challenge, and have fun even if it is running. You might actually have fun using their own tactics against them. You see that is a great thing about pvp games, you can take the law into your own hands, unfortunately most people who complain in games like this do not see the plus side of being able to take the law into their own hands.
You read way too much into what someone is trying to say. I never said you called me anything, but you did say spinster. It was a statement about why I was saying something about this problem.
As for you yourself you will never know who my main is, or for what reason I do not post with it. Have fun with your group. I have heard many a new pilot jump in the game right about where you are and say the same things you are saying. I hope your group makes it and does not fall apart like so many others.
I am blaming CCP for it. CCP is doing just what I would expect them to do. Don't take them not proclaiming its an exploit as gospel. They have to do a balancing act of players vs. customer service time.
Taking the law into your own hands is a must. I reside in 0.0 its a lawless area. If you do not take the law into your own hands, who will. Thats what 0.0 is all about.
Now bringing the griefing back to the griefers is a bit different. Jump in point camping is killing all who enter. Doesn't work if you are just out to grief the griefers. If you took the time to look at it completely you would understand. Most of the time you do not know who the ship belongs to that you are firing at (checking info takes valuable time from killing someone before autopilot warps them away).
Also in time you will understand that the griefers do not stick around to fight. They warp and log. I can't blame them for doing this, CCP lets them with the game mechanics. So even chasing a smart griefer is out of the question. Because a smart griefer warps to an in-between area and logs.
All who say that griefing like this is not easy do not know how easy it is to run when your jump in point camping is being broken up. A smart camper of either side of good or evil is risking nothing. The jump point camp is still just an instant ship gank for small groups or single players jumping in.
When you warp out of an area no one can target you that did not have target lock before you clicked for warp. Everyone has that 10 seconds for deciding that, except at jump in points. That is the point that I have really been trying to get people to understand.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:30:00 -
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Lighten up people. I'm declaring a new holiday. "Adopt-A-Care Bear" day. Where griefers, exploiters, pirates, vigilantes, n00bs, miners, ore stealers, mercenaries, bounty hunters, terrorists, religeous fanatics, whiners, AFKrs, Care Bears and everyone in between puts down their differences and just gets along. Where the strains of "Kumbaya" melodically float around quaint little campfires. Where Amarrians and Minmatars give each other big hugs. Ah yes the joyous harmony of it all!
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Always Bleedin
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:40:00 -
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We will work our way out that direction eventually and see first hand. I admit that I may not know all the facts, but I just hate to see people whine about players when their real beef is design flaws in games.
As far as our group goes. We will last in one form or another. The majority of us have been playing as a group in other games for a very loooong time, and have made it to the top. There are a few more transplants to eve expected. That being said, this is a new game and our previous accomplishments mean nothing until we prove ourselves. The best thing we can do is try things out first hand and learn from our mistakes. We do not care about our rep (unless it is good, we hate good reputations), we play for the enjoyment of our group. If it does not work it does not work, we will find other ways to have fun on eve.
Bottom line, that is what other players should do. If you are not having fun, change things up a little and make your own fun. If it is still impossible then move on to another game, you do have that right.
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Patricide
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Posted - 2003.10.13 23:46:00 -
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LAG EXPLOITS!!!
First! I am not a PK
Second! I am still pretty new to the game.
Third! If you want to ***** about lag then try picking up the 5 billion secure containers you have sitting in 1.0 space AND stop putting containers with ads for your corp next to the freaking stations. I am sick of warping to a damn belt, taking a minute to load, and seeing nothing but 50 secure containers and 5 little astroids because some huge mining corp does not want to pick up there containers. Then when I finally do get a full load warping back to the station to see ads for seven differnt corps.
If you want to cpmplain that these people are "EXPLOITING" lag then don't go to systems were they are. But if you are complaining about there lag then clean up the lag you cause in secure space with your ads and your containers.
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Ponder Stibbons
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Posted - 2003.10.14 00:25:00 -
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If you want to ***** about lag then try picking up the 5 billion secure containers you have sitting in 1.0 space AND stop putting containers with ads for your corp next to the freaking stations.
Exactly.
Remove secure cans from the game, they're lagging the hell outtha me.If you're going to whine about someone using drones.His ship has drone space for petes sake, he's not supposed to use it because of lag?
The ore thief arguement doesn't stick..
1)Its law of salvage.you drop something into space, it now belongs to the next person to pick it up-tuff. (this goes for real life too, by the way.)
2)you have guns, mines and torpedo's at your disposal, i suggest you use them.If you don't know how to kill someone in 0.5-1.0 i suggest you get some tactics, it is very possible.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2003.10.14 01:42:00 -
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Do i have a sexy sig or what?
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Ponder Stibbons
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Posted - 2003.10.14 04:17:00 -
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Do i have a sexy sig or what?
i wub j00 sigz0r.
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xpero
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Posted - 2003.10.14 05:59:00 -
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i can't believe threads like this actually get some feedback. what is it, like a hundredth time a post with the same content is posted ?
upsetting to see junk like this litter the forums 
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Othnark
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Posted - 2003.10.14 06:09:00 -
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PvP= Player Vs Player.
greifer= Player Vs Player that is one system behind his ship.
You want to have PvP but 90% of your pvp is griefing. You camp jump in points knowing that you will not even hear from your victims why is that cause by the time their system catches up they are in a new body. You want pvp then hunt your victims like you should not grief them at the jump in points. You say come and fight us!!! Well I say stay and fight like you should instead of running at the first return shot.
Im sorry Roshan, but even people who die after they engage you complain and whine about being griefed. This is out of control. 90% of the PvP they want is not griefing, thats just what carebears define it as because they dont want to be held accountable for their own actions.
-Othnark
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