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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:17:00 -
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/me puts on his flame resistant apron and hood
and here we go....
So, ever use guns and even though your tracking is ok, your tranversal is low and your range is good... your guns still miss!?!
"Why Hank, that happens all the time! its normal for a shot to miss every now and then"
Of course it is, its realistic. Well, i was sitting around bored at work, carving various matar symbols into my skin and I got to thinking, how come guns must suffer this massive drop in volley dps alone? Wouldn't it be nice if the majority of the player base got to share in this joy w/ us?
So...
....being the Caldari hating, Raven mocking, disgruntled x-slave matar that I am, I pose this question: Why dont we institute dud missiles into combat? Perhaps oh, lets say 5-7% chance your missile just doesn't explode when it gets to the target.{insert Caldari ppl screaming like crazy, writing equations and posting em and shyt}
Ok ok, how about 2-3% chance teh msl doesn't explode and another 2-3% the engine burns out first???
See how you msl spamming, ecm abusing, no talent Caldari like that!! 
now i know some of you thinking "but hank, minmatar use msls too, this would hurt us".... well shut up and go take your Vitoc. I'd sacrifice half my highslots to see the msl cheeze boat Ravens and their slave-driver friendly, capitalist pig pilots suffer at the hands of the nerf bat. Mwuhahaha!!! 
/me stops foaming at the mouth long enough to cringe for the inevitable heat blast
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:20:00 -
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I think the equivalent on turrets is that even though you miss, you can get different qualities of shots which have potentially huge amounts of damage.
So you may miss a shot, and then you might get a wrecking shot for 1300 damage.
Missiles have no such thing.
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Kybane Atreides
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kybane Atreides on 16/08/2006 01:47:08
Argh, double post for some reason 
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Kybane Atreides
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:46:00 -
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Huh, learn something new everyday. Never noticed I didn't get wrecking shots and such with missiles...
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:50:00 -
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2 points:
1. Caldari damage type is kinetic ( why cruiser and below gets kinteic missle damage bonus)
2. kinetic kill weapons don't have warheads. they simply ram the target. See patriot III system.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.16 02:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Audri Fisher
2 points:
1. Caldari damage type is kinetic ( why cruiser and below gets kinteic missle damage bonus)
2. kinetic kill weapons don't have warheads. they simply ram the target. See patriot III system.
grrr foiled again! I woulda got away w/ it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!
/me returns to his lair to plot a new scheme against the caldari
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Ecnav
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.16 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
well shut up and go take your Vitoc.
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Posted - 2006.08.16 12:14:00 -
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grrr foiled again! I woulda got away w/ it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!
/me returns to his lair to plot a new scheme against the caldari
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.16 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
/me returns to his lair to plot a new scheme against the caldari
Don't you mean "returns under his BRIDGE"...?
Troll.
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Silver Sarena
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Posted - 2006.08.16 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
/me puts on his flame resistant apron and hood
and here we go....
So, ever use guns and even though your tracking is ok, your tranversal is low and your range is good... your guns still miss!?!
"Why Hank, that happens all the time! its normal for a shot to miss every now and then"
Of course it is, its realistic. Well, i was sitting around bored at work, carving various matar symbols into my skin and I got to thinking, how come guns must suffer this massive drop in volley dps alone? Wouldn't it be nice if the majority of the player base got to share in this joy w/ us?
So...
....being the Caldari hating, Raven mocking, disgruntled x-slave matar that I am, I pose this question: Why dont we institute dud missiles into combat? Perhaps oh, lets say 5-7% chance your missile just doesn't explode when it gets to the target.{insert Caldari ppl screaming like crazy, writing equations and posting em and shyt}
Ok ok, how about 2-3% chance teh msl doesn't explode and another 2-3% the engine burns out first???
See how you msl spamming, ecm abusing, no talent Caldari like that!!
now i know some of you thinking "but hank, minmatar use msls too, this would hurt us".... well shut up and go take your Vitoc. I'd sacrifice half my highslots to see the msl cheeze boat Ravens and their slave-driver friendly, capitalist pig pilots suffer at the hands of the nerf bat. Mwuhahaha!!!
