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Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 725	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:46:01 - [91] - Quote If CCP really was into improving wormholes, they'd turn up the anoms in c1/2 space and to an extent in c3/4 space. Something like c1/c2 anoms respawning like nullsec anoms with upgrade and c3/4 considerably quicker. Even then the ISK/hr would be laughable still compared to L4s for c1/c2 and acceptable compared to c3/4 given the included risk, necessity of teaming up and logistics around it. Or they could remove MNRs from c5/c6 and slightly increase blue loot instead to help c1/2 people by increasing the value of their salvage. They did one step into that direction already by adding datas/relics, points where you can grab a scanner and summon an engagement. c1/2 anom spawn rate is an activity killer for small corps to start with, so please - respawn in the same system instead of constellation or w/e, bound to delayed K-hole appearance. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Rek Seven Probe Patrol 1941	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:55:43 - [92] - Quote Axloth Okiah wrote: Rek Seven wrote: The two groups in red Vs. blue are at constant war with each other but they come together to fight external threats. Uhmm apart from the lacking wardec, how is that different from the WH FAP? We shoot each other when we meet, but fleet up when theres some bigger fish to fry. I might be just misunderstanding what you are writing here and if thats the case, I'm afraid you will have to be more specific on how you foresee this wh RvB thing to actually work, because so far it's been quite vague. I'm being vague because it's theory and i shouldn't need to spell the ins and outs of how a theoretical model works. Before RvB maybe someone once said: "we can already fight each other,so what is to be gained from being at permanent war and having an enemy that is ultimately interested in perpetuating your success rather than focusing on your destruction?". That person clearly doesn't get it which seems to be the case here. If you can't see the difference of the current loose confederation of wormhole buddies and a structured organisation focused on creating constant conflict and a noob friendly environment, I can't help you. Ultimately, i don't really care. I would rather CCP keep adding stuff to make wormhole more appealing but in the absence of that, i like to make suggestions now and again. +1
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 528	Posted - 2014.10.22 21:30:56 - [93] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: I don't want to repeat myself, so just read my last post on page three if you are unsure what i think this would achieve. I am already quite clear on WHAT you would like to achieve (which I think is commendable), I just dont see HOW you would like to achieve it. Hisec and Wspace are as different environments as they get, so Im not sure how do you imagine this concept be translated from one to the other. Im not saying you are wrong or that it is impossible, Im just asking you to elaborate on it a give us specific ideas how this would work in practice beyond repeating "RvB in wspace". W-Space Realtor
Rek Seven Probe Patrol 1944	Posted - 2014.10.22 22:05:41 - [94] - Quote How: Decide on a set of rules that help you achieve your goal and then work within those rules. +1
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 528	Posted - 2014.10.22 22:11:50 - [95] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: How: Decide on a set of rules that help you achieve your goal and then work within those rules. If thats what you call "specific ideas how this would work in practice", then I think we dont need to hear any more... W-Space Realtor
Rek Seven Probe Patrol 1944	Posted - 2014.10.22 22:40:24 - [96] - Quote Fair enough. I don't know what you are expecting since said you understand the goal and you understand what RvB does... +1
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 371	Posted - 2014.10.22 23:45:11 - [97] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: Angsty Teenager wrote: Exactly, the problem is that people in w-space are unwilling to become content creators, and their aren't enough currently. I agree with this. Didn't want to ruin it by reading the rest. Start by petitioning a reduction in the victim complex that pve generates by necessity. Force fleets of more complexity than 2x carrier 2x dreads and complimentary lokis. The RR fix to sleepers may have done some work on that front but more needs to occur for example that higher class sites spawn many frigates. Like dozens of them. Simple changes. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
Proclus Diadochu Isogen 5 1860	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:18:32 - [98] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: How: Decide on a set of rules that help you achieve your goal and then work within those rules. Maybe the objectives would dynamically change over time but as long as you base it around a good concept, you can't go far wrong. To be fair, Rek, as much as I like RvB, the last thing I'd like to see in wormholes is more structure, boundaries, and rules. Recently, with my little bit of playing in null and my understanding and experience with some of those areas of gameplay, I'd hate to bring any of that to wormholes. If a new group or players want to come into wormholes, I'm all for it, will promote it and even help them if they sincerely need it, but I'm very much against the idea of creating a series of finite or arbitrary rules to direct the players within the wormhole environment. Everyone should feel free to play as they would intend, which means that if James is mad at ADHOC and wants to plow their home, that's his prerogative, they'll likely rebuild and return. If