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Anyanka Chantais Gallente Legitimate Businessmen's Social Club	Posted - 2006.08.15 11:40:00 - [61] i know, i know, i've decided to withdraw my isk, consider the 15 mil cally lost before vanishing a loss and quit caring, but i just have to share this one with you. anyone else ever seen "Fawlty Towers"? "I could run this hotel PROPERLY if it weren't for the guests!" we now return you to your regularly scheduled... whatever this has become. _______________________________________________ Now offering writing and editing services. Trusted broker of the EVE Galactic Stock Exchange.
robacz Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.15 11:41:00 - [62] Originally by: Taurequis Originally by: robacz Heh great story, I doubt anyone sane can believe it, but good read/laugh. Imo its just very stupid way how to remove Cally character and install Kal character, however as someone said, if it was a pure scam, story would be already over. I hope everyone will get their money back, however continuing with EIB(I) business with all what happend seems to be very crazy idea. On the other hand if we take this whole thing as NOT a scam surely the hard work of all the staff members (yes they are different people OMG not all Cally's alts) and their will to make it suceed would be a good enough reason to keep trying... That and to proove Currin wrong after all the ** he has thrown at them... I'm still waiting for Cally to get back (get out ) just to give a big FU to CT. Now that would be a fun thread to be in.. My opinion on EIB is close to Bermag's posted above, so I dont think it was/is pure scam as Currin claimed. But how this business can ever continue as public bank? After all what was said, after EMFI audit fiasco, after this Kal/Cally person charade? How can anyone ever trust them again? The way how Kal posts alone is imho good enough reason to stay away from them. Either way, it seems they dont need public money anymore, so I guess there is no problem (as long as they pay everyone who is willing to quit). In my eyes, creditibility of EIB is below zero, not becouse of Currin or other sceptics, but ONLY becouse of Cally and his serie of mistakes and lies. ___________ Buying/Selling: Implants, Cargo Expanders** and more
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 11:47:00 - [63] Do you have any idea how much the bank is worth without public money? No you don't but I do. Without public money the rate at which we can generate more income is lowered but all profits are profits regardless. We only actually make in the region of 3b isk per 50b public money after interest and other costs have been paid per month. 50b bank money makes us almost 10b per month so you can see why I'm not in the slightest bothered about people removing their money. There is only now around 50b public money left in the bank from almost 350b 2 months ago. After all is said and done and we have total accounts withdrawl (should that be the case) and every single investor is paid off the bank will be worth in the region of 200-300b isk of which I will control. This does not include around 200b that remains on Cally. So all in all you can say this has been a sucessful venture in regards to making isk from nothing.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.15 12:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Kal D'vogh I appreciate your point on this matter but revealing atleast on of my mains whould jeopordise operations of a corporation under our control, and as such it is impossible for me do that. Hi, Just quickly coming back to this point... Your saying above the bank seems to be in good shape..That you don't need the bank personal or corp deposits to keep going, that investors can get their money back.. So no real damage to rep would fall on your main from what.... Who would telling us your main's name jeapodise his workings? I don't understand how this would be so... Your trying to do a good thing here. Helping peeps out etc, getting Cally out of a mess. IS it that your main is an ebil pirate and needs to stay a nasty guy or sommit? It just puzzles me on why any other aspect of eve play would be adversly effected by revealing a simple character name and doing a wave post after it here. It is not as if less then 0.25% of the total community actually will read this post. Best Regards, Taurequis p.s Sorry for coming back to the same point. I just feel its unresolved.
