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Shinon Asahina Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:46:00 - [1] Anyone know why the cost of a Caldari Interceptor is 3x that of other races? Is it just more in demand? I'm considering just going with a Raptor, because its only marginally worse and 1/3 the cost. =\
Valea Silpha Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:48:00 - [2] The short answer is: The crow is broken The long answer is: Missiles don't matter about tracking. Missiles don't use cap. Missiles have long range compared to other weapons in their class. They are the choice for almost all newbie ceptor pilots becuase of the above facts. Although they are also flown by vets who really know what they are doing, but the two crowds combined mean a LOT of demand. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Locke Ateid Minmatar Outrider Fleet Command	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:49:00 - [3] Crows are considered risk-free compared to the other Ceptors, and they are in most situations.
Azerrad	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:49:00 - [4] Demand... theres alot more Caldari in the game than compared the other races, but the same number of Caldari inty BPOs as the other races have.
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.17 01:34:00 - [5] The crow isn't broken, its just easy mode. You don't need to worry about tracking at all, making it apealing to noob caldari ceptor pilots. And since caldari are 40% of the characters in game, you see alot of noobs with missile skills. A smart pilot can reliably win against most crow pilots in other inties, because 95% of crow pilots don't really know what they're doing compared to the pilots of the non-missile inties. --- Originally by: Boris A I found the rock music button!
jbob2000 Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Linavin The crow isn't broken, its just easy mode. You don't need to worry about tracking at all, making it apealing to noob caldari ceptor pilots. And since caldari are 40% of the characters in game, you see alot of noobs with missile skills. A smart pilot can reliably win against most crow pilots in other inties, because 95% of crow pilots don't really know what they're doing compared to the pilots of the non-missile inties. Dude, it is broken. Hitting for the same damage from 0-15km is BROKEN!
Shinon Asahina Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.17 04:22:00 - [7] Well I generally pick what I like to do in games without any prior knowledge -- and then seem to be hated for it later on LOL... Nightshade (assassin) in DAOC, Rogue in WoW (PvE), and know chose Achura because the starting stats were good for Miner/Producer. I like finesse classes, so I'm going for Covert Ops/Interceptors and can't help it if Caldari is "easy mode" ^_^;;
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:34:00 - [8] Originally by: jbob2000 Originally by: Linavin The crow isn't broken, its just easy mode. You don't need to worry about tracking at all, making it apealing to noob caldari ceptor pilots. And since caldari are 40% of the characters in game, you see alot of noobs with missile skills. A smart pilot can reliably win against most crow pilots in other inties, because 95% of crow pilots don't really know what they're doing compared to the pilots of the non-missile inties. Dude, it is broken. Hitting for the same damage from 0-15km is BROKEN! yeah and when in range blasterranis has 3x more dps The Collective Pwn list
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:43:00 - [9] a crow really becomes broken if you faction kit it. Cause it will be orbiting at 25km shooting you with missles going about 5km/s. Basically they have to really ** up to die. In rust we trust!!!**
jbob2000 Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.17 11:54:00 - [10] Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: jbob2000 Originally by: Linavin The crow isn't broken, its just easy mode. You don't need to worry about tracking at all, making it apealing to noob caldari ceptor pilots. And since caldari are 40% of the characters in game, you see alot of noobs with missile skills. A smart pilot can reliably win against most crow pilots in other inties, because 95% of crow pilots don't really know what they're doing compared to the pilots of the non-missile inties. Dude, it is broken. Hitting for the same damage from 0-15km is BROKEN! yeah and when in range blasterranis has 3x more dps Thats the problem though, its really tough to get in a position to do that. With a crow it's just orbit and wait.

Wilfan Ret'nub Singularity.	Posted - 2006.08.17 12:47:00 - [11] Crow is too fast and too light for a missile boat. At least its mass and max. velocity should be swapped with Raptor.
