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Jon Hawkes ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:08:00 - [1] Quick question: will it run?
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:09:00 - [2] no
Obwi Stefano	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:11:00 - [3] It can be played under Cedega and the newest version of Wine, but not properly.
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Obwi Stefano It can be played under Cedega and the newest version of Wine, but not properly. Welcome back brother ! What say you if we team up and force CCP to unnerf amarr?
Obwi Stefano	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:15:00 - [5] Edited by: Obwi Stefano on 17/08/2006 20:20:20 Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Obwi Stefano It can be played under Cedega and the newest version of Wine, but not properly. Welcome back brother ! What say you if we team up and force CCP to unnerf amarr? Yea, let's meet outside CCP's HQ with "Unnerf Amarr" signs, i'll pay for your plane ticket.
Xendie Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Jon Hawkes Quick question: will it run? it works with cedega. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
SonShadowCat PINK TACO TORPERS	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:47:00 - [7] It will run under Cedega but expect to get 1/2 the fps you do under Windows.
Utoxin Caldari Kydance Radiant Industries	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:55:00 - [8] And when Dragon comes out next week, expect it to stop working.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:11:00 - [9] Jon, if you go to the TECH section of these forums, you'll see this seriously long thread at the top of the page, (or near it). The last 4-5 pages are a good place to start if you want to know if it'll run. Short answer, it runs and runs VERY VERY well for most of us cedega users. On 8/22 (unless we get a last minute reprieve) this is going to change, as CCP is going to move to the DRAGON unicode branch and break compatibility with older versions of windows operatings systems....and oh yeah, us linux distro users as well. Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or CHANGE the operating system. (This isn't a statement of flamage one way or another, it is a fact.) The "we have to keep up with microsoft" bit in the blog made me laugh. Of course I'm biased. Transgaming (cedega) is aware of the breakage and are investigating, but no ETA on a fix for the issue. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:25:00 - [10] Well... I am not sure what is exactly breaking in the linux ability to play EVE. It shouldn't be the unicode but it sounds like it will be the security features of 2000 SP4 and XP Pro. However, there could be some sort of patch involved to hook samba to wineX/Cedega/wine to resolve the issues? Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Skakkee	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:37:00 - [11] My only problem with EVE and Cedega is that when a player portrait is generated .. the game crashes.

Oveur	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Sevarus James Edited by: Sevarus James on 17/08/2006 23:40:17 Jon, if you go to the TECH section of these forums, you'll see this seriously long thread at the top of the page, (or near it). The last 4-5 pages are a good place to start if you want to know if it'll run. Short answer, it runs and runs VERY VERY well for most of us cedega users. On 8/22 (unless we get a last minute reprieve) this is going to change, as CCP is going to move to the DRAGON unicode branch and break compatibility with older versions of windows operatings systems....and oh yeah, us linux distro users as well. Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or CHANGE the operating system. (This isn't a statement of flamage one way or another, it is a fact.) The "we have to keep up with microsoft" bit in the blog made me laugh. Of course I'm biased. Transgaming (cedega) is aware of the breakage and are investigating, but no ETA on a fix for the issue. I've submitted a new support request in the Transgaming support section and pasted Oveur's blog text there as well...now its sit back, and enjoy EVE for another week....and hope that someone hears our requests for help. Let's be crystal clear about something. Microsoft does not support their own platform anymore, so neither can we. There are no security patches, no updates. After recent client exploits, we're bumping up security and encryption to protect you far more than to protect us. Additionally, there are less than 0.7% of our players still using this, but that's still quite a large sum of income we are loosing if people decide to quit instead of upgrade. This isn't really a decision for us, it's something that simply needs to be done. Senior Producer EVE Online

Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Sevarus James Edited by: Sevarus James on 17/08/2006 23:40:17 Jon, if you go to the TECH section of these forums, you'll see this seriously long thread at the top of the page, (or near it). The last 4-5 pages are a good place to start if you want to know if it'll run. Short answer, it runs and runs VERY VERY well for most of us cedega users. On 8/22 (unless we get a last minute reprieve) this is going to change, as CCP is going to move to the DRAGON unicode branch and break compatibility with older versions of windows operatings systems....and oh yeah, us linux distro users as well. Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or CHANGE the operating system. (This isn't a statement of flamage one way or another, it is a fact.) The "we have to keep up with microsoft" bit in the blog made me laugh. Of course I'm biased. Transgaming (cedega) is aware of the breakage and are investigating, but no ETA on a fix for the issue. I've submitted a new support request in the Transgaming support section and pasted Oveur's blog text there as well...now its sit back, and enjoy EVE for another week....and hope that someone hears our requests for help. Let's be crystal clear about something. Microsoft does not support their own platform anymore, so neither can we. There are no security patches, no updates. After recent client exploits, we're bumping up security and encryption to protect you far more than to protect us. Additionally, there are less than 0.7% of our players still using this, but that's still quite a large sum of income we are loosing if people decide to quit instead of upgrade. This isn't really a decision for us, it's something that simply needs to be done. I wanted to be clear as well, which is WHY I indicated "no flamage intended". Forcing someone to do something isn't always a BAD thing, but the statement wasn't meant to be a 'bad/good' rather it was stating what "is". I completely AGREE on new security and features for the client and the server. As this is a linux/EVE thread, my point first was to let the OP know that a. yes EVE runs under linux and does so very well with a minimum of tweakage with Cedega, and B. (most importantly) that its going to 'break' on the 22nd of the month. (The forewarned is for-armed info, if you will.) Hopefully this situation will not cause cancellations from either camp, and that as EVE moves forward, at some point in the near future we can look forward to the best MMO ever built being able to brag: XP, win2k, Vista, Linux and MAC compatible. Talk about "MORE" users and a wider 'net'! Man wouldn't that be something? -well I can dream. ;) I'll admit to a little 'ribbing' with my "laugh"....but I also said I'm biased. You should know this by now Oveur...and if ya don't, you really oughta click my sig link......I do homage to ya there........heh heh. I do my bit by bringing new people into EVE by helping and assisting in the tech forum as well as out of game forums, show em' how to use cedega to play EVE. In this way I'm able to give back to the linux community AND my virtual community here. I don't code, so I do what I can. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 14:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Sevarus James Edited by: Sevarus James on 17/08/2006 23:40:17 Jon, if you go to the TECH section of these forums, you'll see this seriously long thread at the top of the page, (or near it). The last 4-5 pages are a good place to start if you want to know if it'll run. Short answer, it runs and runs VERY VERY well for most of us cedega users. On 8/22 (unless we get a last minute reprieve) this is going to change, as CCP is going to move to the DRAGON unicode branch and break compatibility with older versions of windows operatings systems....and oh yeah, us linux distro users as well. Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or CHANGE the operating system. (This isn't a statement of flamage one way or another, it is a fact.) The "we have to keep up with microsoft" bit in the blog made me laugh. Of course I'm biased. Transgaming (cedega) is aware of the breakage and are investigating, but no ETA on a fix for the issue. I've submitted a new support request in the Transgaming support section and pasted Oveur's blog text there as well...now its sit back, and enjoy EVE for another week....and hope that someone hears our requests for help. Let's be crystal clear about something. Microsoft does not support their own platform anymore, so neither can we. There are no security patches, no updates. After recent client exploits, we're bumping up security and encryption to protect you far more than to protect us. Additionally, there are less than 0.7% of our players still using this, but that's still quite a large sum of income we are loosing if people decide to quit instead of upgrade. This isn't really a decision for us, it's something that simply needs to be done. While you're here, any news on working with Transgaming to get Dragon working? Because if it doesn't get working soon, everyone using Cedega to play EVE will have to set a very long skill the day before the patch and hope they can get back on soon... --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Major Smiley	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:29:00 - [15] Define "older versions of Windows". Please tell me you aren't going to force me to "upgrade" to XP from Win2k. I hate XP.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Major Smiley Define "older versions of Windows". Please tell me you aren't going to force me to "upgrade" to XP from Win2k. I hate XP. Windows 98, Windows 98SE and Windows ME will not be supported any more. Source Email Us \| Forum Rules \| Website

Major Smiley	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:50:00 - [17] Thanks for the response Eldo!
