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Angsty Teenager
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
608
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Posted - 2014.10.21 05:20:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Angst does make good points, but sometimes they're made with so much anger that it just comes off as a troll or rage. Lazerhawks, at least, cares enough about w-space to do something about it, and I'm not just talking about forum posts and in game channels. We like to shake things up, too, and see how the community handles it.
Good, I look forward to seeing battlereports. |
Klarion Sythis
Lazerhawks
313
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Posted - 2014.10.21 05:30:00 -
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I don't think it's a good idea to rely on CCP to magic some content into exist for us. It's also unnecessary.
Just like N3PL and CFC (not aimed at you this time) could go create some content by going to war with one another, so could we by going and invading HK or something. Same issues; the people suggesting it don't have anything on the line, but more importantly, why?
This again applies to your argument that there's plenty of K-Space content but at the end of the day it's avoiding SOV content because that **** sucks right now. PL drops HERO/Provi instead and Major W-Space groups murder null carriers instead.
We could both blow up our respective worlds but there's almost no motivation to do so. This initiative still seems like the best bet to me, but I'm quite willing to listen to good ideas. |
RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc. Irresponsible Use of Capital.
415
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Posted - 2014.10.21 06:58:00 -
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if i would b able to speak english well i would speak as Angst. others r just pussies and know nothing about subject |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1937
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Posted - 2014.10.21 07:06:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote: I don't think it's a good idea to rely on CCP to magic some content into exist for us. It's also unnecessary.
Just like N3PL and CFC (not aimed at you this time) could go create some content by going to war with one another, so could we by going and invading HK or something. Same issues; the people suggesting it don't have anything on the line, but more importantly, why?
That's not content, it's players interacting with the game and each other. You aren't adding to the content of book by read it and discuss with your friends what you did and didn't like.
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
521
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Posted - 2014.10.21 10:06:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:My suggestion would be to use the RvB model where two noob friendly groups fight each other but also work together to achieve their original goal. So, you're supporting the Blue Donut? Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne Snip, Please refrain from profanities - ISD Atomic Dove |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1937
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Posted - 2014.10.21 10:51:00 -
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No, the red Vs. blue model... Was i not clear the first time?
The two groups in red Vs. blue are at constant war with each other but they come together to fight external threats. People in red vs. blue often make friends and go off and create their own corps. Now apply that to low class wormhole space and you will have a noow friendly, target rich environment that has a procedure in place to combat evictions by third parties.
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Abraham Nalelmir
Probe Patrol
42
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:37:43 -
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Rek Seven wrote:No, the red Vs. blue model... Was i not clear the first time? The two groups in red Vs. blue are at constant war with each other but they come together to fight external threats. People in red vs. blue often make friends and go off and create their own corps. Now apply that to low class wormhole space and you will have a noob friendly, target rich environment that has a procedure in place to combat evictions. Eventually separate groups would form around this and the occupation of wormhole systems will increase. That's what I want to see around in w-space, I had some small thoughts about something similar to this long ago, but I was new to whs back then, and the group I was with was still growing... so I did not manage to make it more than just thoughts
In Go.. ECM I trust
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1939
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Posted - 2014.10.21 11:55:17 -
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Maybe we could start something like this Abraham
+1
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Dirk Action
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
263
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:00:34 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Angsty Teenager wrote:NO
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That's your arguement right now, nice job. No wonder WHs suck, your stupidity is confusing CCPs designers Why should anyone exert any effort to give you a good response? I'm already overextended giving you my time. All you do is come here and complain about everything, doing your best to belittle people. I wonder why you bother here, but I already know the answer; you're PL's mascot for poaching w-space corps/pilots. You'll deny this of course.
lmao
ok little buddy |
Elecitrickery
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
3
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:00:47 -
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I think the RvB model would work nicely ... would need some help from the more established WH-corps to get going. (and yes that means they would need to be blue for at least some amount of time to let them get settled).
Also with an agreement, that the larger corps would help save their ass's if some larger entity turned up wanting to spoil everyone's fun. (which lets be frank, could happen just to be spiteful)
It would need a couple of WH's finding, preferably with HS + "another" static .... to make it easier for people to traverse into and out of WH space.
