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General Windypops	Posted - 2006.08.15 22:48:00 - [1] Edited by: General Windypops on 15/08/2006 22:49:16 This evening, a young guy in local was smacktalking away and calling people 'retarded'. I politely asked him to stop, making the point that I found the phrase offensive, but he continued to use the phrase (deliberately now, to wind me up) despite my polite requests. I'm curious - what do other people in the community think. Is the word 'retarded' any less offensive than derogatory words against people from certain religious or racial background? It's a word that's well known to be highly offensive when used against those with an actual handicap, so should it be tolerated whilst similar phrases used against specific religions or cultural backgrounds are not? Even if the majority finds it perfectly legitimate, should it be appropriate when a large minority are offended by it? Maybe i'm the only one here who finds it offensive. What are your thoughts? This isn't intended to be flamebait, just a legitimate test of public views.
Auraurious Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.08.15 22:50:00 - [2] Generally I find that what offends me with words is not so much the word itself, its the intent and meaning that the person is trying to show through the word. _____________________________________________
General Windypops	Posted - 2006.08.15 22:51:00 - [3] I think you probably have hit the nail on the head there - even if the word itself isn't considered by all to be derogatory, it's inferring that you have a mental handicap, and that that is 'amusing'.
JForce The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.08.15 22:52:00 - [4] I don't think it's a big deal. It is exactly the same as calling someone stupid. Now that person may not be stupid or retarded, but name calling is a part of the game for some people. I don't think it's worth discussing.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.15 22:52:00 - [5] I dont read local in empire for a reason Other then that, petition his ass if he offends you. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Dak Hakin Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.15 22:53:00 - [6] Yeah, I am kinda bothered by the wholesale use of that word now. Sadly it has become a commonly used slang now. _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
Jimmy Saville	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:01:00 - [7] Personally, I find it entirely offensive, and it's one of the sad things about these kind of communities where words that are never used in polite conversation are suddenly acceptable when the person is not standing in front of you. /sigh
cold lazarus Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:01:00 - [8] To Be Quite honest what one persons annoyance is anothers ignorance. Smoking drinking swearing spitting Dress sense hair style any of these above can cause offence to another person, hell even bad spelling on these forums attract them. unfortunatly you cant cover everyone in cottonwool to keep them from being offended at the drop of a hat. But there is always the block button
Auldare S.A.S	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:02:00 - [9] I dont know, everytime i see someone use that word the following image pops up; Wild west, some guy with 'dirt' all over him with less teeth than a duck saying to his mate, 'that boy aint right he's a reeeetarddd' i.e. people who use the word do not give me the slightest conficence that they can count and walk at the same time themselves. ================================================
David Hassellhoff Hairy Chests Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:08:00 - [10] Agreed - in my view, it's a highly offensive term, but it says a lot more about the immature mindset of the person that uses the phrase than the person they're calling 'r*******'. I would love to see it banned, but just because others use the phrase doesn't mean you should use it too. Signature unrelated to eve -Eldo ([email protected])
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:16:00 - [11] that word doesn't phase me at all - i know it's popular connotation but it's meaning is actually nothing to do with the mentaly handicapped, per se - Retarded 1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE 2 : to delay academic progress by failure to promote so, the fact that this guy was bandying the word around means that HE would have annoyed me, but that word itself wouldn't although had he been calling people "mongoloids", i'd have probably found that more offensive - but ultimately, he's being an idiot and he's probably loving that he gets a rise out of you so the best thing you can do is petition him or block him. i hate to say "sticks & stones", but there are many words that only have power if you give them the power. This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:17:00 - [12] TBH, I don't even associate the word with the "mentally handicapped" anymore. Everything is supposed to be so politically correct these days that the opposite is actually occuring, where previously offensive words have been made into common slang. It's quite similar to the use of the N word among a certain race, calling someone the J word because they are tight with money, regardless of their heritage, calling someone the other N word because they are very disciplined and strict. Of course, all of these can be offensive depending on the intent of the source, and the receipient, or they can be shrugged off as completely harmless by others.
Mister Poopypants	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:18:00 - [13] Personally, I think political correctness run amuck is lame. (Oh, wait, now I'm being offensive toward people who have certain kinds of physical disabilities... )
Boogaloo	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:21:00 - [14] Originally by: NATMav It's quite similar to the use of the N word among a certain race, calling someone the J word because they are tight with money, regardless of their heritage, calling someone the other N word because they are very disciplined and strict. Personally I find all of the examples you have given to be offensive, regardless of context.
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:21:00 - [15] Edited by: Ghoest on 15/08/2006 23:21:52 There is nothing wrong with using the word "retarded" as an insult. There is something inherently wrong about making insults sure - but "retarded" is no worse than any other negative comment. People dont like seeing "retard" as an insult because it points out the obvious - retards are dumb and incompetent. Dont be afraid of the obvious. Wherever you went - here you are.
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:25:00 - [16] Originally by: NATMav TBH, I don't even associate the word with the "mentally handicapped" anymore. Everything is supposed to be so politically correct these days that the opposite is actually occuring, where previously offensive words have been made into common slang. It's quite similar to the use of the N word among a certain race, calling someone the J word because they are tight with money, regardless of their heritage, calling someone the other N word because they are very disciplined and strict. Of course, all of these can be offensive depending on the intent of the source, and the receipient, or they can be shrugged off as completely harmless by others. WRONG WRONG WRONG There is nothing inherently negative about being black, white or of any other race. So using racial terms as an insult is bad because it unfairly infers that the race it self has a negative trait. Being a retard is unfortunate sure but its also definetly negative. So were you metaphorically call some one a acting dumb "a retard", you are not making an unfair inference about retards. Wherever you went - here you are.