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.18 16:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Eldo Davip Windows 98, Windows 98SE and Windows ME will not be supported any more. Source I wasn't aware that someone had a version of Windows ME that was stable enough to run a computer long enough to log into eve.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2006.08.19 00:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Eldo Davip Windows 98, Windows 98SE and Windows ME will not be supported any more. Source I wasn't aware that someone had a version of Windows ME that was stable enough to run a computer long enough to log into eve. QFT Man I had more luck with OS/2 Warp 3.0 on a modern day 2ghz pc ( fully tweaked and using readeon GPUs ) than I did with ME Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2006.08.19 00:39:00 - [20] Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 19/08/2006 00:39:02 Originally by: Oveur Additionally, there are less than 0.7% of our players still using this, but that's still quite a large sum of income we are loosing if people decide to quit instead of upgrade. This isn't really a decision for us, it's something that simply needs to be done. Well... I totally agree with you Oveur but... if you can trow transgaming a bone with a patch you will likely see your EVE customer base expand dragon to Linux AND Mac since the new Cedega code base is now running on the new intel Mac's. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.19 00:47:00 - [21] Edited by: Reiisha on 19/08/2006 00:47:34 Originally by: Sevarus James Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or [color=red]Upgrade[/color] the operating system. Fixed. Don't whine about something like this. You are almost saying that we should all stick to Multics because we shouldn't have to 'change' our OS once in a while. CCP is upgrading the client to take advantage of the OS' that 99.3% of it's subscribers have. Or are you saying that Windows 3.1 users should be able to run Doom 3? Even then, you are making a fuss about nothing. You upgrade your Linux once in a while, don't you? Also, why do you think that the Cedega/Wine programmers can't program in support for EVE eventually? It will probably come sooner than later. Last but not least: If you are such a Linux lover, why are you playing EVE? It's a DirectX based Windows platform game, the very devil you try to avoid - and now you start complaining that CCP doesn't support an application/OS they never supported in the first place? Come on. People with Windows 95/98/ME should upgrade ASAP, especially ME users. You can't get around that fact. Those OS' are lready unsupported by 99% of the developers out there, CCP has held out longer than most with support for those OS'. Be grateful they didn't switch earlier.
Kaylon Syi Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.19 02:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 19/08/2006 00:47:34 Originally by: Sevarus James Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or [color=red]Upgrade[/color] the operating system. Fixed. Don't whine about something like this. You are almost saying that we should all stick to Multics because we shouldn't have to 'change' our OS once in a while. CCP is upgrading the client to take advantage of the OS' that 99.3% of it's subscribers have. Or are you saying that Windows 3.1 users should be able to run Doom 3? Even then, you are making a fuss about nothing. You upgrade your Linux once in a while, don't you? Also, why do you think that the Cedega/Wine programmers can't program in support for EVE eventually? It will probably come sooner than later. Last but not least: If you are such a Linux lover, why are you playing EVE? It's a DirectX based Windows platform game, the very devil you try to avoid - and now you start complaining that CCP doesn't support an application/OS they never supported in the first place? Come on. People with Windows 95/98/ME should upgrade ASAP, especially ME users. You can't get around that fact. Those OS' are lready unsupported by 99% of the developers out there, CCP has held out longer than most with support for those OS'. Be grateful they didn't switch earlier. See most linux users are actually people with business sense. Windows uses are like... kids being bullied on the playground or they are like middle management and they 'just want the product to work.' In a business practice its very valid for CCP to drop support for the 98 product line. However, at the same time CCP is presented with a possible business partner to bring clients into the lineup on different platforms with relative EVE. Considering that Transgaming and the Wine Project has done all the foot work to reimplement the win32 API on *nix your outburst is pretty arrogant. CCP could hire a dedicated wine developer with the money they could make bringing in mac users into the game. There is nothing special about windows or its API library. Wine and its derivatives, free or not, is a testament to an extended business practice that can generate future revenue if a company is willing to invest in it. CCP has been a pioneer in many ways and hopefully they will blaze trails in cross compatibility clients. The DX9 client should be around for 2 more years and it is definately suitable to wine and its siblings. ----- If I was you... I'd run.