/me stops foaming at the mouth long enough to cringe for the inevitable heat blast
You seem a little down because you DIDN'T, in fact, get flamed by any msl cheeze boat Ravens and their slave-driver friendly, capitalist pig pilots. Would you like to be? As a msl cheeze boat Raven flying, slave-driver friendly, capitalist pig pilot I would be happy to oblige you with copious amounts of abuse. I mean, you sit there carving symbols into your own flesh, why not let someone else do that for you?
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Magnus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2006.08.16 13:41:00 -
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I think there should be a chance that the missile explodes on some space debris on its way to the target. That way, missiles would do more damage the closer you got, and the insane damage a torp raven can do at 50km would be more balanced (i.e. not as insane).
For example, there is a 1% chance of a premature explosion for each 3% of its optimal the missile flies.
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T'sar
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Posted - 2006.08.16 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: T''sar on 16/08/2006 13:45:29
Sure thing, I'm game.
But in return, I want a 2-3% chance of a gun to jam per shot
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.08.16 14:04:00 -
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allright, if missiles can get targeting troubles and return to the ship it launched
- It is much more efficient to talk to yourself in person than via the chat system.
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.16 14:06:00 -
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All I want in return is for people to GET A LIFE and stop responding to such an OBVIOUS troll...I mean look, he's got green scaly skin and EVERYTHING.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2006.08.16 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 16/08/2006 22:40:16
Originally by: Grey Area
All I want in return is for people to GET A LIFE and stop responding to such an OBVIOUS troll...I mean look, he's got green scaly skin and EVERYTHING.
actually, it was a valid idea, dud msls. I did like the logical counter to it (kinetic msls dont explode). As for all the other stuff, well i was bored outta my arse at work (as i am tonight) and threw a bit of humor in there. now...
if i was a troll i would just be posting in threads complaining about ppl posting on threads (sound familiar?) and not contributing anything to the OP... since i AM the OP i think the catagory for me would be lame-o poster if anything, not troll. IN FACT, if you look up and ignore the ppl that just posted to have a laugh... i believe your the only troll in here 
(oh and the gun jamming thing? fair enough. why the hell not, us minnies are used to playing on impossible mode, would kinda fit the whole duct tape and cardboard thing we got goin on) edit to add: am i the only one that cant see my alts portrait? wtf w/ that?
isn't my alt HOT? she's 'on the job' if you guys got some extra iskies
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Rigsta
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.08.17 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
Originally by: HankMurphy
/me returns to his lair to plot a new scheme against the caldari
Don't you mean "returns under his BRIDGE"...?
Troll.
It's called a joke.
Abuse of a certain gaseous anaesthetic should adequately demonstrate the benefits of humour.
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.17 06:49:00 -
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Hey, sorry if I missed the humour. I'm still laughing at the missile nerf by the way...when does the joke end?
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Mirasta
Caldari
Enigma Enterprises
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.17 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Mirasta on 17/08/2006 09:07:58
Wow, As a missiles spamming ECM using no skill caldari im totally for this.
But can we by any chance get Wrecking hits and insta damage aswell? Dident think so.
Missile users say guns are unballenced or some such because you cant participate in a fleet with a raven.
Gun users say missiles are unballenced because missiles allways do max damage.
They both have ther ups and downs, if you dont like it train another race FFS.
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Alren
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Posted - 2006.08.17 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
actually, it was a valid idea, dud msls. I did like the logical counter to it (kinetic msls dont explode).
Technically, if you want to get all RP-ey, kinetic missiles use graviton warheads, and hence do explode, releasing a rather strong kinetic pulse. Though I have no idea whether that is supposed to be a push, pull (like a super short duration tiny black hole), or a combination of the two.
