Did you try checking the EULA?

So i was running transport missions for some standings when i run across someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, if so i wonder how much weight that carries...

It was said in highsec. It carries no weight.

If you were to take everything that highsec says is "EULA breaking" as absolute fact, then anyone with a sec status under 5.0 should be lined up and shot for being a dirty griefing fatherless pirate with mommy issues and envy of the nether-regions.

So i was running transport missions for some standings when i run across someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, if so i wonder how much weight that carries and i know a lot of people that could get into trouble over that then.

xxxxxxx xxxx> delibrate war avoidence btw is in violation on eula

ideas or statements?

ready, set, discuss

You encountered something we like to call "ELITE HISEC PVPER". They are unable to mount any kind of offensive or defensive against an entity which can cobble up a kitchen sink of more than 4 ships and they will instead sit in a station for a week and wardec something else which cannot fight back.

... someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA,

You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed.

Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form.

You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed.

Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form.

1. You may not abuse, harass or threatenanother player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

In fact.
A few important passages from the Terms of Service that apply to an harassment case like this. Remember that CCP is quite arbitrary so there's no guarantee they will keep it up, but you are always able to file a ticket about someone who deliberately harasses you. CCP doesn't take lightly to harassment of newbro's.

https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/



Secondly:

How is leaving a corporation "abusing, harassing or threatening another player or authorized representative of CCP"?

Did you try checking the EULA?

Why if he can just post here and let someone else do the work for him?

You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed.

Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form.

The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah.

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Ill agree with this if declaring war was harder then it is now, right now I can wardec you for lulz and there isn't anything you can do about it cept leave your corp.

Ill agree with this if declaring war was harder then it is now, right now I can wardec you for lulz and there isn't anything you can do about it cept leave your corp.

Or, and bear with me here... you could just play the game. Whether that means active evasion tactics, or shooting back.

Oh for sure that is an option, until your a new corp with a noob ceo, and no one knows how to pvp. Your not used to losing ships, and you would be right to say these guys shouldn't be CEO's or in these corps to begin with.

The members realize this and leave the corp to escape a bad thing that no one was ready for, but the wardec follows them as they are completely outclassed, and out skilled (RL skill not sp). Now they are stuck docked because they don't know how to avoid the fights otherwise, and when they move 50 jumps away and you locate them its even worse for them.

That last part.

Yes, they should not exist. Corps like that very often tell new players to spend their first three months of the game mining. I know this because I recently went on a solo awox campaign, and by far the majority of the "new player friendly" corps I joined tried to funnel me into mining.

If that doesn't hurt player retention, I don't know what does.




You're forgetting about the part where, after the implementation of this, such corps will cease to exist. At which point the problem you are pointing out simply disappears.

Yes, there will be some growing pains when it comes to stamping out the toxic highsec corps that amount to nothing more than glorified chat channels. The end result is worth it. (note, this is pretty much exactly the stance CCP is taking about the nullsec travel changes)

Those corps wont stop existing, new players wont know any better. And ceo's taking advantage of new players till a wardec happens wont stop either.

Not every corp is great like ROC, you know and realize that, which is great, but nothing about that change would stop noob corps or ceo's from doing something stupid and the new members get ran out of the game because the wardecs follow them.

I'm all for showing new players what a stupid ceo or recruiter looks like. And what happens to a poorly managed corp, but once they leave, I wish them the best. I don't keep following them after they find out how fail the corp is.

So then it sounds like you'd be all for a system that places a cooldown on corp creation after having left a player corp, and for increasing the cost of corp creation.

My solution to this problem is simple.



Never leave the NPC corp.

We didn't even make it past the first page before someone whipped out the "harassment" lie again.

For the record, it is not harassment to repeatedly wardec someone if they corp hop or dec dodge you. It is not harassment to suicide gank someone more than once if they continue to fail at defending themselves. They actually have to "make an effort" to avoid you, and that does not include blithely trying to pretend that EVE is a single player game.

You are allowed to make a point in EVE Online, and you are allowed to do it with someone else's repeated demise.

The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah.

You are in a high-sec "merc" alliance which does nothing but pick on newbros.

The fact that it is practical and economical for you guys to keep up wardecs on thousands of players in dozens of corps at once exemplifies the need for additional nerfs to the wardec system, such as a doubling of the wardec fee for each concurrent war declaration.


Sitting at Niarja and shooting people who are auto-piloting from Amarr to Jita is not being a brave little warrior, Feyd. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Don't act like your alliance's wars exist for any other reason, because they don't. You aren't removing POSes or POCOs; you aren't fighting over space, and you aren't attacking corps who have any connection to nullsec blocs. You're just shooting up helpless newbie mission-runners and miners.

You are in a high-sec "merc" alliance which does nothing but pick on newbros.

The fact that it is practical and economical for you guys to keep up wardecs on thousands of players in dozens of corps at once exemplifies the need for additional nerfs to the wardec system, such as a doubling of the wardec fee for each concurrent war declaration.

