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Kelly O'Connor
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:16:00 -
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is that a new trend that ppl u fight petition everything and its mother ?
lets see :
- offensive ship name "hidden ****" O_O
- offensive language in local "die retard" O_O
and so on ...
is this really worth petittioning?
please give other examples u was petitioned for...
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:18:00 -
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I find this thread offensive, so I petitioned it.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:19:00 -
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People who petition to attack someone, rather than because they have been honeslty offended, should be punished.
Of course, how do the GM's know if offence has been caused?
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:19:00 -
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i made a sarcastic your mom joke and got petitioned 
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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Avon
Of course, how do the GM's know if offence has been caused?
Because the GMs have some common sense?
Some immature folks think that swearing, cursing and spewing profanities everywhere will make them look like men.
They're just pathetic.
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Kelly O'Connor
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
People who petition to attack someone, rather than because they have been honeslty offended, should be punished.
Of course, how do the GM's know if offence has been caused?
maybe by number of pettitions comming from lets say 1 system or 1 person in short period of time
but i find it still very lame :/
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.17 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kelly O'Connor
Originally by: Avon
People who petition to attack someone, rather than because they have been honeslty offended, should be punished.
Of course, how do the GM's know if offence has been caused?
maybe by number of pettitions comming from lets say 1 system or 1 person in short period of time
Who petitions, and how often, is irrelevant. If you have have stuff in your bio/ship name/local chat that shouldn't be there, you deserve the punishment.
This upsets you? Well don't type it then.
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Down Range
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Posted - 2006.08.17 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kelly O'Connor
Originally by: Avon
People who petition to attack someone, rather than because they have been honeslty offended, should be punished.
Of course, how do the GM's know if offence has been caused?
maybe by number of pettitions comming from lets say 1 system or 1 person in short period of time
Who petitions, and how often, is irrelevant. If you have have stuff in your bio/ship name/local chat that shouldn't be there, you deserve the punishment.
This upsets you? Well don't type it then.
**** you asshat. Eat **** and die.
This upsets you? Don't read it.
Think that works?
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.17 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Down Range
This upsets you? Don't read it.
Think that works?
No, because you aren't transgressing against me. You're transgressing against CCP, whose rules these are. All I'm ever doing is letting CCP know that you broke their rules; it is NOT my fault that you get dealt with.
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Pika Eadesso
Numida Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.17 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Down Range
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kelly O'Connor
Originally by: Avon
People who petition to attack someone, rather than because they have been honeslty offended, should be punished.
Of course, how do the GM's know if offence has been caused?
maybe by number of pettitions comming from lets say 1 system or 1 person in short period of time
Who petitions, and how often, is irrelevant. If you have have stuff in your bio/ship name/local chat that shouldn't be there, you deserve the punishment.
This upsets you? Well don't type it then.
**** you asshat. Eat **** and die.
This upsets you? Don't read it.
Think that works?
OMG PETITIONED!
Only joking 
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Down Range
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Posted - 2006.08.17 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Down Range
This upsets you? Don't read it.
Think that works?
No, because you aren't transgressing against me. You're transgressing against CCP, whose rules these are. All I'm ever doing is letting CCP know that you broke their rules; it is NOT my fault that you get dealt with.
Thats my point. If you complain about stuff that you don't even really find offensive, all you are doing it clutering up the petition system and wasting everyones time.
I don't have a problem with people petitioning things they find deeply offensive. I have a problem with you do gooders going around petitioning anything that may or may not be considered offensive maybe to someone somewhere. Is this all the better you can spend your time? I've got some back taxes you could work on if you need something to do.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Down Range
Thats my point. If you complain about stuff that you don't even really find offensive, all you are doing it clutering up the petition system and wasting everyones time.
Um, no. It's not me wasting GM time by making them deal with people putting stuff in bios and ship descriptions that shouldn't be there. That makes as much sense as blaming me for the police work involved in catching a murderer, because I reported the crime.
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Down Range
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Down Range
Thats my point. If you complain about stuff that you don't even really find offensive, all you are doing it clutering up the petition system and wasting everyones time.
Um, no. It's not me wasting GM time by making them deal with people putting stuff in bios and ship descriptions that shouldn't be there. That makes as much sense as blaming me for the police work involved in catching a murderer, because I reported the crime.
Wow, you don't really think the two things are even remotely the same do you?
