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Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 00:13:46 - [1] - Quote Apparently nobody has an issue with CODE, i'm a bit surprised to be honest but whatever. If EVE players consider this acceptable i'm not really going to try to push the issue just avoid CODE. I thought people were just blind/oblivious to what's going on but apparently everyone is cool with it. Took me a while to figure out myself so i was actually convinced nobody understands what's going on that's why i took on trying to explain to everyone. I wasn't particularly angry about the ganking of my JF initially but only got quite angry later after 8-10 of their "agents" contacted me with follow-up humiliation mails, including multiple "umadbro", "should've bought a permit" "you are on the red pen list" etc. Then after they got me "ready" and "warmed up" i got multiple requests to join on voice comms and discuss the issue of purchasing the permit in person. Naturally at that point i got suspicous as it was clear that they want to record my outrage on voice comms, so I made my (at the time angry) conclusions about what they are. So yes their mission was accomplished, they made me angry as it is clear from my mental state at the time of writing that bio (which i got a warning from a GM for btw, rightfully so). Also at the time i didn't entirely realize just how exactly sick and twisted they so eventually shrugged off the gank as my own mistake and overreaction. However i also had a previous experience with them where my mining permit was revoked for "being AFK in station" with follow up attempts to resell me the permit as well as offerd to remove me from the "red pen list" for 30m, so that they could resell me the permits again after I got scammed and given a pretty much infuriating reason why. So in my head the evidence was accumulating. After they ganked my empty freighter i was getting really suspicious almost 100% confident what was going on and after an extended convo in local with "Formerly Known As AC" i had 100% confidence that they are sociopaths acting out in-game. AC also offered me multiple times to get on voice comms and continued offering me mining permits. So as i said i had multiple incidents with them and that's the only reason why i started being suspicious that they are not after ganking per se but purely after player humiliation. Their roleplay is designed for player humiliation, nothing else. Goons are by far more acceptable (and i believe do stay within the reasonable sandbox) even with their ISBox etc. Their goal is not to humiliate players, it's just economic warfare. Not a fan of goons but I believe it. This human garbage on the other hand is something else completely. So this is in reference to their recent proud update on minerbumping.com: http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/10/the-freighter-pilots-strike-back.html#comment-form They also carefully edited out other comments from other people who support my point of view. But yeah.. i AM quite surprised at this point that other players don't clearly see it and find their behavior acceptable. I'm just going to move on I guess at this point since the crusade is clearly pointless and "EVE loves them".
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 00:28:23 - [2] - Quote reserved
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John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 231	Posted - 2014.10.22 00:44:34 - [5] - Quote Can I get a screenshot from when you bought your mining permit? Just the one entry and the name of the player you gave the isk to is enough. Thank you. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 00:57:17 - [6] - Quote John E Normus wrote: Can I get a screenshot from when you bought your mining permit? Just the one entry and the name of the player you gave the isk to is enough. Thank you. http://imgur.com/affHHCS Was purchased from loyalanon who later sent me an email clearly designed to infuriate any reasonable person in response.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 01:04:39 - [7] - Quote But yeah i'm probably going to unsub, not interested in sharing space with psychos and community that accepts them.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 231	Posted - 2014.10.22 01:24:12 - [8] - Quote I've never seen or heard of anyone ever being revoked for being afk docked... That kind of stings a bit. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 01:25:33 - [9] - Quote John E Normus wrote: I've never seen or heard of anyone ever being revoked for being afk docked... That kind of stings a bit. Of course you "haven't". And of course it does because it's designed to do so.
Garandras Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 242	Posted - 2014.10.22 01:40:48 - [10] - Quote So you are posting in a area full of Null dwellers who care little of the dramas of high sec. But in the end you are letting them win by caring

John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 231	Posted - 2014.10.22 02:07:07 - [11] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Of course you "haven't". And of course it does because it's designed to do so. No, that's something I've never seen and pretty f'n stupid. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 09:03:47 - [12] - Quote Garandras wrote: So you are posting in a area full of Null dwellers who care little of the dramas of high sec. But in the end you are letting them win by caring CCP wouldn't let me post anywhere else as a form of damage control. My threads are moved here from General Discussion.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 382	Posted - 2014.10.22 09:09:50 - [13] - Quote You were unprepared, and you blew up. Beyond the economics of ganking, the New Order has everything to do with EVE, it's resources and it's power struggles. Without a mining permit, and a show of support or submission to the New Order, we are very much obliged to make you blow up. It is truly regrettable that you take this so personally. I would like to remind everyone that the New Order is not just about blowing up space ships, it is a sovereign entity in high-sec that claims rulership and extends its laws over all of high-security space, with James 315 as Supreme Protector of its territories, and The Mittani recognised as the True Chairman of the CSM. Failure to comply with the laws as outlined in the CODE will result in enforcement and correction. Any perceived threat will be dealt with extreme prejudice. Where our guns extend, so do our claims of sovereignty. If you have further questions, feel free to contact me. Also see http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html for enlightenment on the CODE. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ New Order Diplomat, contact me for all your New Order enquiries!
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 09:14:20 - [14] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: You were unprepared, and you blew up. Beyond the economics of ganking, the New Order has everything to do with EVE, it's resources and it's power struggles. Without a mining permit, and a show of support or submission to the New Order, we are very much obliged to make you blow up. It is truly regrettable that you take this so personally. I would like to remind everyone that the New Order is not just about blowing up space, it is a sovereign entity in high-sec that claims rulership and extends its laws over all of high-security space, with James 315 as Supreme Protector of its territories, and The Mittani recognised as the True Chairman of the CSM. Failure to comply with the laws as outlined in the CODE will result in forceful enforcement and correction. Any perceived threat will be dealt with extreme prejudice. Where our guns extend, so do our claims of sovereignty. If you have further questions, feel free to contact me. Also see http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html for enlightenment on the CODE. There are no more barriers for you to cross. All you have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem you have caused and your utter indifference toward it you have now surpassed. Your pain is constant and sharp, and you do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, you want your pain to be inflicted on others. You want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; your punishment continues to elude you, and you gain no deeper knowledge of yourself. No new knowledge can be extracted from your telling. Your confession has meant nothing.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 382	Posted - 2014.10.22 10:04:27 - [15] - Quote Dream Five wrote: There are no more barriers for you to cross. All you have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem you have caused and your utter indifference toward it you have now surpassed. Your pain is constant and sharp, and you do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, you want your pain to be inflicted on others. You want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; your punishment continues to elude you, and you gain no deeper knowledge of yourself. No new knowledge can be extracted from your telling. Your confession has meant nothing. And ah yes, the Mittani. The guy who incited his cronies to suggest to another player to commit suicide. (And who is still not banned) EVE is full of wonderful human beings and CCP is quite alright with it. EVE is real alright. In our magnanimity, we shall overlook your vicious slander as loss can be hard on people. But before you leave, tell us, how does all this make you feel? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ New Order Diplomat, contact me for all your New Order enquiries!
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 10:10:53 - [16] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: Dream Five wrote: There are no more barriers for you to cross. All you have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem you have caused and your utter indifference toward it you have now surpassed. Your pain is constant and sharp, and you do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, you want your pain to be inflicted on others. You want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; your punishment continues to elude you, and you gain no deeper knowledge of yourself. No new knowledge can be extracted from your telling. Your confession has meant nothing. And ah yes, the Mittani. The guy who incited his cronies to suggest to another player to commit suicide. (And who is still not banned) EVE is full of wonderful human beings and CCP is quite alright with it. EVE is real alright. In our magnanimity, we shall overlook your vicious slander, as loss can be hard on people. But before you leave, tell us, how does all this make you feel? Thanks to the likes of sociopaths like you EVE makes me feel like I had a really bad nightmare.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 10:12:41 - [17] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: Dream Five wrote: There are no more barriers for you to cross. All you have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem you have caused and your utter indifference toward it you have now surpassed. Your pain is constant and sharp, and you do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, you want your pain to be inflicted on others. You want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; your punishment continues to elude you, and you gain no deeper knowledge of yourself. No new knowledge can be extracted from your telling. Your confession has meant nothing. And ah yes, the Mittani. The guy who incited his cronies to suggest to another player to commit suicide. (And who is still not banned) EVE is full of wonderful human beings and CCP is quite alright with it. EVE is real alright. In our magnanimity, we shall overlook your vicious slander, as loss can be hard on people. But before you leave, tell us, how does all this make you feel? However "vicious" these commonly known facts might be, in order for something to be "slander" it has to be non-factual. So I noticed the Mittani has a ring on his finger. I wonder.. how does his wife feel about his online behavior? Does she even know?
