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Malverious Prime
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.15 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Malverious Prime on 15/08/2006 23:58:44 I agree with the Brain... I dont think i could say it in anymore concise terms...
Another point we should all remember is the wide generational gap in this game, players from 16 - 60+. Sure the word retard offends you, but so did womens ankles shown in public, but you got over that didnt ya?! (more of a p1ss take, but you get my point ay?) 
Edit: down with censorship!
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:00:00 -
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What you may or may not find offensive is meaningless.
What the majority may or may not find offensive is also meaningless.
You people need to grow a thicker skin. Seriously.
I think it's fine that you asked him to stop, and when he didn't, you should have podded him. Just to prove a point.
But getting bent out of shape by something like this is a big waste of time and energy.
To each their own I guess. My policy is live and let live. But then again, I've been on the internet since it started, and the internet is one of the best places on earth to be highly offended. You get over it or you go away. Its really your call.
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Firane
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:20:00 -
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To be honest, though, people get too worked up over this stuff. You should be more angry at them because they sucked at smacking in local, not because he used the word 'retarded', which originally had nothing to do with mental handicap-ness in the first place.
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:32:00 -
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It seems that on one hand, the world is becoming ever more crass and uncivilized. While on the other hand, people are becoming increasingly sensitive to everything....including a cartoon head in a sea of 20,000, in a worldwide MMO, calling other random cartoon heads "Retarded", without any context whatsoever.
I find it odd that generally, a persons' or groups' offense carries an inference that the source is always wrong, or out of touch and needs to be modified to reflect the prevailing correct speech....whatever that is.
Does the young guy calling you retarded, make you retarded? No, he is showing everyone in local that he is the kind of person that needs to call people names to feel better......sad really. One might call that a mental deficiency. Maybe he can't help it. Given this need, he is probably flying around some other system calling other people retarded.
You on the other hand, are using your obviously intact intellect to post a description of your negative emotions, surrounding the speech from the type of person that you pretend to defend with pious offense. Meanwhile, gathering as many people to your way of thinking as to ensure his being wrong, and you being right.
So, who is retarded?
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Dao 2
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:39:00 -
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gonna be blunt here ;p
when i say the word retarded i am in no way referring to a person with a mental handicap ;p to me its a stronger way of saying "ur acting stupid" not "u were born with mental defeciences and or a low iq hahaha" ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Scag Head
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:43:00 -
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Political correctness is the language of ********s. If you want to be real picky, just read the definition of the word before coming whining to the forums.
Retard: To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede.
Therefore, Retarded: To be delayed.
Still offended? If the answer is yes, you need to grow a pair. Hell, if your offended by something as simple as the word retarded, you're going to have serious social problems in life, unless you never get let out of the home of course.
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Hitomi Ayame
Amarr Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
By extrapolation, I assume you support 100% freedom of speech? By which I mean the freedom of any extremist, from any faith, race or country to be able to say what they like against any faith or race or country, because it's 'immature' to oppose that?
Personally, I consider words that are offensive about the handicapped to be as serious as abuse of creed, country or faith.
As an American, I support the U.S. Constitution and the Supreme Court's upholding of its ideals. That yes, anyone from any faith, race, creed, or country has the absolute right to say what they like about any other faith, race, creed, or country, regardless of how offensive someone may find it. It may make the speaker look like a complete and total jerk, but it is still within their right to speak their mind.
However, in this current situation, we have made an agreement with CCP that, while playing their game, we submit to their rules regarding profanity, slurs, and other offensive speech. We make this agreement of our own free will, understanding the rules in place and the consequences of breaking those rules. In your case, you should have petitioned him. Then it's in CCP's hands to decide whether their rules regarding offensive speech, which he, by playing EVE, agrees to follow, were broken, and to subesquently deal with it.
Personally, when someone makes a derogatory mark in reference to a certain sexual orientation, I find it offensive. I do my best to speak with the person and let them know my feelings, and that what they are doing is in violation of the rules that they agreed to. I've yet to have to petition someone for it, and hope that I never will.
Of course, outside of EVE, I will defend their right to call me a****. - - -
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Scag Head
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Posted - 2006.08.16 00:55:00 -
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Someone lock this thread.....it's retarded.
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Malverious Prime
ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:00:00 -
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I was thinking of writing a big speil about how absurdly unorginal and pointless this thread is... but then i thought... man i am a sucker. 
