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Posted - 2014.10.16 18:27:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Zmikund wrote:why is devoter only one getting drones? This. Why Phobos no drone? I can live with Onyx not getting them. Tis Caldari. But Amarr gets drones and not Gallente? Makes no sense, brah. On another note, it occurred to me that having the focused point work its anti-jump magic vs all ships would be pretty cool. But then we might see HICs Online sooner rather than later. Thoughts? No anti-gate mechanics vs jump freighters? So, resist bonuses move to a fixed 20% role bonus and replaced with a RoF bonus. So more dps. I'm ok with that. Devoter got +1 turret. I see more base tank in a couple cases. Looks legit. +1 for changes. Pretty much this.
The phobos is going to need drones just to stay almost even with the devoter. Consider that the devoter has an extra low slot and therefore can fit an extra damage mod and still have the same tank.
The devoter has more cap, more armor HP, more PG, is a bit faster, has smaller sig radius, and it can field two flights of drones! Why would anyone ever use a phobos after this change? |

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Posted - 2014.10.17 00:42:00 -
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Catherine Laartii wrote:Can we also get it so the focused interdiction script disables mwd? I know it might be a little too much to ask for, but it DOES have very specific limitations to the ship; It would be an extremely useful thing to have in lowsec pvp. as long as the script which does it also lowers the range to 10km that would be fine |

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Posted - 2014.10.17 19:05:00 -
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Can someone please explain to me why I would ever fly a Phobos after these changes when the Devoter exists? |

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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:50:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Sigras wrote:Can someone please explain to me why I would ever fly a Phobos after these changes when the Devoter exists? Tackle Cap injection Better damage application due to tracking bonus. Plus rate of fire gives a 33% dps increase over the 25% the damage bonus im not sure what you mean by tackle as theyre both heavy dictors... but if you mean a web/scramble the devoter fits one just fine.
The devoter has 3 mids plenty for prop mod + cap injector + utility
Medium pulse lasers have a more ideal engagement envelope for HICs than rails or blasters and they track better than rails.
The devoter has an extra low for a damage mod making up for the loss in damage while keeping the same tank
The devoter is better than the phobos in every way |

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Posted - 2014.10.22 09:22:46 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Sigras wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Sigras wrote:Can someone please explain to me why I would ever fly a Phobos after these changes when the Devoter exists? Tackle Cap injection Better damage application due to tracking bonus. Plus rate of fire gives a 33% dps increase over the 25% the damage bonus im not sure what you mean by tackle as theyre both heavy dictors... but if you mean a web/scramble the devoter fits one just fine. The devoter has 3 mids plenty for prop mod + cap injector + utility Medium pulse lasers have a more ideal engagement envelope for HICs than rails or blasters and they track better than rails. The devoter has an extra low for a damage mod making up for the loss in damage while keeping the same tank The devoter is better than the phobos in every way I disagree that 50% extra tracking is going to be killer. comparison of tech II beam vrs tech II 250 rails with just regualr tech I close range ammo shows the phobos native rails having a better tracking than beams. though most would compare it to pulse with scorch. so yeah the pulse have better tracking but when using jav its not that bad. pluse have 36% better tracking and a 22.8 km engagement range with close range tech II ammo but a switch to antimater greatly increases engagement range up to 33.6 km which is slightly more than the long range ammo for pulse whch tops out at 31km. So at max disruption range the only damage comming from the devoter is from its drones but the phobos can easy switch to uranium and hit what its tackled. So each has thier own bonuses the pulse are great in longer then 10km but shorter then 30km and the blasters are g-d like for less then 10km and rails dominate after 30km. plus having the 4th mid slot adds extra utlity for a small gang where you might not have dedicated e-war ships. I am thinking ions with antimater and a mwd scram web and cap injector. That is going to obliterate ships within range. if you dont want to use a phobos by all means just stick to the ammar one. but i like tech II gal resist specally against kin/thermal heavy damage... each to thier own i guess... I will funny admit that rails do more damage than pulses at all ranges greater than 11 km (although that difference gets MUCH smaller if you use the extra low slot the devoter has for a damage mod) but other than the marginal DPS increase, the devoter is better in every way. It has a better tank, a more reasonable resist profile, better tracking guns (more than twice as well even with the tracking ammo in the railguns). The devoter is just better. |