Athanasios Anastasiou Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.08.19 02:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Kaylon Syi Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 19/08/2006 00:47:34 Originally by: Sevarus James Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or [color=red]Upgrade[/color] the operating system. Fixed. Don't whine about something like this. You are almost saying that we should all stick to Multics because we shouldn't have to 'change' our OS once in a while. CCP is upgrading the client to take advantage of the OS' that 99.3% of it's subscribers have. Or are you saying that Windows 3.1 users should be able to run Doom 3? Even then, you are making a fuss about nothing. You upgrade your Linux once in a while, don't you? Also, why do you think that the Cedega/Wine programmers can't program in support for EVE eventually? It will probably come sooner than later. Last but not least: If you are such a Linux lover, why are you playing EVE? It's a DirectX based Windows platform game, the very devil you try to avoid - and now you start complaining that CCP doesn't support an application/OS they never supported in the first place? Come on. People with Windows 95/98/ME should upgrade ASAP, especially ME users. You can't get around that fact. Those OS' are lready unsupported by 99% of the developers out there, CCP has held out longer than most with support for those OS'. Be grateful they didn't switch earlier. See most linux users are actually people with business sense. Windows uses are like... kids being bullied on the playground or they are like middle management and they 'just want the product to work.' Wow. Windows users have no business sense? How many people in the financial industry use linux? By facts, it should be that linux users have no business sense. The second paragraph just makes you sound like a complete linux fanboy. Don't be so egotistic; not everybody want's to know every kernel parameter that rh can take. What's wrong with wanting something that just works? Quote: In a business practice its very valid for CCP to drop support for the 98 product line. However, at the same time CCP is presented with a possible business partner to bring clients into the lineup on different platforms with relative EVE. I'm sure ccp knows its own business model a lot better than you do and have thought this over (unless somebody was drunk). Quote: Considering that Transgaming and the Wine Project has done all the foot work to reimplement the win32 API on *nix your outburst is pretty arrogant. CCP could hire a dedicated wine developer with the money they could make bringing in mac users into the game. CCP did not ask the Wine project to reimplement the api. Thats like saying that you are arrogant for moving to a new better neighborhood when somebody you don't even know tries hard to make your street a better place.
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.08.19 03:07:00 - [24] ^^ Nice come back. I am really sick of this Linux VS Windows crap. -=====-
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.08.19 03:22:00 - [25] DING DING DING Round 1 goes to.... Tier 1 BS Lotto
Kaylon Syi Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.19 03:31:00 - [26] Edited by: Kaylon Syi on 19/08/2006 03:33:28 Originally by: Athanasios Anastasiou Wow. Windows users have no business sense? How many people in the financial industry use linux? By facts, it should be that linux users have no business sense. The second paragraph just makes you sound like a complete linux fanboy. Don't be so egotistic; not everybody want's to know every kernel parameter that rh can take. What's wrong with wanting something that just works? Windows users do have business sense... it is clearly defined as 'we have to base our model on the world standard' and 'I don't care anything that will make us the most money with low TCO'. You can't debate microsofts illegal activities to press its product on the masses. They have been found guilty too many times on every continent on the earth. They have too much pull for anyone to really do anything about it. I use and develop for both windows and linux, and mac os, and os/2 (gcc and rexx ). I am no more of a fanboy than the next guy. I have MSDN and don't pay a dime for any windows OS so I have no issues with using XP or Vista. Quote: I'm sure ccp knows its own business model a lot better than you do and have thought this over (unless somebody was drunk). Don't dismiss the user base asking for features out of a product they use or want to use. CCP can think tank all they want until they get a true number of what they could make out of extending thier business model your point is pretty moot and really a personal attack. Quote: CCP did not ask the Wine project to reimplement the api. Thats like saying that you are arrogant for moving to a new better neighborhood when somebody you don't even know tries hard to make your street a better place. It is really moot what you are implying. You are arguing a really invalid point. The work is already being done. A business partner is another avenue of marketing just like IBM and Microsoft are. And your arrogant comment is prety null since it can be argued that wine is a better re-implementation of win32 on a alien software framework. Infact, some applications are more stable on wine and cedega than natively on windows. I don't want CCP to waste time on making a universal client but I don't want them to equate the Linux users to the 98/ME users because there isn't a comparison. Infact, your tone exhibits a lot of personal attack and doesn't allude to any knowlege of the discussion at hand. ----- If I was you... I'd run.