Also in a RvB situation you'd need a HS static other wise you'd not fight each other all that often (at least until each had cloaky scanners in each others holes).
On top of this it would need a few people from the WH community to step up and help get it setup, also maybe from RvB's leadership as well for a little help.
And Yes, to re-iterate, there would HAVE to be a lot of blues set at first to help get this thing going, but once established all blues could be removed and then there is more fun for everyone. It would need a combined effort from the WH community to setup.
All in all I thinks its both doable, and a good idea!
just my thoughts.
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Agrippa Arkaral
Vertical Rebirth
16
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:16:03 -
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
521
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:50:51 -
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Ha! Quafe shirt not showing. This works, too.
Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Snip, Please refrain from profanities - ISD Atomic Dove
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
721
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:29:22 -
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RudinV wrote:if i would b able to speak english well i would speak as Angst. others r just pussies and know nothing about subject
I will help you to translate into ***** language others can understand))
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Teleil Zoomers
Usque Ad Mortem TCC.
3
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Posted - 2014.10.21 14:49:40 -
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So I'm newer but if I understand correctly .... Evictions are good because they are content which opens up jspace to more newer groups which leads to more evictions.
Not sure if I agree with that theory |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
204
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:32:22 -
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I like the concept of an RvB style conflict, but I am having some trouble picturing how it would need to be structured to actually work in w-space. It seems to me, and we already have a couple of these corps out there, that the entry requirements just be relaxed to allow anyone that wants to come play to be able to do so with minimal skills/experience. Unfortunately that opens up all the problems the high entry requirements have been put in place to avoid such as folks stealing corps blind. Lol. And with so many systems, how long would it take for any 2 given groups to bump into each other, particularly if they were in a low class wh? Seems no better than what we have now and in the end, more groups willing to do stuff would provide more content overall.
Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
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Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
181
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Posted - 2014.10.21 16:38:18 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:I like the concept of an RvB style conflict, but I am having some trouble picturing how it would need to be structured to actually work in w-space. It seems to me, and we already have a couple of these corps out there, that the entry requirements just be relaxed to allow anyone that wants to come play to be able to do so with minimal skills/experience. Unfortunately that opens up all the problems the high entry requirements have been put in place to avoid such as folks stealing corps blind. Lol. And with so many systems, how long would it take for any 2 given groups to bump into each other, particularly if they were in a low class wh? Seems no better than what we have now and in the end, more groups willing to do stuff would provide more content overall.
Until the POS mechanics change, I don't see how this would function at any reasonable scale. If you cannot protect player assets then it is just a disaster waiting to happen.
I often wondered why groups with 50+ POS (see corbexx's latest blog post RE: NOHO) doesn't spread out and occupy more wormhole systems vs. all congregating in a single place.
But maybe the truth behind it all is that w-space just doesn't work with those models. Logistics becomes overly difficult. Connecting with corp/alliance mates turns into a scan-fest that kills time.
Perhaps with sov and NPC null as an example, maybe wormhole space simply needs uncontestable space between occupied systems. Places with no moons to anchor at but other resources worth fighting over and a high level of connectivity ensuring that it is highly interactive. It would have to be something very novel to bring people into it because otherwise it would simply be a PvP hunting ground looking for those interested in getting those resources... |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1939
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Posted - 2014.10.21 17:05:57 -
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It could work quite easily if you set it up right... Yes things will be a lot easier once corp roles and access rights are improved but there are several things you can do to secure your stuff through a system of combining roles, separate pos, pos paswords and personal hangars.
There would probably be a limit on the number of people you could have in a system before things get unmanageable/too costly so you simple move half of your corp to a second wormhole when this happens, rinse and repeat.
Day to day, these groups would do the same thing all wormholes do (shoot sleepers and pvp) but they have the added activity created around being under constant war and having a nemesis. The bigger the two sided get, the more they will bump into each other.
Personally, i would start this by having both groups move into their own C2 wormholes that have static HS and a static wormhole connection.
+1
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
178
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Posted - 2014.10.21 18:08:10 -
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Advice for people moving to wormholes? Pick a C4 with C4 and C2 xtatics
see what I did there
But it is true, the new superhighway of awesome. |
Kalseth
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
41
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Posted - 2014.10.21 18:08:48 -
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Come to WH's ... WE HAVE PIE.