No, it's more like you reporting, repeatedly, verbal abuse to the cops and then telling them that you aren't really offended you just know it's against the rules so you thought they would like to know about it.
Also, ever consider how rediculas your stance is? In the eve world, where it's not only fine, but expected that someone, or a group of someones will kill you repeatedly, and then hang your frozen corpse on the wall of the corp hanger. But you can't call someone stupid. Or put I hate ***s in your bio.
The problem with limiting expression to things that aren't offensive is that offensive is relative.
So please, only petition things you find deeply offensive, and only when a simple "block" won't fix the issue.
There is no reason for you to petition anyone because of what their bio says, unless it says Baldour Ngarr ****s dead sheep in the eye.
Do you see my point? (somehow I doubt it)
**disclaimer, I have nothing against ***s, just an example.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
People who petition to attack someone, rather than because they have been honeslty offended, should be punished.
Of course, how do the GM's know if offence has been caused?
Because all chat is logged?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:21:00 -
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Petitions just need a disclaimer:
"If you are petitioning something solely because of a personal vendetta against someone, and it's found that you are simply trying to use us as a tool against said player, YOU will be in the hotseat. Use common sense when posting a petition."
Or something more PC since I prefer being blunt, which the GMs probably can't afford to do.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:27:00 -
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I'm offended by my corps name, so I will petition myself 
Unnerf Amarr!
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Ozzie Asrail
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:28:00 -
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I get offended by people who get offended too easy. Can I petition everyone who petitions about non-offensive things that they find offensive and hence offending me in the process?
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:51:00 -
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way back in the early days, I was petitioned, and a GM convo'ed me, to warm me for my offensive remark to the chap that called me a F'ing "C" sucking F*gget. I quote my statement - "oh go suck a bug and grow up".
When I asked if they had seen what he said, the GM said yes, but my comment was just as offensive...still trying to figure out how to this day (is "go suck a bug" some how offensive in a distant part of the world??)
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2006.08.17 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Down Range
Thats my point. If you complain about stuff that you don't even really find offensive, all you are doing it clutering up the petition system and wasting everyones time.
Um, no. It's not me wasting GM time by making them deal with people putting stuff in bios and ship descriptions that shouldn't be there. That makes as much sense as blaming me for the police work involved in catching a murderer, because I reported the crime.
Exactly. Its incredible how people try and transfer guilt upon the person pointing out the rule breaking. When there is only one part responsible for the issue. Assuming it is a case of rule breaking of course. But that is what Baldour is saying.
If there wasn't anything to petition, no petition would be sent. In the very technical sense. :)
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Maritz
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Posted - 2006.08.17 18:59:00 -
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I'm not offended by much. Language ? The bluer it is the better, so long as it's entertaining with it.
Like the poster above, pedantic types who get offended by the tiniest swearwords offend me. And I tell them so.
Where I would draw the line is when people make remarks that engender hate towards a specific group, or racism. That I'd petition in a heartbeat, mainly because I'd want to see something done to the type of gimp who holds those views.
Thus far I've had no reason to petition in Eve on any of that kind of stuff.
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arkarsk
Provenance.
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:09:00 -
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Has the high and mighty bob been calling people retards in local?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:16:00 -
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There was a little chat about minmatars in local the other day and someone chimed in saying "wow, you guys are being overly racist". There was NOTHING said about race, we were just making the duct tape this, chicken wire that comments. I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that someone would be offended by us making fun of the minmatars... Are you fracking kidding me?
Anyways, I say if it doesn't bother you why petition it. If you think its going to bother someone else? Sure, petition it. But seriously, if I see something vulgur or nasty in someone's bio and I think its damn hilarious, I'm not going to petition it because I know that 95% of the people that read it are going to get a kick out of it. The B-thumpers might not, but hey, no one said they couldn't petition it their damn selves now did they.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 17/08/2006 19:27:29
Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 17/08/2006 19:25:18
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Um, no. It's not me wasting GM time by making them deal with people putting stuff in bios and ship descriptions that shouldn't be there. That makes as much sense as blaming me for the police work involved in catching a murderer, because I reported the crime.
The problem with do-gooders is that they are usually unqualified to determine what is acceptable and what is not. We are not talking about something objective like death / murder. Damn bloody crusaders. Wait, that were 3 extremely offensive words. I dont actually know wether "bloody" is still considered offensive to the extreme? If i am informed correctly, you once were fined for saying that out loud. See where i am getting at? Yep, the 4S fiasco.