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 12:15:00 - [65] http://www.eve-wallstreet.com/scam/screen%20shot.PNG If Kal isnt cally then he is braking rules by signing on callys, account, becouse isnt cally in jail or something.. umm. BTW the EIB offi char is on the Cally account.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.15 12:33:00 - [66] Originally by: Mung Lore http://www.eve-wallstreet.com/scam/screen%20shot.PNG If Kal isnt cally then he is braking rules by signing on callys, account, becouse isnt cally in jail or something.. umm. BTW the EIB offi char is on the Cally account. TBH screenshots can be faked. However, if people can be bothered to look back over some of the old posts involving Kal/Cally even the most skeptical out there will soon realise that Cally and Kal are indeed the same person. Even the hostility and insults spouted by Kal strike a remarkable similarity to Cally's when she went on that power trip and posted about how she was going to "win eve". It makes perfect sense too if you think about it. Cally has been totally discredited and no longer holds any trust from any sane person and thus has become expendable. So how convienient it is that this Kal character can come along with a clean slate, pick up EIB where Cally left it and seemingly have access to almost everything and take charge in such a dictorial way. But don't worry. Since Kal is really Cally it won't be long before she starts to dig herself into another little hole, no doubt starts reeling off one lame excuses after another, and before you know it we'll be reading about Kal's run of extreme bad luck and fantastic fairy stories. Keep watching these threads. Its going to happen, I promise
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.15 12:37:00 - [67] Originally by: Mung Lore http://www.eve-wallstreet.com/scam/screen%20shot.PNG If Kal isnt cally then he is braking rules by signing on callys, account, becouse isnt cally in jail or something.. umm. BTW the EIB offi char is on the Cally account. Urg, Looks like Mung has a point there Kal. I think you mentioned earlier you are using Cally's account, is that right cos you may be in trouble with the GM's then? Or if your Cally you will be ok... Either way I think you might be in a touch more difficult to sort stuff out then you originally planned. Mung's put you in a difficult position alright... Either admit you are using Cally's accounts and face a ban (EVE Jail). or Admit you are Cally and are not in a real Jail (get the fire retardant suit out now). Best Regards, Taurequis
Kerushi Caldari JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.08.15 12:41:00 - [68] Edited by: Kerushi on 15/08/2006 12:44:15 Originally by: Mung Lore http://www.eve-wallstreet.com/scam/screen%20shot.PNG If Kal isnt cally then he is braking rules by signing on callys, account, becouse isnt cally in jail or something.. umm. BTW the EIB offi char is on the Cally account. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371244 http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=371244 Originally by: Cally All remaining shares and assets belonging to the UEMA that are held by the EIB will be transferred to a trusted 3rd party as per the conditions of the contract and to finalise our involvement in the UEMA.
Bermag Point-Zero	Posted - 2006.08.15 12:53:00 - [69] This has all been fascinating and interesting, but I have started to worry about the whole EIB story (or if not this incident maybe some other) might escalate into something worse. Eve is just a game but some people might take it to serious and beside that IS is worth real money as well. IGE is currently selling 1 billion ISK for $170. 500 billion ISK is a lot of real money (assuming it can be easily sold though). When real money get involved, well things might turn real bad. People have been hurt or even killed for a lot less than that... I love that almost everything is allowed in Eve and that scamming is part of the game. But it might get out of control and I have started to feel that CCP should step in before something bad really happens (and I don't talk about players loosing some ISK).
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 12:59:00 - [70] I will confirm the character in question has been accessed by myself. Here are the particulars of that account. * The account holds 1 character. * The account was created with isk from the bank via a gametime code. * The registered owner of the account is of an ingame corporation 100% under the EIB control. * The email registered is one that can be used by directors through the EIB database. All other particulars mean this account is owned by an ingame entity and not a real life person. Any EIB director with sufficient rights can access this account due to the nature of its ownership. Nothing in the EULA has prevented us from doing this nor is it a breach of those same EULA guidelines.
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:00:00 - [71] Edited by: Mung Lore on 15/08/2006 13:01:54 that doesnt work that way kal, Cally made that account, he owns it not you.
Banni Vinda EnfuRia Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:01:00 - [72] Edited by: Banni Vinda on 15/08/2006 13:02:56 Originally by: Kal D'vogh All other particulars mean this account is owned by an ingame entity and not a real life person. Any EIB director with sufficient rights can access this account due to the nature of its ownership. Nothing in the EULA has prevented us from doing this nor is it a breach of those same EULA guidelines. /me imagines a thousand legal monkeys examining the EULA... EDIT: "Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities." Is an 'ingame entity' a 'natural person'? Let the debate commence...
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:03:00 - [73] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Do you have any idea how much the bank is worth .. 3b isk per 50b That's actually one of the main problems. We don't know that much; most of the information we've got is from what you have claimed. EMFI was given some inadequate proof, but once he wanted to dig deeper, he was shut out. Originally by: Kal D'vogh sucessful Now now, be careful there.. Originally by: Kal D'vogh making isk from nothing. It might have been the point in the beginning..but what it is now? Why indeed EIB keeps fighting the battle; what goals there are left to achieve? Will we have the finale in this season? -Lasse repeating the same old words
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:03:00 - [74] Edited by: Kal D''vogh on 15/08/2006 13:03:09 An employee of the EIB created the account for the EIB. The account owner is the EIB, not a single person.