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
178
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Posted - 2014.10.21 18:09:16 -
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Also, **** agreed fights |
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
526
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Posted - 2014.10.21 20:23:00 -
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Isnt that how many wh groups already behave (FAP)?
W-Space Realtor
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Adarnof
Free Trade Monopoly You Are Being Monitored
46
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Posted - 2014.10.21 20:48:09 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:The difference is that in other areas of space there are many more entities that aren't part of the circlejerk and plenty of content that can be found and had in other areas.
It seems to me you're just mad at the few big groups because they won't evict each other. Yet you go on to say:
Angsty Teenager wrote:The dynamics are completely different, there are contests for space, moons, money that can and do happen in k-space, but don't in w-space because as freeman said, there is no driving lack of space or money.
Would you rather we engineer our own lack of space and money? In who's benefit would that be? Sure evictions are content generators, but squabbles over nothing are well beyond pointless. I like to think wspace has the most intelligent population of players, so is it a surprise we've realized the futility of your desired "content"?
Angsty Teenager wrote:It's stupid to compare w-space to k-space, the systems are completely different. You are correct in saying that the same thing has happened in k-space as has happened in w-space--this is player nature. I'm not arguing this. But the fact is that while both are a joke, WH's are more of a joke because there is literally nothing else, while in k-space there are many many many more avenues to get pvp and content out of than for w-space.
So it's our fault wormhole mechanics prevent us from experiencing more "avenues to get pvp and content"? We live in a broken system, there's no doubt about that. Is this something players can fix? I have my doubts. Even exploring your "disband the circlejerk" argument, sure we'd have a few evictions off the bat but then we'd run out of entities in wspace. Back to the original problem, this time with fewer people around to notice.
If you want groups to start brawling, there needs to be a motive. Look at the recent SSC/ADHOC action: it was an old feud. A personal grudge. What did SSC get out of it? A little content, and now there's 1 less contender in wspace. There are only two reasons to fight in wormholes these days, and that's out of desperation for content or a personal grudge. Again, is this a player-created problem? Not as far as I can see.
So where's the motive to disband this "circlejerk"? I don't see one. As much as I'm all for content, I don't think making groups hate each other is the right approach. More content can only come from more people actively involved in the space, hence the reason for this campaign. Sure it means the "circlejerk" gets larger, but it also means everyone's having a good time shooting each other.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
1728
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Posted - 2014.10.22 00:27:03 -
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Christ on a buttered toast. What the hell is wrong with you people? Like i said, if any newbro wants to see how w-space dysfunctions, just look at this thread. Or joun Gunner GzR's channel which is Low Class fail recruitment channel.
Seriously half the time they were "lets be blue!'.
No. I won't be blue. i won't be red. I'll be on team green or yellow.
I will follow the Unknown Code. If I've got some caps to gank (as low-quality as you may consider that PVP to be, whatever, if someone's screwed up I'm killing his caps) and I lack PVP pilots, then I'll ring your doorbell. If you backstab, you don't get invited again. If I encounter you the next day, and I believe I've got a chance, I'll have a swing at you.
I won't be "red" either. That's assumed. But I'm not going to evict people unless they are terrible farmers who screw up their POS defences and have buckets of tears waiting to be spilled. Even if I hate you, your kittens, your doe-eyed children, your white picket fences and everything you stand for, evicting you like SSC did to AHARM is pointless self-harm. Blowing up all but one of your POSs isn't, though.
I may eventually pick a fight by grinding upon your structures. A bit of POCO frottage or stront testing a foolishly undefended POS puts a timer in front of everyone, and lets us has teh fisticuffs. Bring a fight, and win or lose, you'll be part of the Prolapse. "catch and release" sport fishing programme.
We don't need Red vs Blue. That's just infantile circlejerk. it works for low-quality push button get candy gameplay in highsec. If RVB needed to reinforce each other's stations and could be evicted from highsec, it wouldn't be RVB, and the corollary is true. There is no point arranging fights. Move out to highsec if that's what you want.