Tyranical Teabagger	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:27:00 - [17] bleh. People are overly sensative or simply whine too much. Not that I smack in local and call people names, but I do call them as I see them wether they're standing right in front of me or not. If I really don't like them they'll hear about it. I just don't do it in game; because it's against the rules or to a complete stranger; because I don't know them. Is it offensive? Sure it's meant to be, but someone is offended somewhere by just about everything. Get over it. It's really not worth your time or mine there are already too many petitions and yours is just one more clogging up the works for no good reason. I hope you're offended by my post. just my .02
Boogaloo	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Boogaloo on 15/08/2006 23:29:31 So mocking other players by calling them a name that's associated with people with genuine difficulties is amusing? It's funny? Just something to laugh off? Show some respect. I'm sure you woudln't find it amusing if you personally suffered.
Tricit Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:32:00 - [19] As long as the person in question uses the word in question correctly, if it is a word, then by all means, use it. Retarded means something that is slow in any sort of way. "That snail is retarded, it goes by on the soil very slowly." "Those runners are retarded compared to the one's who have already finished."
Doggsbody	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:33:00 - [20] In my view, we live in a community, and a community should show respect to all of its members. If a significant proportion of the community are offended my something we should be mature enough to avoid things that cause offence to so many.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Tricit As long as the person in question uses the word in question correctly, if it is a word, then by all means, use it. Retarded means something that is slow in any sort of way. "That snail is retarded, it goes by on the soil very slowly." "Those runners are retarded compared to the one's who have already finished." Wrong in both examples. To be retarded means to be held back by something - slowed down artificially, not just to be slow. In any event, the fact that it's generally used in the same sense as crippled, spastic, mentally disabled or whatever the in-phrase is today, means it's intended to be offensive, and therefore should be petitioned. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Bess Tower	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Retarded 1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE 2 : to delay academic progress by failure to promote Interesting how selective you been here. The rest of the dictionary definition goes on to say Often Offensive. Affected with mental retardation.
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:37:00 - [23] That is not a reasonable standard. Besides its pretty clear that the majority does not find the term offensive. Wherever you went - here you are.
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:38:00 - [24] Grow up, it may be childish to call people silly names but it is no less childish to be hurt by such names.
cold lazarus Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Boogaloo Originally by: NATMav It's quite similar to the use of the N word among a certain race, calling someone the J word because they are tight with money, regardless of their heritage, calling someone the other N word because they are very disciplined and strict. Personally I find all of the examples you have given to be offensive, regardless of context. And that is the crux of the matter if someone calls me any of them i can ignore it, but it causes offence to you, so who is right in thier positon you or me? It all boils down to PC'ness. Do we ban these words from the dictionery? if so can you imagine the amount of words that would have to be banned ( just look at this forums word filter) e.g in a post above someone posted lame can that word now be banned? Again in a post above someone said words have power and indeed they do, it is how the word is expressed that gives it its power. To the OP this person in local if he reads the forums will be full of himsell because of the amount of posts this thread has got(you know this because of the way he increased the usage of the word when you complained about it),thus giving the word some power to him and others but if you had just hit the ignore button no power.
General Windypops	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:42:00 - [26] Edited by: General Windypops on 15/08/2006 23:44:32 Edited by: General Windypops on 15/08/2006 23:42:55 Originally by: Gift Grow up, it may be childish to call people silly names but it is no less childish to be hurt by such names. Let me make sure I fully understand your point here. If someone calls me an offensive name, and I am offended, it is simply my duty to accept it as the 'mature' thing to do, rather than to make a stand on a principle? By extrapolation, I assume you support 100% freedom of speech? By which I mean the freedom of any extremist, from any faith, race or country to be able to say what they like against any faith or race or country, because it's 'immature' to oppose that? Personally, I consider words that are offensive about the handicapped to be as serious as abuse of creed, country or faith.
BranBresil	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:47:00 - [27] Edited by: BranBresil on 15/08/2006 23:49:20 Edited by: BranBresil on 15/08/2006 23:48:31 I'm going to have to agree with the above poster, and this whole issue that really gets my gall up. I hate to say it, but nobody has a right to not be offended.... PERIOD. On top of that though, there is the ignore ability, so the only reason you could possibly take exception would be as a matter of convenience, you don't want to be bothered with setting him to be ignored. I really see no reason to shackle everyone's free speech ability just because it happens to offend you and you can't be bothered to set them to ignore. You really don't like it? Kill him, it's that simple. As far as this goes, I am of the opinion that pretty much nothing should be censored. I'm on the hedge as far as the whole offensive character name issue too, however in that case.. if they're in system, there's no real way to be able to completely avoid the off chance you might glance at their char name and be offended. So a very slim case can be made for that. As far as speech though? Heck no. I for one say let anyone use racial slurs, genitalia references, and profanity. Either way your perception of them will be affected, you can always kill them, and at the very least ignore. No reason to prevent people from making fools of themselves, especially when considering the possibility that whatever word someone happens to find offensive might actually occasionally find legitimate use. So yeah, my two cents on the matter.