Whats your evil racists to everyday-words-that-someone-may-find-offensive-even-though-i-dont ratio?
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Justin Thyme
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Justin Thyme on 17/08/2006 19:36:29
Edited by: Justin Thyme on 17/08/2006 19:35:40
Edited by: Justin Thyme on 17/08/2006 19:33:42
Originally by: Maritz
Thus far I've had no reason to petition in Eve on any of that kind of stuff.
I have only petitioned one person as far as i can remember. And that was mainly because in local. They said. How do i put this. Not a direct quote cause that will get me and this thread banned. But basicaly player said in Local that He "would come to my RL home and "ABUSE" my children, and kill my pets."
If that is still to much please mods feel free to edit or delet at your leasure.
This is definalty someone I would rather not have around.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kylania on 17/08/2006 19:40:48
Originally by: Down Range
There is no reason for you to petition anyone because of what their bio says
<vader>I find your lack of common sense...disturbing.</vader>
The reason to petition is that you broke the rules as set out by CCP. There's no reason for you to say something in your bio that's against the rules. If you do, you accept the punishment when someone sees it and reports you for your actions in violation of the rules. You need to take responsibilty for your action of breaking the rules because it's not anyone elses fault but yours.
See my point?
you = non-specific anyone that breaks the rules and feels it's ok.
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Down Range
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Edited by: Kylania on 17/08/2006 19:40:48
Originally by: Down Range
There is no reason for you to petition anyone because of what their bio says
<vader>I find your lack of common sense...disturbing.</vader>
The reason to petition is that you broke the rules as set out by CCP. There's no reason for you to say something in your bio that's against the rules. If you do, you accept the punishment when someone sees it and reports you for your actions in violation of the rules. You need to take responsibilty for your action of breaking the rules because it's not anyone elses fault but yours.
See my point?
you = non-specific anyone that breaks the rules and feels it's ok.
You think it's a good idea to petition things that are against the rules. So if I put something rude in my bio, you petition it. Why? Did it offend you? Or did you simply petition it because you are a petty twit that doesn't have the backbone to push the rules a bit and therefore think other people should be punished for the gall to question censorship, or the humor to put a triffle in their bios?
How silly of you.
You = any do gooder without the common sense to let sleeping dogs lie.
And I'd asked for clarification, what consititutes a break in the rules when it comes to bio's/ Chat?
Offensive content? Whats offensive, to who and under what context?
Curse words? Then why aren't they filtered?
Racial slurs? Ok, fair enough. No need for that crap.
Threats of bodily harm? Kidding right? Because I'll kill your cloned ass. 
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2006.08.17 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Cleann on 17/08/2006 20:23:54
I tend NOT to petition "hate chat" as it clogs up the petition process. That is why they got this wonderful button called "BLOCK" it basicly works like this: Someone says something that has managed to crawl under ur skinn and irratate the living hell out of you (scenario :P), you humbly decide to gag that ***** by rite clicking on his toon and selecting "block"......hot damn problem is now solved. and without wasting the time of a GM that could be needed else where then to break up fights between school children. Like getting me my damn freighter back from cyperspace......
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.08.17 20:29:00 -
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I find the name "Band of Brothers" sexist... and racist!
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Tetsujin
Caldari
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2006.08.17 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Down Range
You = any do gooder without the common sense to let sleeping dogs lie.
And I'd asked for clarification, what consititutes a break in the rules when it comes to bio's/ Chat?
Offensive content? Whats offensive, to who and under what context?
Curse words? Then why aren't they filtered?
Racial slurs? Ok, fair enough. No need for that crap.
Threats of bodily harm? Kidding right? Because I'll kill your cloned ass.
I'm a bit confused, are you arguing for whoever put something offensive wherever it was put...?
The first general rule of conduct indicates:
You may not harass other players. This includes, but is not limited to, hateful, racist, sexually explicit, threatening and harmful comments. Partial masking and alternative typing for such comments will be punishable by the same standards as the comments themselves.
The ninth general rule of conduct indicates:
You will not encourage any one else to violate these rules.
By arguing that someone is wrong for filing a petition in accordance with rule one, are you not guilty of rule nine?
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 00:07:00 -
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I think people on both end need to grow up. Smacking is in local/using offensive ship names is childish as is making a big deal over a word or phrase you yourself has used a thousand times.
Only petitioning that really bugs me is when someone loses a ship and claims it was a bug.
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