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:05:00 - [75] "Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies. Players may not create, promote or be a member of a group that violates the policies outlined herein. Membership or participation in such a group may result in character deletion, temporary suspension or termination of a subscriberÆs account." http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:06:00 - [76] Edited by: Kal D''vogh on 15/08/2006 13:06:13 Originally by: Banni Vinda "Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities." Is an 'ingame entity' a 'natural person'? Let the debate commence... Establish an account is one thing. Owning one is another. End of debate
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:09:00 - [77] "Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities." http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
Clementina God's of Eve	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:09:00 - [78] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Edited by: Kal D''vogh on 15/08/2006 13:06:13 Originally by: Banni Vinda "Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities." Is an 'ingame entity' a 'natural person'? Let the debate commence... Establish an account is one thing. Owning one is another. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited. End of debate There, I fixed it for you.
robacz Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:12:00 - [79] Quote: Sharing an account (or a character) with another person is against the EVE-Online End User License Agreement (EULA). See section 2A, paragraph 3. If a corporation purchases a character, then the character will (obviously) need to go to a person who is a member of that corporation. And according to the current EULA, only that person may use the character. It is not possible to "share" a character for a corporation, as this would involve various people logging into an account and sharing account details (another breach of the EULA). There are numerous reasons why account sharing is not permitted, many of which are abuse related. Kristo - if you would like additional confirmation, please file a petition ingame with your question and one of the members of the GM team will get back to you. -Jacques' by Jacques Archambault from ISD http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=368610#5194876 ___________ Buying/Selling: Implants, Cargo Expanders and more
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:15:00 - [80] thank you robacz
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:28:00 - [81] I think you should petition the GM's to put a freeze on that account ASAP before Kal D'vogh / Cally empties it of all its assets. Its a clear breach of EULA rules what they're doing so you stand a good chance of getting your stuff back.
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:29:00 - [82] it has been done, e-mail send to mod to lock this.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:30:00 - [83] The character was not purchased it was created. That situation there was in regards to a corporation purchasing the character and then transfering it to an account owned by a real life entity. A comment from a forum moderator does not make it law. He works on the information he is given an interprets it best he can. The EULA is a binding contract, and although it may appear the EULA has been broken, we have created the account and usage of it that are within EULA guidelines. The only entity accessing the account is the EIB. The only owner of the account is the EIB. There is nothing that says an ingame corporation cannot own an account. Character maybe, but not account. Your wasting your time. Because the EULA does not define specificly entities that can own, use, or establish an account, the user is therefore responsible for making his/her own judgement in this case. This character I am using now is infact an EIB bot. His only purpose is to be part of the EIB working machine and therefore is the EIB - the owner of the account in question.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:32:00 - [84] There will be no lock of the accounts or removal of posting privelidges. No EULA has been broken i'm afraid.
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:32:00 - [85] "Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities." http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:35:00 - [86] Originally by: Kal D'vogh There will be no lock of the accounts or removal of posting privelidges. No EULA has been broken i'm afraid. What part of the following don't you understand? "You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited." I highlighted the part you fail to grasp.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:35:00 - [87] Yes the key word. Establish. Not own.
Mung Lore United Eve Mining Association	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:40:00 - [88] Kal give it a brake dude, your broke rules GM should be doing something about this soon. Nothing you can say will face the facts that what you did wont worng.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:43:00 - [89] You will see. Nothing will become of this because EULA has not been breached.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:43:00 - [90] Edited by: Pete Wilson on 15/08/2006 13:45:13 Allow me to quote myself from not more than 2 hours ago..... Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't worry. Since Kal is really Cally it won't be long before she starts to dig herself into another little hole, no doubt starts reeling off one lame excuses after another, and before you know it we'll be reading about Kal's run of extreme bad luck and fantastic fairy stories. Keep watching these threads. Its going to happen, I promise .....And thus, the digging begins..... Originally by: Kal D'vogh The account has one user, and that is the EIB. Having a different character log into it is no different from using your left arm one day then your right the next. It is still the EIB accessing the account, who is of course the owner.

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