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:49:00 - [28] OOP
Dante Kira Caldari Miner Protection Guild Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:52:00 - [29] It seems that the OP is one of those people who would wish nothing more than to butcher all words that "might" contain offensive meaning. I can just see 1984 thanks to this type of thinking. ------------------------------------- A lonely cowboy who some call Hamill the Mark,
Tyranical Teabagger	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:52:00 - [30] Freedom of speech is #1. I believe people should be allowed to say whatever they wantwether they're a racist biggot or a bible thumping snake handler. I have the right to disagree with them or simply walk away and ignore them and so do you. The only power other peoples words have over you are the power you give them.
Malverious Prime ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:58:00 - [31] Edited by: Malverious Prime on 15/08/2006 23:58:44 I agree with the Brain... I dont think i could say it in anymore concise terms... Another point we should all remember is the wide generational gap in this game, players from 16 - 60+. Sure the word retard offends you, but so did womens ankles shown in public, but you got over that didnt ya?! (more of a p1ss take, but you get my point ay?) Edit: down with censorship!
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.16 00:00:00 - [32] What you may or may not find offensive is meaningless. What the majority may or may not find offensive is also meaningless. You people need to grow a thicker skin. Seriously. I think it's fine that you asked him to stop, and when he didn't, you should have podded him. Just to prove a point. But getting bent out of shape by something like this is a big waste of time and energy. To each their own I guess. My policy is live and let live. But then again, I've been on the internet since it started, and the internet is one of the best places on earth to be highly offended. You get over it or you go away. Its really your call. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Firane Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 00:20:00 - [33] theinternetisseriousbusiness.jpg To be honest, though, people get too worked up over this stuff. You should be more angry at them because they sucked at smacking in local, not because he used the word 'retarded', which originally had nothing to do with mental handicap-ness in the first place. -----------
Andicuri Vas Gallente Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.16 00:32:00 - [34] It seems that on one hand, the world is becoming ever more crass and uncivilized. While on the other hand, people are becoming increasingly sensitive to everything....including a cartoon head in a sea of 20,000, in a worldwide MMO, calling other random cartoon heads "Retarded", without any context whatsoever. I find it odd that generally, a persons' or groups' offense carries an inference that the source is always wrong, or out of touch and needs to be modified to reflect the prevailing correct speech....whatever that is. Does the young guy calling you retarded, make you retarded? No, he is showing everyone in local that he is the kind of person that needs to call people names to feel better......sad really. One might call that a mental deficiency. Maybe he can't help it. Given this need, he is probably flying around some other system calling other people retarded. You on the other hand, are using your obviously intact intellect to post a description of your negative emotions, surrounding the speech from the type of person that you pretend to defend with pious offense. Meanwhile, gathering as many people to your way of thinking as to ensure his being wrong, and you being right. So, who is retarded? A V
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.16 00:39:00 - [35] gonna be blunt here ;p when i say the word retarded i am in no way referring to a person with a mental handicap ;p to me its a stronger way of saying "ur acting stupid" not "u were born with mental defeciences and or a low iq hahaha" ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Scag Head	Posted - 2006.08.16 00:43:00 - [36] Political correctness is the language of ********s. If you want to be real picky, just read the definition of the word before coming whining to the forums. Retard: To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede. Therefore, Retarded: To be delayed. Still offended? If the answer is yes, you need to grow a pair. Hell, if your offended by something as simple as the word retarded, you're going to have serious social problems in life, unless you never get let out of the home of course.
Hitomi Ayame Amarr Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.08.16 00:50:00 - [37] Originally by: General Windypops By extrapolation, I assume you support 100% freedom of speech? By which I mean the freedom of any extremist, from any faith, race or country to be able to say what they like against any faith or race or country, because it's 'immature' to oppose that? Personally, I consider words that are offensive about the handicapped to be as serious as abuse of creed, country or faith. As an American, I support the U.S. Constitution and the Supreme Court's upholding of its ideals. That yes, anyone from any faith, race, creed, or country has the absolute right to say what they like about any other faith, race, creed, or country, regardless of how offensive someone may find it. It may make the speaker look like a complete and total jerk, but it is still within their right to speak their mind. However, in this current situation, we have made an agreement with CCP that, while playing their game, we submit to their rules regarding profanity, slurs, and other offensive speech. We make this agreement of our own free will, understanding the rules in place and the consequences of breaking those rules. In your case, you should have petitioned him. Then it's in CCP's hands to decide whether their rules regarding offensive speech, which he, by playing EVE, agrees to follow, were broken, and to subesquently deal with it. Personally, when someone makes a derogatory mark in reference to a certain sexual orientation, I find it offensive. I do my best to speak with the person and let them know my feelings, and that what they are doing is in violation of the rules that they agreed to. I've yet to have to petition someone for it, and hope that I never will. Of course, outside of EVE, I will defend their right to call me a**. - - - The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting! Step up and serve God and Khanid today!**
Scag Head	Posted - 2006.08.16 00:55:00 - [38] Someone lock this thread.....it's retarded.
Malverious Prime ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.16 01:00:00 - [39] I was thinking of writing a big speil about how absurdly unorginal and pointless this thread is... but then i thought... man i am a sucker.
Wanoah Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.08.16 01:03:00 - [40] Personally, I use far worse insults in everyday life. I get pretty sick of people bleating about how they're offended by stuff and whining about their poor hurt feelings. Ah bless your little cotton socks, you poor little lambs. Honestly, if you can't cope with someone having a mild dig at you, what on earth are you going to do when something really bad happens to you?
Scag Head	Posted - 2006.08.16 01:11:00 - [41] I'm offended by getting ganked......please ban it. Other than that, this topic is offending my right to read the forums freely and should be moved to Out of Pod. It has no place in general discussion.