Grifter Treysik Caldari Caldar Mercenary Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.17 13:31:00 - [12] Originally by: jbob2000 Originally by: Linavin The crow isn't broken, its just easy mode. You don't need to worry about tracking at all, making it apealing to noob caldari ceptor pilots. And since caldari are 40% of the characters in game, you see alot of noobs with missile skills. A smart pilot can reliably win against most crow pilots in other inties, because 95% of crow pilots don't really know what they're doing compared to the pilots of the non-missile inties. Dude, it is broken. Hitting for the same damage from 0-15km is BROKEN! I would assume then (and correct me if I am wrong), that you are saying all missile boats are broken? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Grifter Treysik Originally by: jbob2000 Originally by: Linavin The crow isn't broken, its just easy mode. You don't need to worry about tracking at all, making it apealing to noob caldari ceptor pilots. And since caldari are 40% of the characters in game, you see alot of noobs with missile skills. A smart pilot can reliably win against most crow pilots in other inties, because 95% of crow pilots don't really know what they're doing compared to the pilots of the non-missile inties. Dude, it is broken. Hitting for the same damage from 0-15km is BROKEN! I would assume then (and correct me if I am wrong), that you are saying all missile boats are broken? There is no inty that can beat crow atm.(it happens, ofc, some people are learning to fly etc) but in general there is a huge gap between crow and any other inty. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Vathar Elegance	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:12:00 - [14] As it's been said, 90% of crow pilots have no clue about what tey're doing and thus tend to get popped fairly often. therefore they need to replace their crow and increase demand. Usually, I view crow as preys since good crow pilots are quite rare, but when I happen to meet one, I stand a good chance of being popped! _ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Vathar As it's been said, 90% of crow pilots have no clue about what tey're doing and thus tend to get popped fairly often. therefore they need to replace their crow and increase demand. Usually, I view crow as preys since good crow pilots are quite rare, but when I happen to meet one, I stand a good chance of being popped! all it takes is gistii mwd and nano and set orbit 15 (17 for the leet) ... then he doesn't really need to think / know much, apart from f1-f3 --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:51:00 - [16] Originally by: LUKEC There is no inty that can beat crow atm.(it happens, ofc, some people are learning to fly etc) but in general there is a huge gap between crow and any other inty. Originally by: LUKEC all it takes is gistii mwd and nano and set orbit 15 (17 for the leet) ... then he doesn't really need to think / know much, apart from f1-f3 If I see a Crow when flying my Raptor, I'm excited. If I see Taranis, Amarr or Matari ceptor, I run. Just a kick reminder: missiles don't fly in a straight path, so chill with theoretical range figures, please. And stop fitting plates to your ceptors, you'll probably whine less. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Calian Caldari The Makaze Blade	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:51:00 - [17] Originally by: LUKEC all it takes is gistii mwd and nano and set orbit 15 (17 for the leet) ... then he doesn't really need to think / know much, apart from f1-f3 Till he meets a rocket ship and gets owned in under 5 seconds ------------------------- I hate everyone, except you.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Calian Originally by: LUKEC all it takes is gistii mwd and nano and set orbit 15 (17 for the leet) ... then he doesn't really need to think / know much, apart from f1-f3 Till he meets a rocket ship and gets owned in under 5 seconds Really? Would you care to demonstrate me? Mail me with location or something. And huh ... only rocket ship that is worth something is ... crow. And sorja, stop your bull****, raptor gets wtfpwned by missile crow. Yes we know how well it was possible to exploit rocket range with any inty, but nobody flies rocket crow these days. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:44:00 - [19] Originally by: LUKEC .. And sorja, stop your bull****, raptor gets wtfpwned by missile crow. Yes we know how well it was possible to exploit rocket range with any inty, but nobody flies rocket crow these days. Exept in certain tournaments. Not that it helped.
Alain Josviar Minmatar Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Valea Silpha The short answer is: The crow is broken The Crow isn't broken, but what is broken is turret tracking. CCP treats transversal velocity like a ship's turret is always the at the center and the intended target is orbiting around the turret ship, which when a turret ship is orbiting a target is false. IRL when a turret ship orbits a stationary or very slow moving object (webbed target) the ships turrets barely need to move; in fact if the target is stationary and the turret ship keeps a constant orbit velocity and distance then its turrets would just need to move to one position and stay there. i.e. transversal velocity would be zero for the attacker relative to his turrets, but the opposite would be the case for the defender. Missile spammers don't have to worry about transversal and neither do drone users to a point, which is why those ships are the hot sellers.