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Posted - 2014.10.22 23:22:13 -
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Ix Method wrote:You're not wrong but it's not the end of the world. Phobos has a utility niche and Amarr finally get a T2 DPS cruiser that isn't outshone by the Gallente alternative. Everyone wins? because the diemost is used so much more often than the zealot? |

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Posted - 2014.10.30 20:53:49 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:I'm noticing a fair bit of consternation at the fact that the Devoter is getting a small dronebay but the Phobos is not. The optimal bonus on the Phobos has also been raising some eyebrows. The key thing that these players are missing is the distinctive flavour we are working towards giving the entire Roden Shipyards line. The old design for Roden Shipyards was focused on a fairly watered down use of missiles and hybrids. This left them in an underwhelming place compared to the other two Gallente T2 corps.
In the new world order for Gallente T2 ships, each manufacturer has a clear set of strengths and a unifying theme:
Roden Shipyards ships can be used as effective blasterboats, but tend to lean towards railguns with big bonuses to hybrid optimal range and tracking. They are a bit slower than Duvolle ships, and have the weakest drone capability of all the Gallente ships, but they tend to have more low slots and more armor HP, as well as better sensors. I have no problem with the lore here, but as far as balancing is concerned, the devoter does everything the phobos does, but the devoter is just better at it.
from a game balance standpoint, the phobos is underwhelming compared to the devoter....
it does the same damage (pulse lasers + drones vs rails) has a better tank (better resist profile, more slot options) is a little faster is a little smaller (sig radius)
what advantage does the phobos have? |

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Posted - 2014.11.01 09:46:27 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:Sigras wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:I'm noticing a fair bit of consternation at the fact that the Devoter is getting a small dronebay but the Phobos is not. The optimal bonus on the Phobos has also been raising some eyebrows. The key thing that these players are missing is the distinctive flavour we are working towards giving the entire Roden Shipyards line. The old design for Roden Shipyards was focused on a fairly watered down use of missiles and hybrids. This left them in an underwhelming place compared to the other two Gallente T2 corps.
In the new world order for Gallente T2 ships, each manufacturer has a clear set of strengths and a unifying theme:
Roden Shipyards ships can be used as effective blasterboats, but tend to lean towards railguns with big bonuses to hybrid optimal range and tracking. They are a bit slower than Duvolle ships, and have the weakest drone capability of all the Gallente ships, but they tend to have more low slots and more armor HP, as well as better sensors. I have no problem with the lore here, but as far as balancing is concerned, the devoter does everything the phobos does, but the devoter is just better at it. from a game balance standpoint, the phobos is underwhelming compared to the devoter.... it does the same damage (pulse lasers + drones vs rails) has a better tank (better resist profile, more slot options) is a little faster is a little smaller (sig radius) what advantage does the phobos have? An extra mid? I do think you will find the devotor will be king as usual due to its stats for doing the primary role. the phobos will likely be better for dps as rails atm are better than beams (pretty much the same ability's with less fitting and cap use) The devoter gets a range bonus to lasers, so to engage at maximum infini-point range you only need scorch pulse lasers which do almost as much damage as rails, more with drones. |

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Posted - 2014.11.04 00:06:56 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:I don't think the Phobos is as bad as people think, it is better than Devoter at holding targets in place (scram+web-cbooster / dual web+scram). The damage of these won't be a deal-breaker, it basically just means that a HIC adds a bit more meaningful contribution to small gang dps than before. The problem is that a HIC's role is tackling cap ships... there are far better ships for the job if you're tackling something smaller.
Basically this means that the Phobos is good at doing stuff HICs shouldnt be bothering with, and the Devoter is good at the things HICs should be good at. |
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