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.08.16 01:14:00 - [42] Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Gift Grow up, it may be childish to call people silly names but it is no less childish to be hurt by such names. Let me make sure I fully understand your point here. If someone calls me an offensive name, and I am offended, it is simply my duty to accept it as the 'mature' thing to do, rather than to make a stand on a principle? You are not standing on principal, atleast not one to be proud of. What you stand for is Censorship. If I want to call you a retard I have every right. Just as CCP has the right to ban me for calling you a retard, but I still won't give a damn if you're offended. Freedom is Fun \o/ Originally by: General Windypops By extrapolation, I assume you support 100% freedom of speech? By which I mean the freedom of any extremist, from any faith, race or country to be able to say what they like against any faith or race or country, because it's 'immature' to oppose that? It's not wrong to oppose it, it's wrong to silence it. Retard.
Scag Head	Posted - 2006.08.16 01:18:00 - [43] I just found a sig...thanks gift.... Quote: It's not wrong to oppose it, it's wrong to silence it. Retard.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.16 02:01:00 - [44] I am all for getting rid of the word "retard" (this means I don't need to do any physics for retarding forces, right?) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2006.08.16 03:23:00 - [45] lmao ever heard of the phrase "sticks and stones"? if you are offended by the mere use of the word retarded, well, wow... you leave me speechless i try to keep the serious words out of local chat thanks to a 24 hour gag for using a four letter word but retarded and stupid and whatnot are all at the bottom of the "no-no" list... in any case, i wanted to type up an entire post about censorship and the offense principle (read court papers on 2 live crew and their 1989 court issues if you'd like to know more) but i have needs for a bundle of sticks (few will get that joke) freedom rules... even tho i dont agree with Hate speech and whatnot
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.16 03:33:00 - [46] The unprecedented level of "HOORAY FOR CENSORSHIP! RAH RAH RAH!" in this thread is making me violently ill; I'm sneezing, breaking out in a rash, and will shortly begin vomiting uncontrollably. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
skilzrulz	Posted - 2006.08.16 05:23:00 - [47] @ OP read: http://www.maddox.xmission.com
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.16 05:26:00 - [48] This thread reinforces my belief that everyone who uses the term deserves to be labeled with it.
Makaera Koshito Caldari Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 05:44:00 - [49] In RL, we only call our friends retarded when we are busting their chops, and we call folks (particularly ones we don't like) retarded behind their backs when they do something stupid. Most folks don't use that word to describe someone they don't really know to their face. It always amazes me what people think they can say to each other on the internet simply because no one is there to punch them in the face for saying it. Also, the rampant misinformation about retardation in this thread is not really shocking, but really just sad. And don't even get me started on Censorship and how any society that thinks... erg... must... resist... urge... to... write... more.
elliona	Posted - 2006.08.16 05:44:00 - [50] This entire thread is retarded!
Dorgeo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.16 06:17:00 - [51] Edited by: Dorgeo on 16/08/2006 06:20:17 Maybe this will help.I am from the UK. One of my sons is mentally and physically disabled,he has downsyndrome and the use of the word retarded to me used to be a direct attack at people like my son,calling someone retarded was mocking the disabled. After visiting relatives in the USA and Canada i heard the word thrown around a lot more commonly,not as a direct attack at the disabled or to mock them but more so used as "slang" for stupid,silly,daft etc etc.Yeah the word over in the UK Is taken more strongly as being offensive,but we use words over here that other nations may find offensive also.We have to accept people take on other countries,how can i put it "trends" if you like,this includes words,phrases,dress etc.I now accept the word in a different manner,not as an insult,merely "slang". For someone to deliberatly use it to smacktalk,yeah he was simply trying to be offensive,but in general calling someone retarded these days,in general is most likely meant no more ofensive than calling someone a noob.ie your smacktaker..
Matori Kar	Posted - 2006.08.16 06:40:00 - [52] This thread is retarded If you don't understand why, thats your problem....
Basileus	Posted - 2006.08.16 06:42:00 - [53] Most retarded thread. Ever.
Surrat Bintau	Posted - 2006.08.16 08:50:00 - [54] As some people have already said. Being "offended" means nothing. You are offended at people being rude and insulting. I am offended at your support of censorship. Now in this case who's feelings are more important? Who's opinion do we support and start legislation. If they support me, you get screwed. If they support you I do. Dealing with humans is taking for granted that not all of them are going to do things that make you happy. The real question is does it hurt you? And I don't mean "Boo hoo he called me names" hurt. I mean does it in any way impede you from living your life as you see fit. The fact is that although retarded has come to be derogatory, it is also true as applies to people with mental handicaps. re+tard ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-tSrd) v. re+tard+ed, re+tard+ing, re+tards v. tr. 1. To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede. So whaa you don't like it. I don't like that I have to be at work right now and not at home playing EVE. We don't always get what we want. Nor should we.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.08.16 09:11:00 - [55] Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 16/08/2006 09:13:15 Originally by: General Windypops I'm curious - what do other people in the community think. Is the word 'retarded' any less offensive than derogatory words against people from certain religious or racial background? In my humble opinion: Yes, using the word "retarted" is probably not politically correct and its a deragatory (sp?) term for the mentally handicapped. But: This is a computer game with people from all over the marble. This means that people in local chat are affected by the usual chat phaenomena where its easy for some people to smack because their identity is obscured and they are not having all other visual and such cues of a regular conversation, its text only. You might also find that non-english people are sometimes more inclined to use use certain phrases. In real life for instance I find myself sometimes using terms such as *****-up to describe something thats broken, which my American manager or most colleagues would not usually use. Whether that has to do with learning english as a second language, picking up a good part of it from films and novels, or the insistence on not swearing not being as big a deal in my local area or personal education as in other peoples cultural circles or upbringing I dunno. There are more cultural differences, i.e. the Dutch people arround me will sometimes tell you to (translated) "get cancer", which would probably be considered much more severe by an American than by another Dutch in an argument. The British use comparatively more sexual degratory (sp? again) terms in swaring, the Dutch have a habit of using diseases, and so on. Take all this together, and my point is: Of course its not politically correct, but unless someone smack talks on a more severe level, I just don't make a big fuzz. I usually dismiss even more severe smack as immature behaviour and move on. --
Sharadar	Posted - 2006.08.16 09:18:00 - [56] I dont see the issue, ignore it if you dont like it. I think its sad that you feel the use of a word should be banned just because it offends you (not that you explicitly stated it should be banned, but it is implied). Made me laugh that a tread near this at the time of my posting is titled 'Retarded Jump Clone Standings'.
