Wrong.

Rather than whine on the forum, James 315 used the petition system to ensure that what he was doing complied with the rules. He was given GM guidance on that issue. CCP in now way specifically endorse what we do, though they presumably generally endorse us asploding spaceships.

OP mentions minerbumping.com several times in her post. I now feel compelled to visit the site again and get the latest mewlings from the sickly and weak.

Thank you for advertising their website.

I personally don't. I have thicker skin than that but it was really reading their repost and gloating over victims' outrage made me post this. I think people are outraged for a reason, and the reason is not ganking. They are having trouble fighting CODE because their disguise as roleplay is quite good.

I'm also interested in making EVE a better place for other players who might have difficulty pinpointing and articulating what exactly is wrong with these rather proficient spindoctors. Took me a while to formuate it in my head.

CODE is the cancer killing Eve.

CODE is the cancer killing Eve.

Oh man, just when this thread couldn't get any funnier. BTW, how's the resistance going?

Shouldn't we call his so called resistance 'Chemo' instead?

Shouldn't we call his so called resistance 'Chemo' instead?

I've formulated my understanding of how and why CODE operates and would like to propose a petition to

1) Permanently ban all their leadership
2) Establish new guidelines for how player post-gank humiliation is unacceptable behavior in EVE

The reasons for this are:


I believe that they gank for player humiliation (not profit) and it's their primary goal.


This belief is based on them contacting players repeatedly after they ganked them even after they told them that they don't want their permit.

0) There's really no need to go any further than the recent quotation on minerbumping of death threats that they received from a ganked player. Quoting such disturbed people, sending them follow up "umadbro" mails and tryign to infuriate them even more clearly shows that their objective is to produce such reaction and they derive satisfaction from it. It's also sad that we harbor such sick individuals within the EVE community.
a) Posting their "tears" publically on their website, almost daily (see minerbumping.com), including frequently information that is highly derogatory and came from a player that is angry over a loss of their spaceship
b) Rubbing it in after the gank, repeated convos to players who are already outraged over the loss of their spaceship
c) Attempts to get them on voice comms, record their rage and publish it on soundcloud/youtube
b) They gank completely empty freighters
e) They repeatedly try to sell permits to people who already repeatedly said no at least 20 times
f) After they sell their permits they revoke it based on being AFK in station, so the permits are not designed for profit but for player griefing because it's impossible to comply with the terms of the "permit"
g) If you read their website you can see that James 315 is a sick self aggrandizing individual
h) You can see that CCP has failed thus far to ban them because they don't quite see through their sickly disguised roleplay what they are really doing or are having difficulties navigating their behavior disguised as grey area roleplay.

Therefore I believe that these people or at least their leadership is basically a group of sick individuals who derive pleasure primarily from their victims' suffering and need out of game psychiatric help. We as players are not qualified to give them this help and neither is CCP. In the meantime the game would be better off without them. Let's play with respect and make EVE a better place where pirates seek profits and not player humiliation.

Please +1 if you feel the same way.

Also whenever you get contacted by them for post gank or with an offer to buy a permit, petition them to CCP for humiliation using the factual rationale provided above.

Note that this is not about highsec ganking, it's about this group of sick individuals who basically use EVE for griefing and derive pleasure from it.

At this point i feel like any compromise such as them "fixing up" their behavior is unacceptable and they need to be permanently banned from the game. Minerbumping.com needs to be shut down and these players who unfortunately can't behave in a respectful way expunged from the EVE gaming community.

(There are other issues with actual game mechanics that are questionable, such as bumping to get ready in position and the victim being unable to do anything about it and the fact that people can use 40 ISBoxed thrashers. Neither of those things seem quite right but i can see how people can disagree on that.)

I've formulated my understanding of how and why CODE operates and would like to propose a petition to

1) Permanently ban all their leadership
2) Establish new guidelines for how player post-gank humiliation is unacceptable behavior in EVE

The reasons for this are:


I believe that they gank for player humiliation (not profit) and it's their primary goal.


This belief is based on them contacting players repeatedly after they ganked them even after they told them that they don't want their permit.