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:03:00 -
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Personally, I use far worse insults in everyday life. I get pretty sick of people bleating about how they're offended by stuff and whining about their poor hurt feelings. Ah bless your little cotton socks, you poor little lambs. Honestly, if you can't cope with someone having a mild dig at you, what on earth are you going to do when something really bad happens to you? |

Scag Head
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:11:00 -
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I'm offended by getting ganked......please ban it.
Other than that, this topic is offending my right to read the forums freely and should be moved to Out of Pod. It has no place in general discussion.
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Gift
Amarr Loot
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Gift Grow up, it may be childish to call people silly names but it is no less childish to be hurt by such names.
Let me make sure I fully understand your point here. If someone calls me an offensive name, and I am offended, it is simply my duty to accept it as the 'mature' thing to do, rather than to make a stand on a principle?
You are not standing on principal, atleast not one to be proud of. What you stand for is Censorship. If I want to call you a retard I have every right. Just as CCP has the right to ban me for calling you a retard, but I still won't give a damn if you're offended. Freedom is Fun *\o/*
Originally by: General Windypops By extrapolation, I assume you support 100% freedom of speech? By which I mean the freedom of any extremist, from any faith, race or country to be able to say what they like against any faith or race or country, because it's 'immature' to oppose that?
It's not wrong to oppose it, it's wrong to silence it. Retard.
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Scag Head
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:18:00 -
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I just found a sig...thanks gift....
Quote: It's not wrong to oppose it, it's wrong to silence it. Retard.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.16 02:01:00 -
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I am all for getting rid of the word "retard" (this means I don't need to do any physics for retarding forces, right?) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |

Yurii Chan
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Posted - 2006.08.16 03:23:00 -
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lmao ever heard of the phrase "sticks and stones"?
if you are offended by the mere use of the word retarded, well, wow... you leave me speechless
i try to keep the serious words out of local chat *thanks to a 24 hour gag for using a four letter word* but retarded and stupid and whatnot are all at the bottom of the "no-no" list...
in any case, i wanted to type up an entire post about censorship and the offense principle (read court papers on 2 live crew and their 1989 court issues if you'd like to know more) but i have needs for a bundle of sticks (few will get that joke)
freedom rules... even tho i dont agree with Hate speech and whatnot
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.16 03:33:00 -
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The unprecedented level of "HOORAY FOR CENSORSHIP! RAH RAH RAH!" in this thread is making me violently ill; I'm sneezing, breaking out in a rash, and will shortly begin vomiting uncontrollably. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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skilzrulz
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Posted - 2006.08.16 05:23:00 -
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@ OP read: http://www.maddox.xmission.com
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.16 05:26:00 -
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This thread reinforces my belief that everyone who uses the term deserves to be labeled with it.
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Makaera Koshito
Caldari Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.16 05:44:00 -
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In RL, we only call our friends retarded when we are busting their chops, and we call folks (particularly ones we don't like) retarded behind their backs when they do something stupid. Most folks don't use that word to describe someone they don't really know to their face.
It always amazes me what people think they can say to each other on the internet simply because no one is there to punch them in the face for saying it.
Also, the rampant misinformation about retardation in this thread is not really shocking, but really just sad. And don't even get me started on Censorship and how any society that thinks... erg... must... resist... urge... to... write... more.
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elliona
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Posted - 2006.08.16 05:44:00 -
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This entire thread is retarded!
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Dorgeo
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.16 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dorgeo on 16/08/2006 06:20:17 Maybe this will help.I am from the UK. One of my sons is mentally and physically disabled,he has downsyndrome and the use of the word retarded to me used to be a direct attack at people like my son,calling someone retarded was mocking the disabled. After visiting relatives in the USA and Canada i heard the word thrown around a lot more commonly,not as a direct attack at the disabled or to mock them but more so used as "slang" for stupid,silly,daft etc etc.Yeah the word over in the UK Is taken more strongly as being offensive,but we use words over here that other nations may find offensive also.We have to accept people take on other countries,how can i put it "trends" if you like,this includes words,phrases,dress etc.I now accept the word in a different manner,not as an insult,merely "slang". For someone to deliberatly use it to smacktalk,yeah he was simply trying to be offensive,but in general calling someone retarded these days,in general is most likely meant no more ofensive than calling someone a noob.ie your smacktaker..