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 09:19:00 - [57] Political Correctness is retarded Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 09:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Surrat Bintau As some people have already said. Being "offended" means nothing. You are offended at people being rude and insulting. I am offended at your support of censorship. Now in this case who's feelings are more important? /quote] Well that's easy. What's more important is CCP's policy on offensive language. If someone breaks it, it is your duty to petition them. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Infinity Ziona Space Elves of Ragnoroth	Posted - 2006.08.16 10:34:00 - [59] Originally by: Hitomi Ayame Originally by: General Windypops By extrapolation, I assume you support 100% freedom of speech? By which I mean the freedom of any extremist, from any faith, race or country to be able to say what they like against any faith or race or country, because it's 'immature' to oppose that? Personally, I consider words that are offensive about the handicapped to be as serious as abuse of creed, country or faith. As an American, I support the U.S. Constitution and the Supreme Court's upholding of its ideals. That yes, anyone from any faith, race, creed, or country has the absolute right to say what they like about any other faith, race, creed, or country, regardless of how offensive someone may find it. Heheheheehehehehe. 'The alliance should not be a solo contentmobile' - Albert Einstein
Ioudas Iskariotes	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Well that's easy. What's more important is CCP's policy on offensive language. If someone breaks it, it is your duty to petition them. The problem is that "offensive" is subjective. And hence unless you outlaw specific "offensive" speech then there is no way to define what is or is not offensive. You cannot possibly outlaw anything that offends anyone. You wouldn't have a chat channel at all.
Sn4k3 3y3s	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:10:00 - [61] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain I dont read local in empire for a reason Other then that, petition his ass if he offends you. Oh you should. Yesterday in oursulaert local someone asked how to clean an LCD screen. 3 replies mustered up - Ajax and a brillo pad Vaccum cleaners Buy a new one. Oursu ftw!
Capt Harlock Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:14:00 - [62] Free speech FTW
M3ta Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:19:00 - [63] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain I dont read local in empire for a reason Other then that, petition his ass if he offends you. Ah, harassment petitions, the ones that are quickly answered by a GM saying "we will investigate and take further action if necessary" (yes it's a template), and yet, nothing is ever done. Forget any kind of support in these situations, the only friend there is... it's the 'block' option. ------------------------------ loose != lose you're != your it's != its they're != there
Kovacs Caprios Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:22:00 - [64] Originally by: Capt Harlock Free speech FTW There is nothing wrong with free speech, but it is wrong to purposefully offend people. No I am sure I will get flamed.. as you are all away even free speech is restricted even more so in UK and the USA.
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:31:00 - [65] Originally by: Drilla Political Correctness is retarded Behaving well/good manners and acting politically correct is two very different things. We can quote definitions all we want, but the fact is that the term for most people is connected to mentally handicapped people. People that have people that love them. Then we can argue whether its ok or an established way to use the term in a generalising and derogatory fashion in a public space like Eve. And that was what the OP did - and in a calm and genuinely caring way. So lets keep the obviously desperate arguments off the table, shall we.
Crae Matreki Caldari Blackstar Enterprises	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:22:00 - [66] Retarded is mis-use of a perfectly harmless word. Just coz two people associate it with the mentally handicapped, it doesn't mean the word should be banned. The offence was in the context, but then what makes it any more offensive than saying 'you're stupid'? Come to think of it.. you may think dumb is a pretty inoffensive word, but what if the person you call dumb turns out to actually BE dumb? I doubt he'd be offended, tho, and he'll probably just reply 'yeah, i am actually' and then cackle as you go into some kind of overdrive of political correctness, and ban yourself from ever talking again. Besides, maybe the OP was retarded. Maybe he had a crap ship setup, which would mean his ship was artificially restricted in its performance.
Antskyeeh The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:30:00 - [67] There is an easy solution to spam in local: Right-click on the offender's char and select "Block" Case closed.
Gericault m0id Gallente Mercantile Exchange	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:10:00 - [68] Retarded: "To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede." Whether it is incapacity to communicate efficiently or you're causing a gridlock with a freighter or a wheelchair shouldn't really matter. If the offended party has a problem with a specific word it's usually because of negative connotations which the offendee might or might not be aware of. Would that make him a mongoloid? Probably not (unless, possibly, if he's playing on the Chinese server). And some more: 1. the young smacktalker might have been roleplaying in which case it should be perfectly legitimate. You're making the mistake of being offended irl. 2. Should I be offended by the fact that you think of retards as people with handicaps? I've got a massive handicap but I still love the game. grr... I'm tired. I do agree that anybody spamming local with nonsense is annoying. The best way is probably to ignore them and hope they go away. Alternatively, leave the system.