True, we do need more content creators. As a content creator, I find that it is frustrating seeing the big grow bigger, and the small guys staying small. But success, PR, propaganda, boastful bombastic silhouette recruiters proclaiming their corp or alliance is elite when it is not (on all factual bases), all of this is frustrating.
it's frustrating because not only are the puffed-up cockerells of w-space misrepresenting their true ability to provide content, their new members are just fooling themselves in the process of contributing to the rarification of content - as has been pointed out. Again, it's up to the recruits to take a chance on some of the smaller entities, help them grow bigger and more active, and eventually there will be more smaller entities rolling about, having small gang fights without having to frot POCOs for attention.
J's before K's.
Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew.
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Gunner GzR
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
82
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Posted - 2014.10.22 01:18:49 -
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This Thread is way off topic now. The Responses of some in here just show how they must stroke there e ***** and Troll each other..
We have Null corps and pilots stating What they think about w space. I Laugh at those post's as they are uninformed and to be stating things about Blues being bad from a null Corp is just funny.
I have a toon in a null alliance and its all about blues.
In w space we have blues that we fly with in the am and will have fights with in the pm..Its w space and most of us are here to fight. We do what we have to do to find content because ccp has done nothing yet to help with that..
oh and this statement
Quote: Also my main point in this thread was that Gunner GzR is dumb and shouldn't be in charge of teaching anybody anything,
Please continue thinking that
I stand with lazerhawks and others who want to help pilots and corps get into w space. That is our goal to do what ccp has not. Create content and make w space a better place for newer corps..
So please stop hijacking the thread to stroke your ego. Do it in your own thread
Change For the Sake of Change is bad
Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money.
Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
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Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
513
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Posted - 2014.10.22 01:24:56 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:
I will follow the Unknown Code. If I've got some caps to gank (as low-quality as you may consider that PVP to be, whatever, if someone's screwed up I'm killing his caps) and I lack PVP pilots, then I'll ring your doorbell. If you backstab, you don't get invited again. If I encounter you the next day, and I believe I've got a chance, I'll have a swing at you.
Thats how we have been operating for forever...
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Ilaister
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
114
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Posted - 2014.10.22 08:44:39 -
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Bronya Boga wrote:Thats how we have been operating for forever...
I thought that's how everyone in w-space operates.
... Rite guyz?
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
527
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Posted - 2014.10.22 09:31:00 -
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Not everyone, but most of us do... or at least I'd like to think so.
Hence I kind of fail to see how this wspace RvB thing is new, or (if they are meant to fight mostly each other) how is it viable given the randomness.
W-Space Realtor
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
179
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Posted - 2014.10.22 09:46:56 -
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The perceived need for arranged fights is a symptom of game design issue, and not a solution.
Please lets work towards encouraging CCP to introduce more conflict drivers for smaller operations. This is not only an issue in wormhole space, but in EVE general.
I've been both in RvB and FW, and out of those FW is a clear winner. Fighting to reach an objective is always better than fighting just for the sake of it.
New Eden needs things that can be blown up but don't have ridiculous amounts of HP, insanely long timers and notifications and which offer tangible benefits when successfully operated- and "operated" here means more than just anchoring and onlining. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1941
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Posted - 2014.10.22 10:01:12 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Not everyone, but most of us do... or at least I'd like to think so.
Hence I kind of fail to see how this wspace RvB thing is new, or (if they are meant to fight mostly each other) how is it viable given the randomness.
There's nothing new under the sun... However, if you're claiming it's already being done, i would be interested to know what corps/alliances are involved.
The arranged fights, uniting to kill a cap in k-space and the dogpile eviction mentality we currently have in wormhole space, would not be the same as bringing the RvB model to wormhole space.
+1
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
527
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Posted - 2014.10.22 10:51:16 -
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Rek Seven wrote:The two groups in red Vs. blue are at constant war with each other but they come together to fight external threats. Uhmm apart from the lacking wardec, how is that different from the WH FAP? We shoot each other when we meet, but fleet up when theres some bigger fish to fry.
I might be just misunderstanding what you are writing here and if thats the case, I'm afraid you will have to be more specific on how you foresee this wh RvB thing to actually work, because so far it's been quite vague.
W-Space Realtor
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