Madcat Adams Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated	Posted - 2006.08.19 04:06:00 - [27] Edited by: Madcat Adams on 19/08/2006 04:07:13 Looked to me like the op was asking perfectly valid questions about Dragon and it's effect on Linux users, and then some windows users jumped in and started throwing smack. It simply is good business sense to cater to as many different os as one can, to pull in more market, particulary for a niche market game such as Eve. The move with Dragon to abandon the older software suprises me, then starting to believe CCP has a business deal with Microsoft which is effecting how Eve evolves into Kali. Well hope they don't expect me to buy Windows Vista, have had enough trouble with windows for years, no sense blowing more cash on something else that don't work right, is not quite trustworthy, and surrounded in a legal jargon shield that foils my every attempt to get Microsoft to fix the stupid thing. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Damfoose FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:45:00 - [28] only reason im using windows is for gaming rest of the time im in linux, if more of the games I played were cross platform compatable id switch over totally but for now windows has to be used.
skilzrulz	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:54:00 - [29] Yes this EXTREMELY ***es me off as I will not be able to play anymore...all I can say is PIECE OF SHT WINDOWS I HATE YOU.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.19 10:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 19/08/2006 00:47:34 Originally by: Sevarus James Its not just linux users that are affected. CCP is forcing the users of the game to upgrade or [color=red]Upgrade[/color] the operating system. Fixed. Don't whine about something like this. You are almost saying that we should all stick to Multics because we shouldn't have to 'change' our OS once in a while. CCP is upgrading the client to take advantage of the OS' that 99.3% of it's subscribers have. Or are you saying that Windows 3.1 users should be able to run Doom 3? Even then, you are making a fuss about nothing. You upgrade your Linux once in a while, don't you? Also, why do you think that the Cedega/Wine programmers can't program in support for EVE eventually? It will probably come sooner than later. Last but not least: If you are such a Linux lover, why are you playing EVE? It's a DirectX based Windows platform game, the very devil you try to avoid - and now you start complaining that CCP doesn't support an application/OS they never supported in the first place? Come on. People with Windows 95/98/ME should upgrade ASAP, especially ME users. You can't get around that fact. Those OS' are lready unsupported by 99% of the developers out there, CCP has held out longer than most with support for those OS'. Be grateful they didn't switch earlier. Oh my Reiisha, you FIXED my post. ---swoons. A whole lotta chattin' without apparently reading my follow up to Oveur it would appear. The only question I'm going to even bother with is the why do I, a linux user, play eve? Simple. Three years ago, my primary platform was XP. I picked up a copy of EVE early in june 2003, and have never looked back. That I CAN play EVE on Linux isn't brain surgery at this point. I love EVE. Always have. I don't love the platform its native too. My platform is better......FOR ME. The VR world that I'm addicted to, well it works just fine at this point under the platform I use. CCP seems to think its a good idea as well. (They DID give transgaming the dragon branch after all.) Still think you just read the first post out of context without reading the follow up. -shrugs. Not losing sleep over it. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV

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