Eleis Machuron	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:29:00 - [69] Originally by: Crae Matreki Retarded is mis-use of a perfectly harmless word. ***** is a mis-use of a perfectly harmless word; that doesn't make it OK to use in the context described either in terms of the EULA or in polite company. Setting aside the BS and smoke about 'freedom of speech' and 'choosing to be offended', whatever happened to being a good sport and playing fair? Trash talk is rampant in this game, but I've been in other communities where it's not OK. What's wrong with promoting politeness and mutual respect in the game?
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:41:00 - [70] Originally by: Trak Cranker Originally by: Drilla Political Correctness is retarded Behaving well/good manners and acting politically correct is two very different things. We can quote definitions all we want, but the fact is that the term for most people is connected to mentally handicapped people. People that have people that love them. Then we can argue whether its ok or an established way to use the term in a generalising and derogatory fashion in a public space like Eve. And that was what the OP did - and in a calm and genuinely caring way. So lets keep the obviously desperate arguments off the table, shall we. I have highlighted the desperate argument and in this thread seemly minorty view... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Mesacc Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.16 18:03:00 - [71] Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 15/08/2006 22:49:16 This evening, a young guy in local was smacktalking away and calling people 'retarded'. I politely asked him to stop, making the point that I found the phrase offensive, but he continued to use the phrase (deliberately now, to wind me up) despite my polite requests. I'm curious - what do other people in the community think. Is the word 'retarded' any less offensive than derogatory words against people from certain religious or racial background? It's a word that's well known to be highly offensive when used against those with an actual handicap, so should it be tolerated whilst similar phrases used against specific religions or cultural backgrounds are not? Even if the majority finds it perfectly legitimate, should it be appropriate when a large minority are offended by it? Maybe i'm the only one here who finds it offensive. What are your thoughts? This isn't intended to be flamebait, just a legitimate test of public views. The only thing that really gets under my skin is the word "offended". Everyone is so scared nowdays that there gonna offend someone. Everyone wants to define what is offensive and what isnt. Who gives a rats a$$. If someone offends you get over it. Grow a backbone. There are far worse things in this world that can happen to someone than being "offended."
Valan	Posted - 2006.08.16 19:02:00 - [72] Edited by: Valan on 16/08/2006 19:02:01 You have to take into account cultural difference, The word retarded is probably frowned upon by most in the uk. If you use it here I immediatley discount the person entirely as not worth listening to. Americans use it more freely and you have to allow for it.
General Windypops	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:02:00 - [73] Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 16/08/2006 19:02:01 You have to take into account cultural difference, The word retarded is probably frowned upon by most in the uk. If you use it here I immediatley discount the person entirely as not worth listening to. Americans use it more freely and you have to allow for it. A very interesting point. Also interesting that if you look at the posts made 'overnight' by UK time standard (i.e. predominance of US players) they support use of the word, whereas during EU active times there's more dislike of the phrase.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:05:00 - [74] Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 16/08/2006 19:02:01 You have to take into account cultural difference, The word retarded is probably frowned upon by most in the uk. If you use it here I immediatley discount the person entirely as not worth listening to. Americans use it more freely and you have to allow for it. A very interesting point. Also interesting that if you look at the posts made 'overnight' by UK time standard (i.e. predominance of US players) they support use of the word, whereas during EU active times there's more dislike of the phrase. I don't speak for all of us here in the USA. But you do realise we aren't so much supporting the use of the word as supporting your right to say whatever you want. I personally find it repulsive that people use it this way, but I will defend to the death their right to do so. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:10:00 - [75] Originally by: Locke DieDrake I personally find it repulsive that people use it this way, but I will defend to the death their right to do so. Their right to do so where? ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Abaddon Nostros Minmatar Nostros Shipyards	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:11:00 - [76] Ok, everyone repeat after me. I am.... Sofa King... We Todd Did... Ok, now say it 5 times fast. That should answer all your questions. Originally by: K'reemy G'udness Oh, you wacky carebears. Stay in 0.9, where your biggest problem is an ore thief who calls himself mayor.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:12:00 - [77] Originally by: Ioudas Iskariotes Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Well that's easy. What's more important is CCP's policy on offensive language. If someone breaks it, it is your duty to petition them. The problem is that "offensive" is subjective. And hence unless you outlaw specific "offensive" speech then there is no way to define what is or is not offensive. Which is the GM's job. Your job is to report anything you think may be offensive. If you're being patently stupid and reporting words like "the" and "which", you'll get a warning for frivolous petitions. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:13:00 - [78] Originally by: M3ta Ah, harassment petitions, the ones that are quickly answered by a GM saying "we will investigate and take further action if necessary" (yes it's a template), and yet, nothing is ever done. ALL of the many petitions I've filed under this category, the text in question has been removed. Maybe I get harder-working GMs than you ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Locke DieDrake I personally find it repulsive that people use it this way, but I will defend to the death their right to do so. Their right to do so where? Anywhere that it is not specificly forbiden. IE: in eve, online, to your face, at the mall, wherever. In the context of eve, people should be able to say what they want, if it offends you, then you petition it and the people thats job it is to decide if they want that in their game will make a call on it. It is not for this forum or anyone on it to decide that retarded, or any other word is "offensive". The very idea that a word can be offensive is repugnant to me. In other words. CONTEXT is king. But my original post still stand also. Which is that people just need to get over their pansy feelings about how they are upset or hurt or offended by something some asshat said in a chat window. You think you're offended now? Lets have a chat on the phone, I'll change your definition of the word offended. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Kyreax Gallente Rising Sun Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:23:00 - [80] Originally by: Sn4k3 3y3s Yesterday in oursulaert local someone asked how to clean an LCD screen: Ajax and a brillo pad. Hey, I finally got quoted in the forums. Ajax and brillo pads work wonders on your LCD screen. If you think otherwise, you must be retarded. Don't let your meatloaf.