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Darknar
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Posted - 2006.08.17 11:19:00 -
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missile, drone, and turret user for the win, well me. :)
although i do agree with the missile AB burnout. a 3 or 5 % chance is going to happen only 5 times per 100 missiles. so i dont see any unbalance there whan turret users miss 50 times every 100 shots dues to tracking, in range, out of range, target ornbiting. missile users just hvae to fire at will when they know thay are in range. having a bit of randomness is fun.
oh and i use missiles, maby not as well as my turrts or drones but iwill get to them, becuser missiles are cool.
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Darknar
missile, drone, and turret user for the win, well me. :)
although i do agree with the missile AB burnout. a 3 or 5 % chance is going to happen only 5 times per 100 missiles.
Only? ONLY??? Ask the turret users how they'd feel about a 5% reduction in damage, then come back and say it's no big thing.
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Iota Belisarius
Procurare
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:22:00 -
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When's the last time you saw a missile user get a "You randomly hit for 2431 damage lol" message. That's why it's equal. I hope you burn in an oven.
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Kaltaga Ratakon
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kaltaga Ratakon on 17/08/2006 21:22:42
Edited by: Kaltaga Ratakon on 17/08/2006 21:22:34
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Phenom Fighter
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Phenom Fighter on 17/08/2006 21:25:48
Give missiles a chance to wreck... then u can add in 'dud' missiles... Otherwise missiles are gunna pound on and on at u son.. muuhahaha
edit: hope u like using defenders on ur tempest 0o
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Ms Muneca
AYDS
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:48:00 -
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:58:00 -
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Either make missiles identical to guns in all ways OR ban the whining babies like the OP essentially keep asking for that.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.17 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Iota Belisarius
When's the last time you saw a missile user get a "You randomly hit for 2431 damage lol" message. That's why it's equal. I hope you burn in an oven.
OMG i love the sig !
hell, why not? why not make missile damage as spontaneous and prone to frequent spikes and drops in DPS? I'm all for it.
Kinda what i was getting to w/ the whole topic. I dont want you guys to get a flat out nerf (though i may hint at that from time to time), even if you are sitting around making deals w/ amarr. fraking pressing your uniforms while my ppl rot in slave camps. o.0 Ahem, hmm, where was I?
I just like to see a bit more variety than the steady glowing streams of DPS that never miss (shyte, most you raven pilots that pve alot know exactly how many missiles to fire at each target.... cheeeesey) Its this lack of interesting combat variables that plagues you and leaves the rest of us viewing you (skill-wise) as not much past "now what torp should i load?"
its the same old worn out argument.. the fact that you get the tank + dps vs HUGE range ability w/o consequence vs all but the VERY fast frigs, its just too damn convinient, too easily calculated...too cheese. not to mention the low levels of SP required to have this performance... Honestly, why do you think an overwhelming majority of playerbase is caldari? (and dont say achura, it was that way before)
Take the sweet w/ the bitter and the bitter w/ the sweet. and dont worry Iota, burning in an oven (or some other location) may yet be in the cards for me
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Saria Mysdrial
Amarr
Research Associates
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Posted - 2006.08.18 00:03:00 -
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How about, instead of making the duds not explode, simply have them be mislabeled (ie, Kin missiles suddenly do EM instead).
You know, some underpaid, overworked employee at a Caldari plant made too many EM & not enough Kin missiles, and so recoloured & renamed them to "meet quota". :)
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Boris2k
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.08.18 00:05:00 -
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personal wants:
Defender should not need the missile to be targeted at me, hell i'd love to fly a rocket boat or logistics ship with t2 rocket launchers spamming defenders to protect my fleet, way to make it uber fair is that they go for friendlies as well as enemy missiles, but i dont mind, my fleet simply wouldnt bring that stinky ship which should be left to pve. i hate ravens, their lame. oh and u try getting transversal down at 20km so your 1400's get that eqaulizing wrecking shot.
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Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2006.08.18 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 18/08/2006 00:06:18
You can have dud missiles if everyone else has dud ammo, too - projectile shells that inflict no damage on impact, blaster charges that lose containment too soon and disperse before they arrive, and laser crystals that ***** on use and don't result in the concentrated beam of light required to inflict damage.
EDIT: Oh, and drones that go off and do their own thing despite your commands...oh, wait...that one already exists.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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