BU wants to use API data to destroy escalation fleets, well no more, but when they could, whatever... If Hidden, Ayeson, Exo, Xtrah, or any other shot callers want to tag team, solo, or burn things down, that's their thing. Everyone should be free to do as they please, without ANY LIMITATIONS. This is just my opinion, but I would prefer less organization outside the corp or alliance level. Does that mean I'm against friendships and cooperatives? Nope. Anyone who I had the privilege to hang out with this past weekend learned/knew, I really do enjoy having fun with friends and making new friends. That doesn't mean we should cultivate wormholes into a structured and governed zone. It should be fun and limitless. I feel this way about most of the game, but I understand the mechanics support cultivation in some cases, but wormholes isn't/shouldn't be that place. Irrelevant \| Twitter: @autoritare E-mail: [email protected] My Blog: http://diogenes-club.blogspot.com/ The Diogenes Club \| Join W-Space \| Down The Pipe
Gunner GzR Anomalous Existence Low-Class 83	Posted - 2014.10.23 03:47:54 - [99] - Quote Wormholes need to continue being the wild lands of eve.. Unbound No rules and free to explore,Fight and Die in Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
Angsty Teenager Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 619	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:24:32 - [100] - Quote Gunner GzR wrote: Wormholes need to continue being the wild lands of eve.. Unbound No rules and free to explore,Fight and Die in Man I just can't take things like this seriously. This is such a ******* pubbie thing to say, god you're a dweeb.
Karl Hepta Customs and Excise 24	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:29:20 - [101] - Quote Gunner GzR wrote: Wormholes need to continue being the wild lands of eve.. Unbound No rules and free to explore,Fight and Die in Tryhard
King Fu Hostile Imperial Collective Unsettled. 180	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:32:56 - [102] - Quote He is right tho
Brutus Crendraven Stryker Industries 65	Posted - 2014.10.23 06:10:08 - [103] - Quote Anything that incourages new pilots to join wormhole space should be supported in my view. More active pilots who are farming wormholes means more prey! Or new pilots who want to PVP with out local is great. I setup a corp 2 years ago and transitioned to wormholes not long after and its been a challenge. Growing and trusting pilots is probably one of the more difficult aspects of wormhole life due to the old code used in POS mechanics. But there are some simple methods to help protect individual assets. Income for pilots is also important: Just some thoughts on what I see happening in wormholes. C1s - Drug labs / Indy farmed by C2 dwellers. Small groups can with a bit of planning and effort be making 60-100m an hour. C2s - Indy with good static access to K Space - Probably the worst isk sites in wormhole space. C3s - Indy with good connections for PVP - 90-125m per hour if you find a good one. C4s - Empty space, I just find these a pain due to the spawn range of sleepers compared to a C3. C5/C6 - The big isk occupied by two types of corps the truely active PVP drop on you hard (experienced this so many times :) or the guys who close every connection instantly and farm in relative safety. I have no real experience of life in the big leagues, I have seen how much more secure this enviroment can be. The T3 meta requires a relativly good income and skill level, I couldn't fly these at the beginning. Populating lower class wormholes with small corps is great but with the the advent of greater wormhole spawns they face ever more difficult challenges. Support in helping transitioning new corps to wormhole life should be commended. If the support is to help them setup a POS correctly, on occasion I see the harderners on the outside. Or how to setup scouts and understand the mass mechanics. Dscanning a wormhole out before dropping probes. I'm more than happy to support new corps.
Rek Seven Probe Patrol 1944	Posted - 2014.10.23 07:09:38 - [104] - Quote Proclus Diadochu wrote: To be fair, Rek, as much as I like RvB, the last thing I'd like to see in wormholes is more structure, boundaries, and rules... ...That doesn't mean we should cultivate wormholes into a structured and governed zone. It should be fun and limitless. I feel this way about most of the game, but I understand the mechanics support cultivation in some cases, but wormholes isn't/shouldn't be that place. But rules are fun Proc I understand what you're saying but don't think for a second that I would want to split the entirety of wormhole space into a one red team and a one blue team. I was just saying that if a group of players wanted to dramatically increase the population in wormhole space, it would be a far better to introduce a structured systems (a game within a game), instead of creating chat channels, forum posts and thinking happy thoughts. At the end of the day, I'm happy sticking to what i have been saying for years; CCP adding new content is the only/best way to increase the population in wormhole space +1
Angus MacDoom Anomalous Existence Low-Class 21	Posted - 2014.10.23 10:07:18 - [105] - Quote Some good ideas floating,, except null-bear input (because uninformed), the bottom line is that new people need to be introduced and informed into w-space, working towards a goal of having, eventually, competent new PVP groups to fight against, whatever the wormhole class, (hence this thread offering advice and assistance). Good to see others stepping up and offering the same. All good and well sticking by "The Code" as some put it, but what you gonna do when you are the only ones left in w-space? ********** over your victory? Get RvB out of your head, it already exists in some other place outside of w-space. -1.0 is lawless, lets keep it that way.