Valan	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:29:00 - [81] Edited by: Valan on 16/08/2006 20:36:20 Originally by: Locke DieDrake I don't speak for all of us here in the USA. But you do realise we aren't so much supporting the use of the word as supporting your right to say whatever you want. I personally find it repulsive that people use it this way, but I will defend to the death their right to do so. I realise it's constitutional but in some cases it would be better if the person involved would shut up. I've seen Americans using racist language in the market channel and get banned for it. They were adamant they had the right to say anything. In the UK you're not allowed to say just anything. The best example is the recent cases where people have been jailed for encouraging others to blow up planes. The bad side is sometimes people are accused unjustly of being prejudiced. I can see good in bad in both approaches, its important to be aware of cultural difference if you don't want a smack in the teeth.
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:32:00 - [82] I have a sister who is retarded. I am not offended by it.
Eleis Machuron	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:34:00 - [83] Originally by: Mesacc Everyone is so scared nowdays that there gonna offend someone. I think this is demonstrably untrue, but why is it so difficult to just be polite? Why is it so important for people to be IMpolite? Again, what happened to being a good sport and supporting clean gameplay?
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:39:00 - [84] Originally by: Valan I realise it's constitutional but in some cases it would be better if the person involved would shut up. I've seen Americans using racist language in the market channel and get banned for it. They were adamant they had the right to say anything. In the UK you're not allowed to say just anything. Even in the USA, you don't have that right. These Americans (a small percentage of them) who keep insisting on their constitutional right to say anything they want, anywhere they want, anytime they want - are in for a very rude shock if they ever try to prove it by shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater, or shouting that N-word in front of a black police officer. (Yes, that word is officially outlawed in the United States. Think your constitution makes that impossible? Go try it.) ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Valan	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:43:00 - [85] Despite visiting the USA a number of times I wasn't sure how widespread the feeling was in the USA. Nice to hear its subject common sense and decency.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:43:00 - [86] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Ioudas Iskariotes Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Well that's easy. What's more important is CCP's policy on offensive language. If someone breaks it, it is your duty to petition them. The problem is that "offensive" is subjective. And hence unless you outlaw specific "offensive" speech then there is no way to define what is or is not offensive. Which is the GM's job. Your job is to report anything you think may be offensive. If you're being patently stupid and reporting words like "the" and "which", you'll get a warning for frivolous petitions. No, thats STUPID. "think may be" WTF? If you are deeply offended by something someone says, then report it. If not, just walk away. You have no reason to be going around trying to clean up the language used in the galaxy. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:47:00 - [87] Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 16/08/2006 20:36:20 Originally by: Locke DieDrake I don't speak for all of us here in the USA. But you do realise we aren't so much supporting the use of the word as supporting your right to say whatever you want. I personally find it repulsive that people use it this way, but I will defend to the death their right to do so. I realise it's constitutional but in some cases it would be better if the person involved would shut up. I've seen Americans using racist language in the market channel and get banned for it. They were adamant they had the right to say anything. In the UK you're not allowed to say just anything. The best example is the recent cases where people have been jailed for encouraging others to blow up planes. The bad side is sometimes people are accused unjustly of being prejudiced. I can see good in bad in both approaches, its important to be aware of cultural difference if you don't want a smack in the teeth. I concure. I censor myself when in polite company. (and in eve) But at the same time, I will support your right to say whatever you want. As long as you understand there are consequences for your actions and you may incure consequences you didn't plan on. Like having your ass beat down by someone. Or being banned from a place. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:22:00 - [88] Originally by: Locke DieDrake No, thats STUPID. "think may be" WTF? If you are deeply offended by something someone says, then report it. If not, just walk away. You have no reason to be going around trying to clean up the language used in the galaxy. Actually I do. So do you, but you probably don't care. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Garann W1CA	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:24:00 - [89] Quote: I concure. I censor myself when in polite company. (and in eve) But at the same time, I will support your right to say whatever you want. As long as you understand there are consequences for your actions and you may incure consequences you didn't plan on. Like having your ass beat down by someone. Or being banned from a place. And there we have it ladies and gentlemen... The whole free spech thing was intended as a solution to the problem of governments, strong organizations, religions etc. could simply throw people that opposed them in jail and swallow the key. It wasn't invented to allow everyone to walk up and down the street calling eachother profanities from early morning to late evening. So yeah, free speech, you can say whatever you want to say, as long as you're prepared to face the consequenses of your behaviour. In regard to the original poster, well, you might be more offended by it than I am, and honestly I am more or less sick of political correctness, and I'm sick of people trying to "outlaw" the use of terms because the term offend some minority, espcially when the word is used in a context that has absolutely NOTHING to do with that minority. Unless you honestly think that the person calling you a retard thinks you have a malfunction / abnormality in your head. Or that the offender is trying to offend this minority on purpose? You know what, I say get over it, either get down on his level and smack back, or take the high road and ignore the ********, don't waste your time and energy being offenden on behalf of a minority which has nothing AT ALL to do with the situation.