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.08.16 06:40:00 -
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This thread is retarded 
If you don't understand why, thats your problem....
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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.08.16 06:42:00 -
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Most retarded thread. Ever.
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Surrat Bintau
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Posted - 2006.08.16 08:50:00 -
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As some people have already said.
Being "offended" means nothing.
You are offended at people being rude and insulting. I am offended at your support of censorship.
Now in this case who's feelings are more important? Who's opinion do we support and start legislation. If they support me, you get screwed. If they support you I do.
Dealing with humans is taking for granted that not all of them are going to do things that make you happy. The real question is does it hurt you? And I don't mean "Boo hoo he called me names" hurt. I mean does it in any way impede you from living your life as you see fit.
The fact is that although retarded has come to be derogatory, it is also true as applies to people with mental handicaps.
re+tard ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-tSrd) v. re+tard+ed, re+tard+ing, re+tards v. tr. 1. To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede.
So whaa you don't like it. I don't like that I have to be at work right now and not at home playing EVE. We don't always get what we want.
Nor should we.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.16 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 16/08/2006 09:13:15
Originally by: General Windypops
I'm curious - what do other people in the community think. Is the word 'retarded' any less offensive than derogatory words against people from certain religious or racial background?
In my humble opinion:
Yes, using the word "retarted" is probably not politically correct and its a deragatory (sp?) term for the mentally handicapped.
But: This is a computer game with people from all over the marble. This means that people in local chat are affected by the usual chat phaenomena where its easy for some people to smack because their identity is obscured and they are not having all other visual and such cues of a regular conversation, its text only.
You might also find that non-english people are sometimes more inclined to use use certain phrases. In real life for instance I find myself sometimes using terms such as *****-up to describe something thats broken, which my American manager or most colleagues would not usually use. Whether that has to do with learning english as a second language, picking up a good part of it from films and novels, or the insistence on not swearing not being as big a deal in my local area or personal education as in other peoples cultural circles or upbringing I dunno.
There are more cultural differences, i.e. the Dutch people arround me will sometimes tell you to (translated) "get cancer", which would probably be considered much more severe by an American than by another Dutch in an argument. The British use comparatively more sexual degratory (sp? again) terms in swaring, the Dutch have a habit of using diseases, and so on.
Take all this together, and my point is: Of course its not politically correct, but unless someone smack talks on a more severe level, I just don't make a big fuzz. I usually dismiss even more severe smack as immature behaviour and move on. --
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Sharadar
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Posted - 2006.08.16 09:18:00 -
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I dont see the issue, ignore it if you dont like it. I think its sad that you feel the use of a word should be banned just because it offends you (not that you explicitly stated it should be banned, but it is implied). Made me laugh that a tread near this at the time of my posting is titled 'Retarded Jump Clone Standings'.
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Drilla
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.16 09:19:00 -
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Political Correctness is retarded 
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.16 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Surrat Bintau As some people have already said.
Being "offended" means nothing.
You are offended at people being rude and insulting. I am offended at your support of censorship.
Now in this case who's feelings are more important? /quote]
Well that's easy. What's more important is CCP's policy on offensive language. If someone breaks it, it is your duty to petition them. ________________________________________________
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Infinity Ziona
Space Elves of Ragnoroth
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Posted - 2006.08.16 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hitomi Ayame
Originally by: General Windypops
By extrapolation, I assume you support 100% freedom of speech? By which I mean the freedom of any extremist, from any faith, race or country to be able to say what they like against any faith or race or country, because it's 'immature' to oppose that?
Personally, I consider words that are offensive about the handicapped to be as serious as abuse of creed, country or faith.
As an American, I support the U.S. Constitution and the Supreme Court's upholding of its ideals. That yes, anyone from any faith, race, creed, or country has the absolute right to say what they like about any other faith, race, creed, or country, regardless of how offensive someone may find it.
Heheheheehehehehe.
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Ioudas Iskariotes
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Posted - 2006.08.16 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Well that's easy. What's more important is CCP's policy on offensive language. If someone breaks it, it is your duty to petition them.
The problem is that "offensive" is subjective. And hence unless you outlaw specific "offensive" speech then there is no way to define what is or is not offensive. You cannot possibly outlaw anything that offends anyone. You wouldn't have a chat channel at all.
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