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 768	Posted - 2014.10.22 10:41:01 - [18] - Quote IBTL. Also, I too would like to know who you dealt with in regards to losing your permit while docked (you never bought one so that's a lie, but hey humor me, maybe?). 8-10 agents you say? Maybe if JF's were an extremely rare occurrence, they're not and your's wasn't that special, just routine business. Care to enlighten us as to why you can't be bothered to use the skills and techniques CCP has made available to you when transporting and/or dealing with anything expensive throughout Eve? Why would you rather wail on the forums and to CCP to fix your problems for you? Can you not be bothered to make sure your route is safe before you undock?? I mean seriously. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 10:44:32 - [19] - Quote Capt Starfox wrote: IBTL. ---snip--- sociopathic lies and gibberish. ---snip--- Another pathetic attempt to redirect the subject from player abuse to game mechanics noted. And the likes of you are on CSM? That's depressing.
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 769	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:02:26 - [20] - Quote Wow. Thanks for believing I'm on the CSM, I'll take that as a compliment. Also, you're the one who's harassing players; what, because you're so upset over the loss of internet spaceship pixels in a video game about losing internet spaceship pixels? If you are unwilling to use game mechanics to ensure the safety of your vessel/space-stuff, then you deserved to lose it. Only person you should be mad at is yourself. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 98	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:04:42 - [21] - Quote Dream Five wrote: So I noticed the Mittani has a ring on his finger. Stalking people again, are we?
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:23:33 - [22] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: So I noticed the Mittani has a ring on his finger. Stalking people again, are we? You get goon cookies (gookies?) for brown nosing? He is a public figure with pictures plastered all over the internet. No need to be a stalker to know that.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 98	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:27:46 - [23] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: So I noticed the Mittani has a ring on his finger. Stalking people again, are we? You get goon cookies (gookies?) for brown nosing? He is a public figure with pictures plastered all over the internet. No need to be a stalker to know that. Funny, most of us have just noticed that half brush he's got on his chin, we don't scrutinize his hands to check if he's married. Nor do I check other celebrities' hands to see if they're marriageable, either.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:30:37 - [24] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: So I noticed the Mittani has a ring on his finger. Stalking people again, are we? You get goon cookies (gookies?) for brown nosing? He is a public figure with pictures plastered all over the internet. No need to be a stalker to know that. Funny, most of us have just noticed that half brush he's got on his chin, we don't scrutinize his hands to check if he's married. Nor do I check other celebrities' hands to see if they're marriageable, either. Kind of an obvious detail to any observant person. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/29/the-mittanis-crime-punishment-in-eve-online/
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:34:11 - [25] - Quote "CCP also intend to clamp down on behaviour in fanfest panels, admitting in a long devblog that theyGÇÖre increasingly mindful of how they and their game might be perceived by the wider world. GÇ£Time for us to grow up a bit. GÇ£Internet spaceshipsGÇ¥ are often called GÇ£serious businessGÇ¥, but increasingly they actually are serious business. It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. We would be remiss not to use this as a chance to revise our event and communication strategies.GÇ¥ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28575 "It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. " Looks like an F for FAIL for CCP. Cesspool.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 98	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:37:25 - [26] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: So I noticed the Mittani has a ring on his finger. Stalking people again, are we? You get goon cookies (gookies?) for brown nosing? He is a public figure with pictures plastered all over the internet. No need to be a stalker to know that. Funny, most of us have just noticed that half brush he's got on his chin, we don't scrutinize his hands to check if he's married. Nor do I check other celebrities' hands to see if they're marriageable, either. Kind of an obvious detail to any observant person. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/29/the-mittanis-crime-punishment-in-eve-online/ You must have a different definition of "obvious detail" than I do, because I still don't think looking at someone's hands to see if they're marriagable or not is a worthwhile time endeavour. Apparently, you do.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 98	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:38:41 - [27] - Quote Dream Five wrote: "CCP also intend to clamp down on behaviour in fanfest panels, admitting in a long devblog that theyGÇÖre increasingly mindful of how they and their game might be perceived by the wider world. GÇ£Time for us to grow up a bit. GÇ£Internet spaceshipsGÇ¥ are often called GÇ£serious businessGÇ¥, but increasingly they actually are serious business. It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. We would be remiss not to use this as a chance to revise our event and communication strategies.GÇ¥ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28575 "It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. " Looks like an F for FAIL for CCP. Cesspool. Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum?
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:40:38 - [28] - Quote Capt Starfox wrote: Wow. Thanks for believing I'm on the CSM, I'll take that as a compliment. Also, you're the one who's harassing players; what, because you're so upset over the loss of internet spaceship pixels in a video game about losing internet spaceship pixels? If you are unwilling to use game mechanics to ensure the safety of your vessel/space-stuff, then you deserved to lose it. Only person you should be mad at is yourself. Poor things you are getting so abused. Standard sociopath MO to play the victim. Yet another pathetic attempt to redirect the subject from player abuse to game mechanics noted.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:41:28 - [29] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: "CCP also intend to clamp down on behaviour in fanfest panels, admitting in a long devblog that theyGÇÖre increasingly mindful of how they and their game might be perceived by the wider world. GÇ£Time for us to grow up a bit. GÇ£Internet spaceshipsGÇ¥ are often called GÇ£serious businessGÇ¥, but increasingly they actually are serious business. It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. We would be remiss not to use this as a chance to revise our event and communication strategies.GÇ¥ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28575 "It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. " Looks like an F for FAIL for CCP. Cesspool. Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Excuse me? That sounds like a threat about distributing personal information that you have no access to other than by hacking into my personal computer. You are looking for some jail time?
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 98	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:51:09 - [30] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: "CCP also intend to clamp down on behaviour in fanfest panels, admitting in a long devblog that theyGÇÖre increasingly mindful of how they and their game might be perceived by the wider world. GÇ£Time for us to grow up a bit. GÇ£Internet spaceshipsGÇ¥ are often called GÇ£serious businessGÇ¥, but increasingly they actually are serious business. It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. We would be remiss not to use this as a chance to revise our event and communication strategies.GÇ¥ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28575 "It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. " Looks like an F for FAIL for CCP. Cesspool. Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Excuse me? That sounds like a threat about distributing personal information that you have no access to other than by hacking to my personal computer. You are looking for some jail time? Because I assure you that I will press charges. Holy **** you sure are paranoid. So paranoid that you completely missed the point I was making. Go back, take off your tinfoil hat and read what the blog actually is all about. Then you might actually understand what I'm talking about. Hacking your computer over an internet game. That's an interesting theory, I can't wait for what you come up with next.

Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:54:33 - [31] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: "CCP also intend to clamp down on behaviour in fanfest panels, admitting in a long devblog that theyGÇÖre increasingly mindful of how they and their game might be perceived by the wider world. GÇ£Time for us to grow up a bit. GÇ£Internet spaceshipsGÇ¥ are often called GÇ£serious businessGÇ¥, but increasingly they actually are serious business. It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. We would be remiss not to use this as a chance to revise our event and communication strategies.GÇ¥ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28575 "It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. " Looks like an F for FAIL for CCP. Cesspool. Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Excuse me? That sounds like a threat about distributing personal information that you have no access to other than by hacking to my personal computer. You are looking for some jail time? Because I assure you that I will press charges. Holy **** you sure are paranoid. So paranoid that you completely missed the point I was making. Go back, take off your tinfoil hat and read what the blog actually is all about. Then you might actually understand what I'm talking about. Hacking your computer over an internet game. That's an interesting theory, I can't wait for what you come up with next. Ok there were two interpetations for what you said, i was just clarifying which one you had in mind. So yeah the Mittani had his name disclosed, sucks for him I suppose. Also Karma is a bee.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 99	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:00:08 - [32] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: "CCP also intend to clamp down on behaviour in fanfest panels, admitting in a long devblog that theyGÇÖre increasingly mindful of how they and their game might be perceived by the wider world. GÇ£Time for us to grow up a bit. GÇ£Internet spaceshipsGÇ¥ are often called GÇ£serious businessGÇ¥, but increasingly they actually are serious business. It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. We would be remiss not to use this as a chance to revise our event and communication strategies.GÇ¥ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28575 "It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. " Looks like an F for FAIL for CCP. Cesspool. Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Excuse me? That sounds like a threat about distributing personal information that you have no access to other than by hacking to my personal computer. You are looking for some jail time? Because I assure you that I will press charges. Holy **** you sure are paranoid. So paranoid that you completely missed the point I was making. Go back, take off your tinfoil hat and read what the blog actually is all about. Then you might actually understand what I'm talking about. Hacking your computer over an internet game. That's an interesting theory, I can't wait for what you come up with next. Ok there were two interpetations for what you said, i was just clarifying which one you had in mind. So yeah the Mittani had his name disclosed, sucks for him I suppose. Also Karma is a bee. No, that wasn't the point either.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:01:13 - [33] - Quote Anyways as I said before tbh goons never struck me as particularly evil. Maybe i just don't know. Even that Mittani's comment probably never deserved as much attention as it's getting as he probably (hopefully?) didn't actually mean it. Although it's pretty vile so i don't know... But CODE envelop us in a whole another, much higher level of disturbia.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:03:59 - [34] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: No, that wasn't the point either. I would just suggest that you should probably unambiguously clarify then, otherwise it sounds pretty bad.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 99	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:10:22 - [35] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Anyways as I said before tbh goons never struck me as particularly evil. Maybe i just don't know. Even that Mittani's comment probably never deserved as much attention as it's getting as he probably (hopefully?) didn't actually mean it. Although it's pretty vile so i don't know... But CODE envelop us in a whole another, much higher level of disturbia. From the little I've seen, CODE. is keeping everything in-game. You just pulled in Mittens' wife into the mix. I'm not sure what's most disturbing, those playing the roles of total assholes in a game, or those blending the two worlds.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 99	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:11:15 - [36] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: No, that wasn't the point either. I would just suggest that you should probably unambiguously clarify then, otherwise it sounds pretty bad. Actually, nah. I'd rather you press charges for hacking your computer, it'd be much more interesting to watch.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:13:22 - [37] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Anyways as I said before tbh goons never struck me as particularly evil. Maybe i just don't know. Even that Mittani's comment probably never deserved as much attention as it's getting as he probably (hopefully?) didn't actually mean it. Although it's pretty vile so i don't know... But CODE envelop us in a whole another, much higher level of disturbia. From the little I've seen, CODE. is keeping everything in-game. You just pulled in Mittens' wife into the mix. I'm not sure what's most disturbing, those playing the roles of total assholes in a game, or those blending the two worlds. This thread was never about in-game. Who has a tin-foil hat now? A goon asked me how it makes me feel. I asked back about how someone (to me a hypothetical person i have no desire to ever meet or know btw yet a real caring person i'm sure) else feels about something else. Yes you've seen little. Out of game extortion is what CODE does. Maybe you should educate yourself about Erotica1 before responding to this thread.
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 769	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:20:06 - [38] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Capt Starfox wrote: Wow. Thanks for believing I'm on the CSM, I'll take that as a compliment. Also, you're the one who's harassing players; what, because you're so upset over the loss of internet spaceship pixels in a video game about losing internet spaceship pixels? If you are unwilling to use game mechanics to ensure the safety of your vessel/space-stuff, then you deserved to lose it. Only person you should be mad at is yourself. Poor things you are getting so abused. Standard sociopath MO to play the victim. Yet another pathetic attempt to redirect the subject from player abuse to game mechanics noted. How is it an attempt to redirect? It's your fault and you're blaming everything and anything else besides you, simple. 1. You lost your internet spaceship. It happens and it's suppose to help you learn what and what not to do next time. 2. You got mad and made some interesting publications. This is okay, you're venting. But the rest is where you take a bad turn. 3. You lose some more internet spaceships because you didn't learn learn from your experience (is this choke-point in highsec where I got ganked last time safe?). 4. You got even more mad and reiterated your already interesting publications and created your first wail thread begging CCP to save you, iirc. 5. The people who blew up your internet spaceship found out about your interesting publications and began taking notice. 6. You get more upset and start forum wailing; desperately grasping for anything that might support your statement without doing the necessary research to confirm your now drivel. This pretty much sums it up. This is your fault and you're blaming everyone else around you and now that you're losing and/or not getting your way, you threaten to quit the game; how mature of you. Obligatory: Can i haz ur stuffz? Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:24:59 - [39] - Quote Capt Starfox wrote: Dream Five wrote: Capt Starfox wrote: Wow. Thanks for believing I'm on the CSM, I'll take that as a compliment. Also, you're the one who's harassing players; what, because you're so upset over the loss of internet spaceship pixels in a video game about losing internet spaceship pixels? If you are unwilling to use game mechanics to ensure the safety of your vessel/space-stuff, then you deserved to lose it. Only person you should be mad at is yourself. Poor things you are getting so abused. Standard sociopath MO to play the victim. Yet another pathetic attempt to redirect the subject from player abuse to game mechanics noted. How is it an attempt to redirect? It's your fault and you're blaming everything and anything else besides you, simple. 1. You lost your internet spaceship. It happens and it's suppose to help you learn what and what not to do next time. 2. You got mad and made some interesting publications. This is okay, you're venting. But the rest is where you take a bad turn. 3. You lose some more internet spaceships because you didn't learn learn from your experience (is this choke-point in highsec where I got ganked last time safe?). 4. You got even more mad and reiterated your already interesting publications and created your first wail thread begging CCP to save you, iirc. 5. The people who blew up your internet spaceship found out about your interesting publications and began taking notice. 6. You get more upset and start forum wailing; desperately grasping for anything that might support your statement without doing the necessary research to confirm your now drivel. This pretty much sums it up. This is your fault and you're blaming everyone else around you and now that you're losing and/or not getting your way, you threaten to quit the game; how mature of you. Obligatory: Can i haz ur stuffz? Another attempt to redirect from player abuse to player mechanics. Just because you think i'm upset about loss of spaceships doesn't make it true. I'm however pretty upset about sociopathic players in this game who tried to get me on voice comms with clear and proven intention to humiliate, debase and enrage. Anyways I actually wish you luck in your endeavors and genuinely hope that his game will fold ASAP with your help. Just to dissolve this cesspool.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:35:07 - [40] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Anyways as I said before tbh goons never struck me as particularly evil. Maybe i just don't know. Even that Mittani's comment probably never deserved as much attention as it's getting as he probably (hopefully?) didn't actually mean it. Although it's pretty vile so i don't know... But CODE envelop us in a whole another, much higher level of disturbia. From the little I've seen, CODE. is keeping everything in-game. You just pulled in Mittens' wife into the mix. I'm not sure what's most disturbing, those playing the roles of total assholes in a game, or those blending the two worlds. This thread was never about in-game. Who has a tin-foil hat now? A goon asked me how it makes me feel. I asked back about how someone (to me a hypothetical person i have no desire to ever meet or know btw yet a real caring person i'm sure) else feels about something else. Yes you've seen little. Out of game extortion is what CODE members are known for. Maybe you should educate yourself about Erotica1 before responding to this thread. The URL you linked to just showed you, who I assume is not a psychologist, diagnose people as sociopaths based on ingame ganks and attempts to sell "permits" (which may or may not have what can only be described as a "limited warranty", I don't know since I'm not in CODE, nor am I affiliated with them in any way, shape or form) in various ways. You (or one of your underlings/friends/whatever, I don't care) also changed their bio, telling them to go kill hookers or become the next ****** instead of roleplaying assholes in space. And now, you've dragged mittens' wife into the mix, and somehow (I've no idea how, but there you go) assumed I've hacked your computer to find out your real name, and basically threatened me with RL punishment over something I haven't done. All this over a freighter, a jumpfreighter, and apparently "constant harassment" (which, btw, is very easy to stop: EVE has this feature called "blocking people"), and an article detailing their side of the story. I'm not so sure you should be the one to toss around the word "sociopath" too freely, you seem to be having more than your fair share of issues. You should probably take a step back and reevaluate the path you're on.

Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 385	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:40:39 - [41] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Capt Starfox wrote: Dream Five wrote: Capt Starfox wrote: Wow. Thanks for believing I'm on the CSM, I'll take that as a compliment. Also, you're the one who's harassing players; what, because you're so upset over the loss of internet spaceship pixels in a video game about losing internet spaceship pixels? If you are unwilling to use game mechanics to ensure the safety of your vessel/space-stuff, then you deserved to lose it. Only person you should be mad at is yourself. Poor things you are getting so abused. Standard sociopath MO to play the victim. Yet another pathetic attempt to redirect the subject from player abuse to game mechanics noted. How is it an attempt to redirect? It's your fault and you're blaming everything and anything else besides you, simple. 1. You lost your internet spaceship. It happens and it's suppose to help you learn what and what not to do next time. 2. You got mad and made some interesting publications. This is okay, you're venting. But the rest is where you take a bad turn. 3. You lose some more internet spaceships because you didn't learn learn from your experience (is this choke-point in highsec where I got ganked last time safe?). 4. You got even more mad and reiterated your already interesting publications and created your first wail thread begging CCP to save you, iirc. 5. The people who blew up your internet spaceship found out about your interesting publications and began taking notice. 6. You get more upset and start forum wailing; desperately grasping for anything that might support your statement without doing the necessary research to confirm your now drivel. This pretty much sums it up. This is your fault and you're blaming everyone else around you and now that you're losing and/or not getting your way, you threaten to quit the game; how mature of you. Obligatory: Can i haz ur stuffz? Another attempt to redirect from player abuse to player mechanics. Just because you think i'm upset about loss of spaceships doesn't make it true. I'm however pretty upset about sociopathic players in this game who tried to get me on voice comms with clear and proven intention to humiliate, debase and enrage. Anyways I actually wish you luck in your endeavors and genuinely hope that his game will fold ASAP with your help. Just to dissolve this cesspool. Just because you assume that we want to get you on voice coms to humiliate you, doesn't make it so. The New Order is always happy to reach out to everyone. You could have been our friend! But if you're leaving, I believe there is a queue for your stuff. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ New Order Diplomat, contact me for all your New Order enquiries!
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:41:44 - [42] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Anyways as I said before tbh goons never struck me as particularly evil. Maybe i just don't know. Even that Mittani's comment probably never deserved as much attention as it's getting as he probably (hopefully?) didn't actually mean it. Although it's pretty vile so i don't know... But CODE envelop us in a whole another, much higher level of disturbia. From the little I've seen, CODE. is keeping everything in-game. You just pulled in Mittens' wife into the mix. I'm not sure what's most disturbing, those playing the roles of total assholes in a game, or those blending the two worlds. This thread was never about in-game. Who has a tin-foil hat now? A goon asked me how it makes me feel. I asked back about how someone (to me a hypothetical person i have no desire to ever meet or know btw yet a real caring person i'm sure) else feels about something else. Yes you've seen little. Out of game extortion is what CODE members are known for. Maybe you should educate yourself about Erotica1 before responding to this thread. The URL you linked to just showed you, who I assume is not a psychologist, diagnose people as sociopaths based on ingame ganks and attempts to sell "permits" (which may or may not have what can only be described as a "limited warranty", I don't know since I'm not in CODE, nor am I affiliated with them in any way, shape or form) in various ways. You (or one of your underlings/friends/whatever, I don't care) also changed their bio, telling them to go kill hookers or become the next ****** instead of roleplaying assholes in space. And now, you've dragged mittens' wife into the mix, and somehow (I've no idea how, but there you go) assumed I've hacked your computer to find out your real name, and basically threatened me with RL punishment over something I haven't done. All this over a freighter, a jumpfreighter, and apparently "constant harassment" (which, btw, is very easy to stop: EVE has this feature called "blocking people"), and an article detailing their side of the story. I'm not so sure you should be the one to toss around the word "sociopath" too freely, you seem to be having more than your fair share of issues. You should probably take a step back and reevaluate the path you're on. You might be right in that they got to me a bit more than i should have allowed. However before trying to claim such high moral ground you should still probably clarify what you meant by this, unless of course you'd prefer a GM to contact you about this issue: >>>Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Just to clarify you seem like a fairly reasonable guy so far and i have no quarrel with you, so i genuinely hope that you have a good clarification.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:44:16 - [43] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: Dream Five wrote: Capt Starfox wrote: Dream Five wrote: Capt Starfox wrote: Wow. Thanks for believing I'm on the CSM, I'll take that as a compliment. Also, you're the one who's harassing players; what, because you're so upset over the loss of internet spaceship pixels in a video game about losing internet spaceship pixels? If you are unwilling to use game mechanics to ensure the safety of your vessel/space-stuff, then you deserved to lose it. Only person you should be mad at is yourself. Poor things you are getting so abused. Standard sociopath MO to play the victim. Yet another pathetic attempt to redirect the subject from player abuse to game mechanics noted. How is it an attempt to redirect? It's your fault and you're blaming everything and anything else besides you, simple. 1. You lost your internet spaceship. It happens and it's suppose to help you learn what and what not to do next time. 2. You got mad and made some interesting publications. This is okay, you're venting. But the rest is where you take a bad turn. 3. You lose some more internet spaceships because you didn't learn learn from your experience (is this choke-point in highsec where I got ganked last time safe?). 4. You got even more mad and reiterated your already interesting publications and created your first wail thread begging CCP to save you, iirc. 5. The people who blew up your internet spaceship found out about your interesting publications and began taking notice. 6. You get more upset and start forum wailing; desperately grasping for anything that might support your statement without doing the necessary research to confirm your now drivel. This pretty much sums it up. This is your fault and you're blaming everyone else around you and now that you're losing and/or not getting your way, you threaten to quit the game; how mature of you. Obligatory: Can i haz ur stuffz? Another attempt to redirect from player abuse to player mechanics. Just because you think i'm upset about loss of spaceships doesn't make it true. I'm however pretty upset about sociopathic players in this game who tried to get me on voice comms with clear and proven intention to humiliate, debase and enrage. Anyways I actually wish you luck in your endeavors and genuinely hope that his game will fold ASAP with your help. Just to dissolve this cesspool. Just because assume that we want to get you on voice coms to humiliate you, doesn't make it so. The New Order is always happy to reach out to everyone. You could have been our friend! But if you're leaving, I believe there is a queue for your stuff. Your wallet is too small for all my stuff. But do keep your hopes up :)
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 385	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:57:43 - [44] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Your wallet is too small for all my stuff. But do keep your hopes up :) There are poorer goons with more stuff than you, darling. Even full-time gankers have more stuff than you. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ New Order Diplomat, contact me for all your New Order enquiries!
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2014.10.22 12:58:00 - [45] - Quote Dream Five wrote: You might be right in that they got to me a bit more than i should have allowed. However before trying to claim such high moral ground you should still probably clarify what you meant by this, unless of course you'd prefer a GM to contact you about this issue: >>>Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Just to clarify you seem like a fairly reasonable guy so far and i have no quarrel with you, so i genuinely hope that you have a good clarification. Hey, if you're going to drag GMs into the mix over your paranoid interpretation of a sentence, then by all means, I'll happily have a nice chat with them about it. I've never talked to a GM before, it'll be a novel experience. Oh, and don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 13:16:41 - [46] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: You might be right in that they got to me a bit more than i should have allowed. However before trying to claim such high moral ground you should still probably clarify what you meant by this, unless of course you'd prefer a GM to contact you about this issue: >>>Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Just to clarify you seem like a fairly reasonable guy so far and i have no quarrel with you, so i genuinely hope that you have a good clarification. Hey, if you're going to drag GMs into the mix over your paranoid interpretation of a sentence, then by all means, I'll happily have a nice chat with them about it. I've never talked to a GM before, it'll be a novel experience. Oh, and don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer. Paranoid how? It would sound like a threat to almost any reasonable person i think. I'm trying to see any other interpretation but i don't give that you dismissed one other i had. You say there is but you prefer to keep me guessing. Perhaps because you just don't have one?