Radcjk	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:44:00 - [21] Missles ships cant snipe, shields that dont melt like butter cost tackiling or other med slot equipment, and untill you spend the time to get into Battleships or or T2, most Caldari ships are built out of wet toilet paper (refer to butter like shileds defending said toilet paper) The crow is one of the few Caldari ships that has a chance to shine omgwtf missles have no tracking oh noes its broken. Please...The raptor doesnt even get a tracking bonus for its two turrets. So we have a ship that doesnt miss and a ship that can only really use half its weapons. Yay
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:03:00 - [22] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Calian Originally by: LUKEC all it takes is gistii mwd and nano and set orbit 15 (17 for the leet) ... then he doesn't really need to think / know much, apart from f1-f3 Till he meets a rocket ship and gets owned in under 5 seconds Really? Would you care to demonstrate me? Mail me with location or something. And huh ... only rocket ship that is worth something is ... crow. And sorja, stop your bull****, raptor gets wtfpwned by missile crow. Yes we know how well it was possible to exploit rocket range with any inty, but nobody flies rocket crow these days. I still fly a rocket crow, am I behind the times? Sorry, I'm more of a taranis pilot but I have a crow for sunday walks in the park... Those missile crows are fairly easy to kill with a rail ranis... Unless they are very good at kiting in and out of range to launch missiles, but then they can't cramble very well... Rail ranis has better damage and will outlast that crow if it doesn't have a plate. Pity the fool
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:38:00 - [23] Edited by: LUKEC on 17/08/2006 18:39:27 Edited by: LUKEC on 17/08/2006 18:39:01 1638 shield without implants and before gang skills. I wonder how pew pew from taranis beats that while it has maybe 1000 armor ... Not that it hits much. Actually he won't even lock much by the time he will be in middle armor. Edit: maybe i could try inty vs inty with my chars lol... but i have to figure out how to hold 2 mice ... --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
IamBen Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:40:00 - [24] A crow is a great ceptor because its reasonably fast and does lots of damage. In addition, with maxed out skills it can fire rockets at 12k making it very deadly. However, since the price has become so expensive i've started flying an ares which is quite good for the price.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Radcjk Missles ships cant snipe, shields that dont melt like butter cost tackiling or other med slot equipment, and untill you spend the time to get into Battleships or or T2, most Caldari ships are built out of wet toilet paper (refer to butter like shileds defending said toilet paper) The crow is one of the few Caldari ships that has a chance to shine omgwtf missles have no tracking oh noes its broken. Please...The raptor doesnt even get a tracking bonus for its two turrets. So we have a ship that doesnt miss and a ship that can only really use half its weapons. Yay The problem with the no tracking on the crow is that it allows people to get them up to insane speeds (gistii mwd + snakes anyone) and still do max damage. A turret ship orbiting it's victim at 6km/s isn't going to hit worth a damn. Where as a crow can. Put a faction disruptor on your crow and now you're basically unkillable unless you screw up really bad as you can comfortably hit from 24km In rust we trust!!!
Radcjk	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:49:00 - [26] Murukan - Most excellent points. I can't not agree with that. Still, I don't think you average or typical crow has said items and implants. If every crow had said equipment I'm sure every one would fly it. But much like any other elite ship or BS the scarey ones are the older pilots with the skills, gear, and know how. Anything short of a faction mwd and implant combo dies to other ceptors real fast. Some days you pwn. Other days you're just out classed. Nature of the beast, I'm afraid.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:54:00 - [27] You can fit a medium shield extender on a crow AND a full rack of launchers? How the hell do you get that much shield? Thats pretty unfair, IMO... So, if the crow doesn't fit a web, a plated ranis will own it if it gets in web range... Pity the fool
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain You can fit a medium shield extender on a crow AND a full rack of launchers? How the hell do you get that much shield? Thats pretty unfair, IMO... So, if the crow doesn't fit a web, a plated ranis will own it if it gets in web range... Dunno, they always manage to move themselves out of web range. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Pesht	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:56:00 - [29] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Calian Originally by: LUKEC all it takes is gistii mwd and nano and set orbit 15 (17 for the leet) ... then he doesn't really need to think / know much, apart from f1-f3 Till he meets a rocket ship and gets owned in under 5 seconds Really? Would you care to demonstrate me? Mail me with location or something. And huh ... only rocket ship that is worth something is ... crow. Rockets do practically full damage against an inty even if it's going 5kms, and precision light missiles will do even more since they get 20 sig radius and 4500 explosion velocity, which will destroy an inty in seconds since it totally negates their speed and they're just an untanked frig then. Both of which can be used quite effectively by a hawk, which could tank a crow's damage in it's sleep.
jernej	Posted - 2006.08.18 01:43:00 - [30] Have you ever tried to tackle an inty with a hawk ?



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