Humble Voh	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:27:00 - [90] I think part of the clash here is that, to me anyway, retarded is an insult used for people who have learning disabilities. So I don't like people to use it, coz it reminds me of the scum who do insult real people who have disabilities. Now in America, the word might not have that power. And in America, free speech might be a big deal you go all funny about. But this game is not an American game. And the world is not America. And this, btw, is not the real world. In the real world people don't insult other people as much as the 'net, because they'd get a punch in the neck. Maybe different rules ought to apply here?
Infinity Ziona Space Elves of Ragnoroth	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:32:00 - [91] Originally by: Humble Voh I think part of the clash here is that, to me anyway, retarded is an insult used for people who have learning disabilities. So I don't like people to use it, coz it reminds me of the scum who do insult real people who have disabilities. Now in America, the word might not have that power. And in America, free speech might be a big deal you go all funny about. But this game is not an American game. And the world is not America. And this, btw, is not the real world. In the real world people don't insult other people as much as the 'net, because they'd get a punch in the neck. Maybe different rules ought to apply here? Its more often used as an insult word for people that dont have learning difficulties. 'The alliance should not be a solo contentmobile' - Albert Einstein
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:50:00 - [92] I thought to retard meant to Decellerate... am i wrong?
Zhelavar Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:58:00 - [93] Edited by: Zhelavar on 17/08/2006 00:59:33 Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 15/08/2006 22:49:16 This evening, a young guy in local was smacktalking away and calling people 'retarded'. I politely asked him to stop, making the point that I found the phrase offensive, but he continued to use the phrase (deliberately now, to wind me up) despite my polite requests. I'm curious - what do other people in the community think. Is the word 'retarded' any less offensive than derogatory words against people from certain religious or racial background? It's a word that's well known to be highly offensive when used against those with an actual handicap, so should it be tolerated whilst similar phrases used against specific religions or cultural backgrounds are not? Even if the majority finds it perfectly legitimate, should it be appropriate when a large minority are offended by it? Maybe i'm the only one here who finds it offensive. What are your thoughts? This isn't intended to be flamebait, just a legitimate test of public views. Your use of the word "General" in your name offends me. There are real generals out there and you bandy the word about like it was nothing... it is a mere title for a video game character for you. No, I'm not serious. Instead of being offended at a WORD and contributing to the downward spiral of PC BS, be annoyed that he took to insulting someone. Or... better yet... just blow it off as it's just the fuming of an anonymous person on the internet. If the Truly Tasteless Jokes books were made today, they would have a nightmare of a time finding a publisher. Y'know, I miss the days when retards and barrels of dead babies were considered FUNNY. :(
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2006.08.17 01:20:00 - [94] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 16/08/2006 19:02:01 You have to take into account cultural difference, The word retarded is probably frowned upon by most in the uk. If you use it here I immediatley discount the person entirely as not worth listening to. Americans use it more freely and you have to allow for it. A very interesting point. Also interesting that if you look at the posts made 'overnight' by UK time standard (i.e. predominance of US players) they support use of the word, whereas during EU active times there's more dislike of the phrase. I don't speak for all of us here in the USA. But you do realise we aren't so much supporting the use of the word as supporting your right to say whatever you want. I personally find it repulsive that people use it this way, but I will defend to the death their right to do so. haha nice to bring Voltaire into the picture
Nebuli Caldari Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:06:00 - [95] Honostly dont find any form of name calling offensive, I got over that in junior school when I was about 8 years old. Maybe wrap yourself in cotton wool or something? I dont know lol. Oh and btw have mentaly handicapped brother in law, still dont find the term in the slightest bit insulting, honostly people are far to easily upset these days. CEO - Art of War
Ms Muneca AYDS	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:18:00 - [96] Edited by: Ms Muneca on 17/08/2006 02:18:11 don't be so thin skinned. edit: this thread is retarded. ----------- ----------- -----------
jbob2000 Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:38:00 - [97] My god, children are starving in Africa and people are whining about certain words in their language.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.17 03:43:00 - [98] Edited by: Montague Zooma on 17/08/2006 03:44:09 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr shouting that N-word in front of a black police officer. (Yes, that word is officially outlawed in the United States. Think your constitution makes that impossible? The N-word is not outlawed; people have even made a lot of money using it in "music". Inciting a riot is illegal. Burning a cross on someone's lawn and spray painting the N-word (or any other word, for that matter) on their house is illegal. Context is key. US citizens have the right of free speech. They do not have the right to do harm to others. Quote: My god, children are starving in Africa and people are whining about certain words in their language. Then why are you wasting time on a stupid computer game? Get out there and solve the world's problems.
Zikke Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.17 04:40:00 - [99] /me points to sig. -------- Get over it. (TM)
jbob2000 Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.17 11:55:00 - [100] Originally by: Montague Zooma Quote: My god, children are starving in Africa and people are whining about certain words in their language. Then why are you wasting time on a stupid computer game? Get out there and solve the world's problems. already have, went on a service project last year there.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.17 12:07:00 - [101] Originally by: Zhelavar Y'know, I miss the days when retards and barrels of dead babies were considered FUNNY. :( What's worse than 10 dead babies in one trash can? But seriously, this thread is retarded. The meaning of words is constantly changing, and 'retard', in the context of insulting someone who is not actually handicapped, is simply not an earth-shattering thing to say these days. ----------
Claria Icenia	Posted - 2006.08.17 12:12:00 - [102] Uber-politically correct nonsense in my opinion. I was going to write some more but figure I'd walk the safe side of ISD!

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