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 13:18:41 - [47] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: Dream Five wrote: Your wallet is too small for all my stuff. But do keep your hopes up :) There are poorer goons with more stuff than you, darling. Even full-time gankers have more stuff than you. who cares, really about your stuff goons stuff or my stuff. I was just joking.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2014.10.22 13:25:16 - [48] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: You might be right in that they got to me a bit more than i should have allowed. However before trying to claim such high moral ground you should still probably clarify what you meant by this, unless of course you'd prefer a GM to contact you about this issue: >>>Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Just to clarify you seem like a fairly reasonable guy so far and i have no quarrel with you, so i genuinely hope that you have a good clarification. Hey, if you're going to drag GMs into the mix over your paranoid interpretation of a sentence, then by all means, I'll happily have a nice chat with them about it. I've never talked to a GM before, it'll be a novel experience. Oh, and don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer. Paranoid how? It would sound like a threat to almost any reasonable person i think. I'm trying to see any other interpretation but i don't give that you dismissed one other i had. You say there is but you prefer to keep me guessing. Perhaps because you just don't have one? I guess that's for the GM to find out, then, isn't it? And as always, don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 432	Posted - 2014.10.22 13:27:46 - [49] - Quote Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: You might be right in that they got to me a bit more than i should have allowed. However before trying to claim such high moral ground you should still probably clarify what you meant by this, unless of course you'd prefer a GM to contact you about this issue: >>>Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Just to clarify you seem like a fairly reasonable guy so far and i have no quarrel with you, so i genuinely hope that you have a good clarification. Hey, if you're going to drag GMs into the mix over your paranoid interpretation of a sentence, then by all means, I'll happily have a nice chat with them about it. I've never talked to a GM before, it'll be a novel experience. Oh, and don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer. Paranoid how? It would sound like a threat to almost any reasonable person i think. I'm trying to see any other interpretation but i don't give that you dismissed one other i had. You say there is but you prefer to keep me guessing. Perhaps because you just don't have one? I guess that's for the GM to find out, then, isn't it? And as always, don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer. Whatever dude i'll take your word for it. Even though you clearly are trolling me with the intention to make me think that there is a possibility that it's a threat rather than making a simple explanation. So i guess that makes you i don't know what even. A saint i guess.
Lord TGR Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2014.10.22 13:43:42 - [50] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: Lord TGR wrote: Dream Five wrote: You might be right in that they got to me a bit more than i should have allowed. However before trying to claim such high moral ground you should still probably clarify what you meant by this, unless of course you'd prefer a GM to contact you about this issue: >>>Has your real life name been disclosed in conjunction with whatever's got a bee up your bum? Just to clarify you seem like a fairly reasonable guy so far and i have no quarrel with you, so i genuinely hope that you have a good clarification. Hey, if you're going to drag GMs into the mix over your paranoid interpretation of a sentence, then by all means, I'll happily have a nice chat with them about it. I've never talked to a GM before, it'll be a novel experience. Oh, and don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer. Paranoid how? It would sound like a threat to almost any reasonable person i think. I'm trying to see any other interpretation but i don't give that you dismissed one other i had. You say there is but you prefer to keep me guessing. Perhaps because you just don't have one? I guess that's for the GM to find out, then, isn't it? And as always, don't forget to press charges on hacking your computer. Whatever dude i'll take your word for it. Even though you clearly are trolling me with the intention to make me think that there is a possibility that it's a threat rather than making a simple explanation. So i guess that makes you i don't know what even. A saint i guess. Let me make this abundantly clear, since you seem to be unable to make the appropriate connection yourself: there was no threat in that statement. The fact that you can't see that, or don't believe that, is not my problem, but I'll happily discuss exactly what I meant with a GM, if you so choose to take it that far. Be my guest, I don't care.

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2718	Posted - 2014.10.22 19:32:46 - [51] - Quote Dream Five wrote: :words: Wow, what is your problem? Stop throwing a massive highesc tantrum and tell us already. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Viktor Fel Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2014.10.22 21:04:03 - [52] - Quote Many EVE Online players do not have an issue with CODE, because we have been in EVE long enough to comprehend that CODE is doing, in part, what a game like EVE online as designed for. Creating oneGÇÖs own content within the scope of the game parameters. Dream Five may recall that I warned her in another thread of the perils of becoming too emotionally attached. The OP claims that she understood her overreactions prior to this latest thread, yet I see no proof in her posts that she has learned much at all. I have seen no proof of the allegations what so ever. Usually there is a digital trail of scams, etc. Yet the posts have offered no logs, conversation snippets, anything; to back your claim that you were ever a permit holder, let alone that one was revoked. Dream Five postings are still insinuating and/or accusing members of CODE and those who support what CODE is doing of various psychological disorders. The posting seems to be littered with emotionally charged conclusions as well. There is nothing that CODE does that deviates from the norm of EVE online culture, and there is certainly no criminality involved. In fact, it is a sense of ethics that drives CODE to do what they do. More so, CODE shows a certain amount of empathy for those miners/freighters who are not engaged in Bot-aspirant activities. CODE tends to free systems for people who actually enjoy the activities of mining and hauling from the true anti-social behavior of running 15 miner accounts simultaneously and stripping everything from high-sec systems, with absolutely no human interaction. Reading the posts of Dream Five however, I see a lot of what can be called a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations. In some of the posts there appears to be an inability to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. For example, Dream Five seems to care nothing for a miner when he/she logs into EVE to mine for an hour only to find the entire system has been stripped by two people, who interact with no one, running 12 accounts each. The responses of Dream Five seem to be excessively attuned to reactions of others, but only if the player perceived them as relevant to herself. Antagonism, characterized by grandiosity seems to be a common theme in her posting in fact. Example: calling CODE members and those who support them in any way GÇ£insaneGÇ¥, a legal definition and not a clinical one I might add. In the most recent posts she seems to have developed a pervasive pattern of cognitive or perceptual distortions and eccentricities of behavior in the form of a slew of baseless allegations against other players and companies; that may be considered by outside observers as suspiciousness, or paranoid ideation. From what I have seen of Dream FiveGÇÖs forums behavior, and by her own posting I would say NPD with a dash of SPD and projecting it on CODE in a destructive way that is not conducive to the cultural norms of EVE Online. #NCDocked
Drammie Askold Phoibe Enterprises 2	Posted - 2014.10.22 22:10:17 - [53] - Quote Hey OP, why didn't you tank your freighters and not go AFK? Problem solved.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie The Conference Elite CODE. 1088	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:27:25 - [54] - Quote Dream Five, two questions. 1. Who sold you your permit? 2. Who revoked your permit while you were docked? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Formerly Known AsAC The Conference Elite CODE. 565	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:34:38 - [55] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Apparently nobody has an issue with CODE, i'm a bit surprised to be honest but whatever. If EVE players consider this acceptable i'm not really going to try to push the issue just avoid CODE. I thought people were just blind/oblivious to what's going on but apparently everyone is cool with it. Took me a while to figure out myself so i was actually convinced nobody understands what's going on that's why i took on trying to explain to everyone. I wasn't particularly angry about the ganking of my JF back in september initially but only got quite angry later after 8-10 of their "agents" contacted me with follow-up humiliation mails, including multiple "umadbro", "should've bought a permit" "you are on the red pen list" etc. Then after they got me "ready" and "warmed up" i got multiple requests to join on voice comms and discuss the issue of purchasing the permit in person. Naturally at that point i got suspicous as it was clear that they want to record my outrage on voice comms, so I made my (at the time angry) conclusions about what they are. So yes their mission was accomplished, they made me angry as it is clear from my mental state at the time of writing that bio (which i got a warning from a GM for btw, rightfully so). Also at the time i didn't entirely realize just how exactly sick and twisted they so eventually shrugged off the gank as my own mistake and overreaction. However i also had a previous experience with them where my mining permit was revoked for "being AFK in station" with follow up attempts to resell me the permit as well as offerd to remove me from the "red pen list" for 30m, so that they could resell me the permits again after I got scammed and given a pretty much infuriating reason why. So in my head the evidence was accumulating. After they ganked my empty freighter i was getting really suspicious almost 100% confident what was going on and after an extended convo in local with "Formerly Known As AC" i had 100% confidence that they are sociopaths acting out in-game. AC also offered me multiple times to get on voice comms and continued offering me mining permits. So as i said i had multiple incidents with them and that's the only reason why i started being suspicious that they are not after ganking per se but purely after player humiliation. Their roleplay is designed for player humiliation, nothing else. Goons are by far more acceptable (and i believe do stay within the reasonable sandbox) even with their ISBox etc. Their goal is not to humiliate players, it's just economic warfare. Not a fan of goons but I believe it. This human garbage on the other hand is something else completely. So this is in reference to their recent proud update on minerbumping.com: http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/10/the-freighter-pilots-strike-back.html#comment-form They also carefully edited out other comments from other people who support my point of view. But yeah.. i AM quite surprised at this point that other players don't clearly see it and find their behavior acceptable. I'm just going to move on I guess at this point since the crusade is clearly pointless and "EVE loves them". Notice how they basically brag in CCP's face that they accepted "donations" from Erotica1. They are blatantly spitting at CCP's face at this point with thinly disguised connection to Erotica1, abundant evidence of humiliation-targeted roleplay and are successful at it. Congrats CODE. Now that you win this game maybe it's time to move on to be successful criminals, isn't that where the real challenge is for you as anti-socials? Also note how "AC" is blatantly spitting in CCP's face by renaming his character to "Formerly Known as AC". His bio still contains the full name "Formerly Known as" "Anl Cnl". Clearly this player find this funny/amusing and has no regrets or recognition of his actions. This is standard sociopath MO, obviously if you lack a "moral compass" you'll never see how or why you are wrong in first place. The sickest part about this all is that they actually employ other people who are not sociopaths to do work for them under pretense of sandbox roleplay. I seem to have made an impression on you! I am glad you like my old name, and I guess you like my new name as well! Might I interest you in purchasing a permit? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 572	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:34:38 - [56] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Apparently nobody has an issue with CODE, i'm a bit surprised to be honest but whatever. If EVE players consider this acceptable i'm not really going to try to push the issue just avoid CODE. I thought people were just blind/oblivious to what's going on but apparently everyone is cool with it. Took me a while to figure out myself so i was actually convinced nobody understands what's going on that's why i took on trying to explain to everyone. I wasn't particularly angry about the ganking of my JF back in september initially but only got quite angry later after 8-10 of their "agents" contacted me with follow-up humiliation mails, including multiple "umadbro", "should've bought a permit" "you are on the red pen list" etc. Then after they got me "ready" and "warmed up" i got multiple requests to join on voice comms and discuss the issue of purchasing the permit in person. Naturally at that point i got suspicous as it was clear that they want to record my outrage on voice comms, so I made my (at the time angry) conclusions about what they are. So yes their mission was accomplished, they made me angry as it is clear from my mental state at the time of writing that bio (which i got a warning from a GM for btw, rightfully so). Also at the time i didn't entirely realize just how exactly sick and twisted they so eventually shrugged off the gank as my own mistake and overreaction. However i also had a previous experience with them where my mining permit was revoked for "being AFK in station" with follow up attempts to resell me the permit as well as offerd to remove me from the "red pen list" for 30m, so that they could resell me the permits again after I got scammed and given a pretty much infuriating reason why. So in my head the evidence was accumulating. After they ganked my empty freighter i was getting really suspicious almost 100% confident what was going on and after an extended convo in local with "Formerly Known As AC" i had 100% confidence that they are sociopaths acting out in-game. AC also offered me multiple times to get on voice comms and continued offering me mining permits. So as i said i had multiple incidents with them and that's the only reason why i started being suspicious that they are not after ganking per se but purely after player humiliation. Their roleplay is designed for player humiliation, nothing else. Goons are by far more acceptable (and i believe do stay within the reasonable sandbox) even with their ISBox etc. Their goal is not to humiliate players, it's just economic warfare. Not a fan of goons but I believe it. This human garbage on the other hand is something else completely. So this is in reference to their recent proud update on minerbumping.com: http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/10/the-freighter-pilots-strike-back.html#comment-form They also carefully edited out other comments from other people who support my point of view. But yeah.. i AM quite surprised at this point that other players don't clearly see it and find their behavior acceptable. I'm just going to move on I guess at this point since the crusade is clearly pointless and "EVE loves them". Notice how they basically brag in CCP's face that they accepted "donations" from Erotica1. They are blatantly spitting at CCP's face at this point with thinly disguised connection to Erotica1, abundant evidence of humiliation-targeted roleplay and are successful at it. Congrats CODE. Now that you win this game maybe it's time to move on to be successful criminals, isn't that where the real challenge is for you as anti-socials? Also note how "AC" is blatantly spitting in CCP's face by renaming his character to "Formerly Known as AC". His bio still contains the full name "Formerly Known as" "Anl Cnl". Clearly this player find this funny/amusing and has no regrets or recognition of his actions. This is standard sociopath MO, obviously if you lack a "moral compass" you'll never see how or why you are wrong in first place. The sickest part about this all is that they actually employ other people who are not sociopaths to do work for them under pretense of sandbox roleplay. I seem to have made an impression on you! I am glad you like my old name, and I guess you like my new name as well! Might I interest you in purchasing a permit? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 493	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:38:02 - [57] - Quote I am personally grateful for the tears provided by Dream Five. Thankyou again for the tears. Dont forget to get a mining permit for your freighters when travelling in all James 315 territory. Thankyou for your compliance.
Athena Aideron EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 0	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:43:58 - [58] - Quote I fail to see how someone shooting spaceships in a spaceship shooting game could be considered sociopathic.. I mean Eve revolves around content creation and those Code fellows provide an impressive amount of content for all to enjoy and endure. I mean, unsolicitated pvp is at the core of Eve, non? Would you consider me evil if I told you I played Mass Effect as a total renegade? Eve is no different.
Formerly Known AsAC The Conference Elite CODE. 565	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:00:43 - [59] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: Dream Five wrote: Your wallet is too small for all my stuff. But do keep your hopes up :) There are poorer goons with more stuff than you, darling. Even full-time gankers have more stuff than you. Even after 2 freighter and 1 JF loss... I am willing to bet this is true. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 572	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:00:43 - [60] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: Dream Five wrote: Your wallet is too small for all my stuff. But do keep your hopes up :) There are poorer goons with more stuff than you, darling. Even full-time gankers have more stuff than you. Even after 2 freighter and 1 JF loss... I am willing to bet this is true. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á

Formerly Known AsAC The Conference Elite CODE. 567	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:28:33 - [61] - Quote Viktor Fel wrote: Many EVE Online players do not have an issue with CODE, because we have been in EVE long enough to comprehend that CODE is doing, in part, what a game like EVE online as designed for. Creating oneGÇÖs own content within the scope of the game parameters. Dream Five may recall that I warned her in another thread of the perils of becoming too emotionally attached. The OP claims that she understood her overreactions prior to this latest thread, yet I see no proof in her posts that she has learned much at all. I have seen no proof of the allegations what so ever. Usually there is a digital trail of scams, etc. Yet the posts have offered no logs, conversation snippets, anything; to back your claim that you were ever a permit holder, let alone that one was revoked. Dream Five postings are still insinuating and/or accusing members of CODE and those who support what CODE is doing of various psychological disorders. The posting seems to be littered with emotionally charged conclusions as well. There is nothing that CODE does that deviates from the norm of EVE online culture, and there is certainly no criminality involved. In fact, it is a sense of ethics that drives CODE to do what they do. More so, CODE shows a certain amount of empathy for those miners/freighters who are not engaged in Bot-aspirant activities. CODE tends to free systems for people who actually enjoy the activities of mining and hauling from the true anti-social behavior of running 15 miner accounts simultaneously and stripping everything from high-sec systems, with absolutely no human interaction. Reading the posts of Dream Five however, I see a lot of what can be called a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations. In some of the posts there appears to be an inability to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. For example, Dream Five seems to care nothing for a miner when he/she logs into EVE to mine for an hour only to find the entire system has been stripped by two people, who interact with no one, running 12 accounts each. The responses of Dream Five seem to be excessively attuned to reactions of others, but only if the player perceived them as relevant to herself. Antagonism, characterized by grandiosity seems to be a common theme in her posting in fact. Example: calling CODE members and those who support them in any way GÇ£insaneGÇ¥, a legal definition and not a clinical one I might add. In the most recent posts she seems to have developed a pervasive pattern of cognitive or perceptual distortions and eccentricities of behavior in the form of a slew of baseless allegations against other players and companies; that may be considered by outside observers as suspiciousness, or paranoid ideation. From what I have seen of Dream FiveGÇÖs forums behavior, and by her own posting I would say NPD with a dash of SPD and projecting it on CODE in a destructive way that is not conducive to the cultural norms of EVE Online. I would like to thank you for writing one of the most well thought out and constructive posts I have seen in recent times. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 572	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:28:33 - [62] - Quote Viktor Fel wrote: Many EVE Online players do not have an issue with CODE, because we have been in EVE long enough to comprehend that CODE is doing, in part, what a game like EVE online as designed for. Creating oneGÇÖs own content within the scope of the game parameters. Dream Five may recall that I warned her in another thread of the perils of becoming too emotionally attached. The OP claims that she understood her overreactions prior to this latest thread, yet I see no proof in her posts that she has learned much at all. I have seen no proof of the allegations what so ever. Usually there is a digital trail of scams, etc. Yet the posts have offered no logs, conversation snippets, anything; to back your claim that you were ever a permit holder, let alone that one was revoked. Dream Five postings are still insinuating and/or accusing members of CODE and those who support what CODE is doing of various psychological disorders. The posting seems to be littered with emotionally charged conclusions as well. There is nothing that CODE does that deviates from the norm of EVE online culture, and there is certainly no criminality involved. In fact, it is a sense of ethics that drives CODE to do what they do. More so, CODE shows a certain amount of empathy for those miners/freighters who are not engaged in Bot-aspirant activities. CODE tends to free systems for people who actually enjoy the activities of mining and hauling from the true anti-social behavior of running 15 miner accounts simultaneously and stripping everything from high-sec systems, with absolutely no human interaction. Reading the posts of Dream Five however, I see a lot of what can be called a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations. In some of the posts there appears to be an inability to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. For example, Dream Five seems to care nothing for a miner when he/she logs into EVE to mine for an hour only to find the entire system has been stripped by two people, who interact with no one, running 12 accounts each. The responses of Dream Five seem to be excessively attuned to reactions of others, but only if the player perceived them as relevant to herself. Antagonism, characterized by grandiosity seems to be a common theme in her posting in fact. Example: calling CODE members and those who support them in any way GÇ£insaneGÇ¥, a legal definition and not a clinical one I might add. In the most recent posts she seems to have developed a pervasive pattern of cognitive or perceptual distortions and eccentricities of behavior in the form of a slew of baseless allegations against other players and companies; that may be considered by outside observers as suspiciousness, or paranoid ideation. From what I have seen of Dream FiveGÇÖs forums behavior, and by her own posting I would say NPD with a dash of SPD and projecting it on CODE in a destructive way that is not conducive to the cultural norms of EVE Online. I would like to thank you for writing one of the most well thought out and constructive posts I have seen in recent times. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 771	Posted - 2014.10.23 07:12:20 - [63] - Quote Dream Five wrote: Another attempt to redirect from player abuse to player mechanics. Just because you think i'm upset about loss of spaceships doesn't make it true. I'm however pretty upset about sociopathic players in this game who tried to get me on voice comms with clear and proven intention to humiliate, debase and enrage. Anyways I actually wish you luck in your endeavors and genuinely hope that his game will fold ASAP with your help. Just to dissolve this cesspool. But you are upset -> over a video game; it's easy to see and you shouldn't be comparing players of a video game to having IRL mental disorders simply because you disapprove of their play style. Not to mention damning CCP for not giving in to your demands; hence normal, legal, legitimate game mechanics. You should have scouted that gate the second time around, you didn't. All the events that took place afterwards are ultimately your fault. And, I would like to see some proof to these allegations of yours concerning NO members; a screen shot, a chat log, forward me some mail, etc. At the moment you have nothing but claims without any evidence nor proof. In other words you have nothing. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
290xanaots Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 19	Posted - 2014.10.23 08:48:34 - [64] - Quote I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter?
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie The Conference Elite CODE. 1090	Posted - 2014.10.23 11:30:29 - [65] - Quote Unlike my posts on many new order complaint threads, I am not trolling here. Dream Five, you have accused us of invalidating a permit for actions that are in no way against the new halaima code of conduct. Accusing the new order of invalidating permits is nothing new, but I have only ever seen one instance of this where the agent was in the wrong. In that instance, the miner's retriever was replaced, as the agent did not check the miner's presence at the keyboard in local prior to the gank operation. I am not familiar with your situation. I only wish to verify your accusation, which if true, might result in replacement of some of your losses assuming that you were found to be obeying all of the other provisions of the code. At present I sincerely doubt you were doing so. If you feel uncomfortable speaking about this publicly, send me an eve mail with the following information. 1. When was your permit revoked. 2. What was the name of the agent that originally sold you your permit. 3. What was the name of the agent that revoked the permit. 4. Any chat logs you might have relating to the invalidation of your permit. While not strictly necessary, this would be exceedingly helpful. Of course your other option is to continue ignoring my posts, and then asking for this thread to be locked like the others. I really hope you won't do that, as I would like to get to the bottom of this. - Rhubarb New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 0	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:16:38 - [66] - Quote I think that if there was any substance to this claim of "afk in station" permit revocation... Well we would have seen some evidence by now. Stress? Just cool it... A Diplomat for the New Order. Praise James!
Formerly Known AsAC The Conference Elite CODE. 574	Posted - 2014.10.23 23:28:46 - [67] - Quote Super Perforator wrote: I think that if there was any substance to this claim of "afk in station" permit revocation... Well we would have seen some evidence by now. Or if there was any permit purchase to being with... I wonder if OP will come entertain us in system today by 'winning the war by loosing freighters' The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Formerly Known As AC The Conference Elite CODE. 592	Posted - 2014.10.23 23:28:46 - [68] - Quote Super Perforator wrote: I think that if there was any substance to this claim of "afk in station" permit revocation... Well we would have seen some evidence by now. Or if there was any permit purchase to being with... I wonder if OP will come entertain us in system today by 'winning the war by loosing freighters' The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Code Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 646	Posted - 2014.10.23 23:28:46 - [69] - Quote Super Perforator wrote: I think that if there was any substance to this claim of "afk in station" permit revocation... Well we would have seen some evidence by now. Or if there was any permit purchase to being with... I wonder if OP will come entertain us in system today by 'winning the war by loosing freighters' The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.23 23:28:46 - [70] - Quote Super Perforator wrote: I think that if there was any substance to this claim of "afk in station" permit revocation... Well we would have seen some evidence by now. Or if there was any permit purchase to being with... I wonder if OP will come entertain us in system today by 'winning the war by loosing freighters' The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á

CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.23 23:28:46 - [71] - Quote Super Perforator wrote: I think that if there was any substance to this claim of "afk in station" permit revocation... Well we would have seen some evidence by now. Or if there was any permit purchase to being with... I wonder if OP will come entertain us in system today by 'winning the war by loosing freighters' The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 104	Posted - 2014.10.24 00:31:56 - [72] - Quote Dream Five wrote: "CCP also intend to clamp down on behaviour in fanfest panels, admitting in a long devblog that theyGÇÖre increasingly mindful of how they and their game might be perceived by the wider world. GÇ£Time for us to grow up a bit. GÇ£Internet spaceshipsGÇ¥ are often called GÇ£serious businessGÇ¥, but increasingly they actually are serious business. It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. We would be remiss not to use this as a chance to revise our event and communication strategies.GÇ¥ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28575 "It is moments like this that remind us that there are people beyond the characters we encounter and everyone in the EVE universe should always treat other players with a base human level of respect and decencyGÇöwhether enemies or not. " Looks like an F for FAIL for CCP. Cesspool. Yawn IBTL
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 433	Posted - 2014.10.24 01:21:43 - [73] - Quote 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 237	Posted - 2014.10.24 03:16:02 - [74] - Quote Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 433	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:32:23 - [75] - Quote John E Normus wrote: Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! That's funny. Tbh I have to concede some of the posts on minerbumping made me laugh. Some of it is on the sickening end of laughter but maybe if you kept your stuff a bit more lighthearted you wouldn't be suspect of deliberately enraging the players. I'm beginning to think I could be wrong about the whole thing tbh and you are really just pranksters without evil intentions but simply a sickly sense of humor.
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 433	Posted - 2014.10.24 16:07:34 - [76] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Unlike my posts on many new order complaint threads, I am not trolling here. Dream Five, you have accused us of invalidating a permit for actions that are in no way against the new halaima code of conduct. Accusing the new order of invalidating permits is nothing new, but I have only ever seen one instance of this where the agent was in the wrong. In that instance, the miner's retriever was replaced, as the agent did not check the miner's presence at the keyboard in local prior to the gank operation. I am not familiar with your situation. I only wish to verify your accusation, which if true, might result in replacement of some of your losses assuming that you were found to be obeying all of the other provisions of the code. At present I sincerely doubt you were doing so. If you feel uncomfortable speaking about this publicly, send me an eve mail with the following information. 1. When was your permit revoked. 2. What was the name of the agent that originally sold you your permit. 3. What was the name of the agent that revoked the permit. 4. Any chat logs you might have relating to the invalidation of your permit. While not strictly necessary, this would be exceedingly helpful. Of course your other option is to continue ignoring my posts, and then asking for this thread to be locked like the others. I really hope you won't do that, as I would like to get to the bottom of this. - Rhubarb It is indeed plausible that it was an isolated mistake. I don't have the data to tell that this is a systematic procedure so yes my logic was flawed there. I also didn't lose any ships in connection with that incident. Permit was bought from loyalanon and revoked by karma balancer probably a couple months ago I don't remember exactly when.