You're just shooting up helpless newbie mission-runners and miners.

For the record, I would advise to not push your luck too far as CCP have demonstrated a will to handle rules in more or less draconian way depending on how big a case get outside of the game. What CCP will consider harassement and what they will consider enough effort to avoid you is completely subjective to every single case and we all know it. The fact that some people don't accept it does not mean it can't happen.

The fact that, to actually get kills, you are forced to wardec dozens of corps at once just exemplifies the need to buff the wardec system considerably.

Nope. Screw that.

If I gank someone, then they simply reship and go back to being afk in exactly the same belt, yes, I will kill them again. And I will keep doing it until they either give up or get the point.

Blind, stupid insistence on failing in your self defense does not make the inevitable consequences "harassment".

And until CCP decides to stop turning a blind eye to the constant verbal attacks, repeated doxxing, and countless real life threats that occurr every day to the "bad guys" in EVE Online, I will behave as I please. If the rules do not apply equally, they don't apply at all.

Here's an idea: dec someone who has more than 5 players online, use a locator agent, and go shoot them.

Shocking fact: most players do not spend the majority of their time in Niarja.

The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah.

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Wardecs are meaningful already: they are a way to clear abandoned POSes out of hisec, a means to clear POSes out of lowsec without security status penalty, and a means to communicate down votes for forum posts.

You are in a high-sec "merc" alliance which does nothing but pick on newbros.

The fact that it is practical and economical for you guys to keep up wardecs on thousands of players in dozens of corps at once exemplifies the need for additional nerfs to the wardec system, such as a doubling of the wardec fee for each concurrent war declaration.


Sitting at Niarja and shooting people who are auto-piloting from Amarr to Jita is not being a brave little warrior, Feyd. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Don't act like your alliance's wars exist for any other reason, because they don't. You aren't removing POSes or POCOs; you aren't fighting over space, and you aren't attacking corps who have any connection to nullsec blocs. You're just shooting up helpless newbie mission-runners and miners.

You are in a high-sec "merc" alliance which does nothing but pick on newbros.

The fact that it is practical and economical for you guys to keep up wardecs on thousands of players in dozens of corps at once exemplifies the need for additional nerfs to the wardec system, such as a doubling of the wardec fee for each concurrent war declaration.


Sitting at Niarja and shooting people who are auto-piloting from Amarr to Jita is not being a brave little warrior, Feyd. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Don't act like your alliance's wars exist for any other reason, because they don't. You aren't removing POSes or POCOs; you aren't fighting over space, and you aren't attacking corps who have any connection to nullsec blocs. You're just shooting up helpless newbie mission-runners and miners.

I remember when I had a little carebear corp. I was having all the fun in the world running missions while my corp mates would afk mine all day. Then one night, I recruited Psychotic Monk into my corp. I do remember him being an ok guy, and I was impress by all those things I did not know were possible. After managing to kick him, I got a wardec by one of his buds. Now this is where things began to change for me. I had 0 pvp experience and had no clue as to what to expect. While most of my corpies dropped corp to go back to afk mining, I remained to fight for my flag.

The following week was very interesting as I was discovering a side of Eve that I did not know existed. Since I was now alone against this fellow, I tried to recruit a merc called Cannibal Kane.. He promptly offered to help me and scammed me out of all my isk (something like 650m at the time). That was the only time I tried to hire someone, but was still stoked that all those people were out there.

So alone and pennyless, I still tried to fight the wardecer off. Of course, I died horribly in a ball of fire, but the veil had been lifted and i would never see Eve the same way again. I tried to share my new found happiness about the game to my former corp mates, but they were too busy being afk. in the end, all of them unsubed citing Eve is boring an theres nothing to do.

Now the crux of the matter is that no, droping corp to avoid wardecs is not an exploit (although dropping and reforming instantly should be. Imo, one should be forced to stay in an npc corp for the duration of the dec if you drop) but doing so will deprive you of the hidden oppotunities in Eve.. things that you would never do if "left alone".

This is the carebear mentality, ladies and gentlemen.

Look how it spins the hamster wheels in it's brain to try and justify this. Apparently, CCP designed the existing wardec mechanic to...

*drumroll*

Clear out unused POSes!

Oh, fantastic. I am so relieved to hear this, it is such a load off my mind. Now if I can just get some documentation from you, of CCP saying that non consensual PvP is not wanted in highsec, I'll go ahead and cancel my account now.

Avoiding wardecs by corp jumping is not against the EULA. Chasing people who corp-jump by continually warding that person through multiple corps can be construed as harassment (there are plenty of other fish in the pond, why are you picking on just that one?)

Jumping corps is an excellent way of farming hisec carebear tears though: "it's not fair that it costs me 50M ISK to declare war on this character every time they move to a new corporation! I want EVE to be easy for me! I paid my 50M ISK dammit, now I want some risk free PVP!"