Andrew Jester Origin. Black Legion. 723	Posted - 2014.10.23 15:05:34 - [106] - Quote Angus MacDoom wrote: Some good ideas floating,, except null-bear input (because uninformed) YES IF YOU LIVED IN WSPACE ONCE AND STILL FLY ALTS IN WSPACE BUT YOUR POSTING CHARS ALLY ISNT IN WSPACE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT you're dumb If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 529	Posted - 2014.10.23 16:03:29 - [107] - Quote Imho any RvB thing across wspace will fail to work because the parties will simply not meet often enough to make it meaningful. A silly idea I had during lunch today (and I probably overlooked some massive drawback) is to have them in a single hole. Sort of a WH noobie pvp incubator (some C2 with HS) with two alliances living there and shooting each other. POSes would be off limits but POCOs (with 0% tax for owners and some reasonable 10-ish tax for the other alliance) could be nice target to wrestle about. And of course if they find something juicy in connecting holes, they gang up together. W-Space Realtor
Rek Seven Probe Patrol 1945	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:04:16 - [108] - Quote Axloth Okiah wrote: Imho any RvB thing across wspace will fail to work because the parties will simply not meet often enough to make it meaningful. But it's not like they couldn't attack regular people... The RvB thing just provides FC with regular and guaranteed fights during the quieter times and i'd guess people would put scouts in the enemy teams wormhole just like people do in regular corps. +1
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 524	Posted - 2014.10.23 18:35:05 - [109] - Quote I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne Snip, Please refrain from profanities - ISD Atomic Dove
Ghenghis Kralj Big Johnson's Wormhole Clown Car 31	Posted - 2014.10.23 18:37:14 - [110] - Quote you guys need Jesus in your life
Hatshepsut IV Cascading Failure Un.Bound 301	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:13:27 - [111] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole. Qft. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad \| Cascading Failure Public Channel \| Aspiring Failure
Andrew Jester Origin. Black Legion. 725	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:35:09 - [112] - Quote Hidden Fremen wrote: I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole. read "I would bring enough people to crush whatever resistance they put up" If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
MooMooDachshundCow Incertae Sedis 97	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:37:05 - [113] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Hidden Fremen wrote: I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole. read "I would bring enough people to crush whatever resistance they put up" Isn't that how we measure success? As in, if you didn't bring enough and were routed you'd be publicly ridiculed? Is this eve? Yeah, well, it's just like my-á*opinion*, man.
Andrew Jester Origin. Black Legion. 725	Posted - 2014.10.23 20:39:29 - [114] - Quote MooMooDachshundCow wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Hidden Fremen wrote: I'd definitely come try to get a fight in this wormhole. read "I would bring enough people to crush whatever resistance they put up" Isn't that how we measure success? As in, if you didn't bring enough and were routed you'd be publicly ridiculed? Is this eve? When you want to encourage new people to join, aiming for equal numbers is more likely to foster a better attitude towards WH PvP than crushing 6 people with 30. It's a dumb approach though because that's playing with kiddie gloves and isn't fun for those who can't come. Dual-edged though because they're likely to POS up/log off whenever they see you even if you're off TZ. So you're ****** either way. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 524	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:22:41 - [115] - Quote We're actually pretty good about fighting smaller people. It's the big people we really gear up for. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne Snip, Please refrain from profanities - ISD Atomic Dove
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 1733	Posted - 2014.10.24 00:06:58 - [116] - Quote My efforts to get or encourage people into w-space: BUGRY hires noobs. This is a fact. BUGRY trains noobs. We supply and accept doctrines / fleet concepts / kitchen sinks, which utilise noobs and the ships noobs can fly. Because I fly these ships. In channel Join W-space, or Beggars Bowl, if you are seeking an empty wormhole and I find one, i will get you into it, free of charge. Yes. Free. There's no point paying even one ISK for a wormhole because right now so many are empty. I'll help address this. Why pay 200M when that's enough for a fully set-up medium POS? We will gank proportionately. We will tackle with ships you could conceivably kill, with sleepers on field, with skill and understanding, and will consider a no bubbles policy in future if newbros are finding being podded out a real PITA and this is preventing population growth We will farm our statics without even checking for wormholes because #YOLO. Additionally, anyone in the AU TZ is invited along on the weekly lowsec public and scrub roam leaving Stacmon 0900 GMT. Or, you can oppose us, hot drop, gank, pipe bomb, whatever. Because content. J's before K's. Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Gunner GzR Anomalous Existence Low-Class 83	Posted - 2014.10.24 02:24:43 - [117] - Quote Angsty Teenager wrote: Gunner GzR wrote: Wormholes need to continue being the wild lands of eve.. Unbound No rules and free to explore,Fight and Die in Man I just can't take things like this seriously. This is such a ******* pubbie thing to say, god you're a dweeb. It has become very clear that you have a personal Grudge with me via your comments and there for are not making clear opinions. Get your head out of your butt and see w space for what it is A fun Place to live and play. Your continued Slander of w space only makes you look uninformed and you Personal insults of myself only makes me laugh.So Please continue as i am comfortable with who i am where i fly and i have made lots of Friends and Enemies in w space and i am ok with that I do not need to Make personal attacks on players i dislike in the Forums to make myself feel good.. I have good ideas and bad for w space and i like the input of tossing these around with other w space pilots so then they morph into great ideas that can be put forth to ccp.. So continue to show yourself as a uninformed Troll or take a Different path and make some informed comments.. Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
Angsty Teenager Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 620	Posted - 2014.10.24 05:44:42 - [118] - Quote Gunner GzR wrote: It has become very clear that you have a personal Grudge with me via your comments and there for are not making clear opinions. Get your head out of your butt and see w space for what it is A fun Place to live and play. Your continued Slander of w space only makes you look uninformed and you Personal insults of myself only makes me laugh.So Please continue as i am comfortable with who i am where i fly and i have made lots of Friends and Enemies in w space and i am ok with that I do not need to Make personal attacks on players i dislike in the Forums to make myself feel good.. I have good ideas and bad for w space and i like the input of tossing these around with other w space pilots so then they morph into great ideas that can be put forth to ccp.. So continue to show yourself as a uninformed Troll or take a Different path and make some informed comments.. No seriously do you not realize that you have zero grasp of the english language and how to write it? Capitalization doesn't have mid sentence of specific words like "God" as an example. Somehow despite the fact that you understand that sentences should start with capital letters, you don't understand that the letter "i" needs to be capitalized when referring to yourself, nor do you understand that words like "Make, Personal, Grudge, Different" don't need to given special capitalization mid sentence. Like, I can't take you seriously when you come off as a deranged 2 year old just slapping away at the keyboard while his 10 year old brother looks over his should pressing the shift key sometimes. While I'm at it (inb4 grammar **), you also don't have any idea how to setup paragraphs, or how much spacing is needed between sentences, or how many periods are required at the end of a sentence either for that matter. You ended two sentences with ".." Is that supposed to be an ellipses? Or you do believe that you should be ending sentences that are trying to make a point with with a double period? Some of your sentences don't even have ANY punctuation at all. EVEN IF you don't care what I think, and that's fair enough, the fact is that anybody reading your words, regardless of whether they agree with you or not is going to notice your carelessness. It's something you need to work on, and honestly I guess it's not super surprising, you always have been careless and dumb. You were a terrible director when I was in corp with you; you didn't understand basic math, even when it was explained in detail to you, you were a terrible FC (example, losing a fleet, including your own moros to 4 chimeras running a sleeper site), and your incompetence as a director directly led to my ability to steal the circa 40 bil when I left simply because you were too dumb to reset the poses back to pass-worded after setting them to corp access when fueling them. And then you got kicked shortly afterwards--no big surprise. I point this out because I think trusting new players in w-space to your care is a terrible decision and that's why I think (among other reasons) that this initative is sort of a joke. Frankly I think that there isn't anybody dumber than you in w-space. Even dumb care bears are better because they know they're dumb--you think you're some kind of top dog who knows what he's doing when you really don't. Btw, w-space is ** right now. FACT. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Faren Shalni Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 74	Posted - 2014.10.24 07:52:24 - [119] - Quote Angsty Teenager wrote: Words Gunner GzR 0:1 Angsty Teenager So Much Space
RudinV Hard Knocks Inc. Irresponsible Use of Capital. 420	Posted - 2014.10.24 09:44:01 - [120] - Quote Faren Shalni wrote: Angsty Teenager wrote: Words Gunner GzR 0:1 Angsty Teenager now u made me read all this walls of text...and its friday, and i need to wash my flat also!

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