0) There's really no need to go any further than the recent quotation on minerbumping of death threats that they received from a ganked player. Quoting such disturbed people, sending them follow up "umadbro" mails and tryign to infuriate them even more clearly shows that their objective is to produce such reaction and they derive satisfaction from it. It's also sad that we harbor such sick individuals within the EVE community.
a) Posting their "tears" publically on their website, almost daily (see minerbumping.com), including frequently information that is highly derogatory and came from a player that is angry over a loss of their spaceship
b) Rubbing it in after the gank, repeated convos to players who are already outraged over the loss of their spaceship
c) Attempts to get them on voice comms, record their rage and publish it on soundcloud/youtube
b) They gank completely empty freighters
e) They repeatedly try to sell permits to people who already repeatedly said no at least 20 times
f) After they sell their permits they revoke it based on being AFK in station, so the permits are not designed for profit but for player griefing because it's impossible to comply with the terms of the "permit"
g) If you read their website you can see that James 315 is a sick self aggrandizing individual
h) You can see that CCP has failed thus far to ban them because they don't quite see through their sickly disguised roleplay what they are really doing or are having difficulties navigating their behavior disguised as grey area roleplay.

Therefore I believe that these people or at least their leadership is basically a group of sick individuals who derive pleasure primarily from their victims' suffering and need out of game psychiatric help. We as players are not qualified to give them this help and neither is CCP. In the meantime the game would be better off without them. Let's play with respect and make EVE a better place where pirates seek profits and not player humiliation.

Please +1 if you feel the same way.

Also whenever you get contacted by them for post gank or with an offer to buy a permit, petition them to CCP for humiliation using the factual rationale provided above.

Note that this is not about highsec ganking, it's about this group of sick individuals who basically use EVE for griefing and derive pleasure from it.

At this point i feel like any compromise such as them "fixing up" their behavior is unacceptable and they need to be permanently banned from the game. Minerbumping.com needs to be shut down and these players who unfortunately can't behave in a respectful way expunged from the EVE gaming community.

(There are other issues with actual game mechanics that are questionable, such as bumping to get ready in position and the victim being unable to do anything about it and the fact that people can use 40 ISBoxed thrashers. Neither of those things seem quite right but i can see how people can disagree on that.)

Ok, so you see the problem. Code members do nothing different than many of the other players groups in Eve with the exception that perhaps their main opponents are disparate, often PvE focused players who have a penchant for coming to the forums to whine about their losses. Eve is full of PvP conflict, trash talk and propaganda, as would be expected from a game that was explicitly designed to pit one player against another - Code is nothing special in this regard.

If you are serious about this, you first need to change your petition to not be centered around banning a specific player group, rather you should petition for a change in harassment policies themselves. Specifically singling out a player group to be banned because of what really boils down to is "I don't like them" will not fly and just makes you look like just another butthurt Code victim begging CCP to change the rules in your favour.

So now the problem is what do you want the new definition of harassment to be? It can't be one player feeling bad because he was beaten at the game by another player (such as a miner losing his ship to a ganker) as you would then ban PvP. Would you then suggest some 'sportsmanship' clause that prohibits players from interacting negatively with other players they have beaten? But Eve is a sandbox so how do you know what a victory condition is? And how will you police this, especially if the interaction takes place in a third-party medium like Teamspeak or on the forum of a website. And who will decide where the line is when a good-natured vow of in-game revenge become a threat or harassment?

Honestly, if you actually managed to get a 'sportmanship' clause enacted, more carebears would get hit with bans for their bad reactions to being ganked then would Code members who seem to be in much better control of their behaviour. Perhaps it is because they understand that Eve is just a game, one where you can indeed choose to play the villain.

I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery).

LOL, welcome in EVE! you must be new?
just for info +/-90% of player base are sociopath and ccp approve. deal with it?

I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery).

I agree with you on this, you can file a DMCA Takedown request with the fact that they are using extorion, racketeering and money laundering thru their website (minerbumping.com) as the base reasons why such a request is made. Also to petition CCP thru normal channels for the removal of all the accounts thru permabans and stating again the reasons why (Extortion, Racketeering, money laundery).

I mean wouldn't it be easier to purchase the permit and follow The Code as a compliant person rather than risk more of your ships like you have recently?

PS. I appreciate your addition to my jar.

LOL, welcome in EVE! you must be new?
just for info +/-90% of player base are sociopath and ccp approve. deal with it?

Sometimes i think you are right :(

But i still have hope that it's just the loud minority.

Why don't you go shove your head up your Anal Canal where it belongs?

The rest of non nerds are too busy playing eve

Why don't you go shove your head up your Anal Canal where it belongs?

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Now that is some impressive tinfoil hattery right there.