Formerly Known AsAC The Conference Elite CODE. 577	Posted - 2014.10.24 16:50:54 - [77] - Quote Dream Five wrote: John E Normus wrote: Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! That's funny. Tbh I have to concede some of the posts on minerbumping made me laugh. Some of it is on the sickening end of laughter but maybe if you kept your stuff a bit more lighthearted you wouldn't be suspect of deliberately enraging the players. I'm beginning to think I could be wrong about the whole thing tbh and you are really just pranksters without evil intentions but simply a sickly sense of humor. In that case you should be more aware of how it affects players. Furthermore I'm not contributing anything positive to the game with this 'campaign' so I guess it was lost before I even started. So does this mean you're giving up? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Formerly Known As AC The Conference Elite CODE. 592	Posted - 2014.10.24 16:50:54 - [78] - Quote Dream Five wrote: John E Normus wrote: Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! That's funny. Tbh I have to concede some of the posts on minerbumping made me laugh. Some of it is on the sickening end of laughter but maybe if you kept your stuff a bit more lighthearted you wouldn't be suspect of deliberately enraging the players. I'm beginning to think I could be wrong about the whole thing tbh and you are really just pranksters without evil intentions but simply a sickly sense of humor. In that case you should be more aware of how it affects players. Furthermore I'm not contributing anything positive to the game with this 'campaign' so I guess it was lost before I even started. So does this mean you're giving up? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Code Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 646	Posted - 2014.10.24 16:50:54 - [79] - Quote Dream Five wrote: John E Normus wrote: Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! That's funny. Tbh I have to concede some of the posts on minerbumping made me laugh. Some of it is on the sickening end of laughter but maybe if you kept your stuff a bit more lighthearted you wouldn't be suspect of deliberately enraging the players. I'm beginning to think I could be wrong about the whole thing tbh and you are really just pranksters without evil intentions but simply a sickly sense of humor. In that case you should be more aware of how it affects players. Furthermore I'm not contributing anything positive to the game with this 'campaign' so I guess it was lost before I even started. So does this mean you're giving up? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.24 16:50:54 - [80] - Quote Dream Five wrote: John E Normus wrote: Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! That's funny. Tbh I have to concede some of the posts on minerbumping made me laugh. Some of it is on the sickening end of laughter but maybe if you kept your stuff a bit more lighthearted you wouldn't be suspect of deliberately enraging the players. I'm beginning to think I could be wrong about the whole thing tbh and you are really just pranksters without evil intentions but simply a sickly sense of humor. In that case you should be more aware of how it affects players. Furthermore I'm not contributing anything positive to the game with this 'campaign' so I guess it was lost before I even started. So does this mean you're giving up? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á

CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.24 16:50:54 - [81] - Quote Dream Five wrote: John E Normus wrote: Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! That's funny. Tbh I have to concede some of the posts on minerbumping made me laugh. Some of it is on the sickening end of laughter but maybe if you kept your stuff a bit more lighthearted you wouldn't be suspect of deliberately enraging the players. I'm beginning to think I could be wrong about the whole thing tbh and you are really just pranksters without evil intentions but simply a sickly sense of humor. In that case you should be more aware of how it affects players. Furthermore I'm not contributing anything positive to the game with this 'campaign' so I guess it was lost before I even started. So does this mean you're giving up? The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Dream Five Renegade Pleasure Androids 433	Posted - 2014.10.25 02:53:22 - [82] - Quote Formerly Known AsAC wrote: Dream Five wrote: John E Normus wrote: Dream Five wrote: 290xanaots wrote: I'm so sad that I haven't had the chance to poast in one of your threads before, Mr. Five. I feel that I must make up for lost time here! How should I feel as both a Goon and a member of the New Order, Mr. Five? You say that we Goons are allowed our fun but that the New Order is not. I don't know if I should check myself into my local space-hospital and get tested for space-sociopathy or not. What is your opinion on the matter? As a goon you should feel like a regular/typical somethingawful guy I guess? I have no idea. It's not my business to tell you how you should feel. I have no real quarrel with goons, even if they gank all of my freighters, as I don't believe/encountered evidence that they are systematically evil and have bad intentions towards fellow eve players (including the Mittani, notwithstanding his comments). I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to him (if he cares, which he shouldn't). Simply put, I don't believe goons as an organization are systematically after Schadenfreude. Which is what my crusade is about wrt New Order. I would go out on a limb and suggest that as a New Order member you might consider closely examining your feelings and see if you feel like a prison guard after reading about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Now you've done it. You just proved that one of my frenemies was right! "The New Order, making goons the good guys since 2012" ~ Kalorned Damn you Kalorned!!!!! That's funny. Tbh I have to concede some of the posts on minerbumping made me laugh. Some of it is on the sickening end of laughter but maybe if you kept your stuff a bit more lighthearted you wouldn't be suspect of deliberately enraging the players. I'm beginning to think I could be wrong about the whole thing tbh and you are really just pranksters without evil intentions but simply a sickly sense of humor. In that case you should be more aware of how it affects players. Furthermore I'm not contributing anything positive to the game with this 'campaign' so I guess it was lost before I even started. So does this mean you're giving up? Yes. Not worth my energy and too much grey area speculation. Plus nobody cares anyway.
Formerly Known As AC The Conference Elite CODE. 594	Posted - 2014.10.25 04:45:13 - [83] - Quote The Code always wins. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Formerly Known AsAC The Conference Elite CODE. 596	Posted - 2014.10.25 04:45:13 - [84] - Quote The Code always wins. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Code Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 646	Posted - 2014.10.25 04:45:13 - [85] - Quote The Code always wins. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.25 04:45:13 - [86] - Quote The Code always wins. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.25 04:45:13 - [87] - Quote The Code always wins. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
290xanaots Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 21	Posted - 2014.10.25 06:47:09 - [88] - Quote Thanks soooo much for the response, Dream Five. I've done some serious soul-searching, and I've come to the conclusion that my actions as a New Order agent can only serve to improve the playerbase of this game we all love. The guys that quit are the guys that can't handle a cutthroat PVP sandbox, and anybody that tries to stop us is thus driven to interact with the sandbox more than the bot-aspirants. It's a win-win, you see. You should come over to our side. I'll show you how it's done. PS: your character is totally hot. Like a total babe. You should private convo me for some RP some time.
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2179	Posted - 2014.10.25 16:54:19 - [89] - Quote Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make **** threads. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. Phoebe:**_ Remember remember the fourth of november._
Balrog Valarauko Occupational Hazzard The Bastion 8	Posted - 2014.10.25 22:45:12 - [90] - Quote In queue for stuff.

290xanaots Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 21	Posted - 2014.10.26 00:25:41 - [91] - Quote KuroVolt wrote: Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make ****** threads. This isn't a New Order thread. This is a tears thread started by Dream Five. He was shunted here from General Discussion. CCP should really just give the New Order the respect it deserves and create a subforum for us. It would make it much easier for those interested in finding New Order related content on the forums; they wouldn't have to dig through the various subforums to find their favorite content! Make it happen, CCP!
Formerly Known AsAC The Conference Elite CODE. 603	Posted - 2014.10.26 00:28:02 - [92] - Quote 290xanaots wrote: KuroVolt wrote: Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make ****** threads. This isn't a New Order thread. This is a tears thread started by Dream Five. He was shunted here from General Discussion. CCP should really just give the New Order the respect it deserves and create a subforum for us. It would make it much easier for those interested in finding New Order related content on the forums; they wouldn't have to dig through the various subforums to find their favorite content! Make it happen, CCP! I agree! That way we could easily assist people with permit requests and further education of The Code and how to be compliant. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Code Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 646	Posted - 2014.10.26 00:28:02 - [93] - Quote 290xanaots wrote: KuroVolt wrote: Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make ****** threads. This isn't a New Order thread. This is a tears thread started by Dream Five. He was shunted here from General Discussion. CCP should really just give the New Order the respect it deserves and create a subforum for us. It would make it much easier for those interested in finding New Order related content on the forums; they wouldn't have to dig through the various subforums to find their favorite content! Make it happen, CCP! I agree! That way we could easily assist people with permit requests and further education of The Code and how to be compliant. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.26 00:28:02 - [94] - Quote 290xanaots wrote: KuroVolt wrote: Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make ****** threads. This isn't a New Order thread. This is a tears thread started by Dream Five. He was shunted here from General Discussion. CCP should really just give the New Order the respect it deserves and create a subforum for us. It would make it much easier for those interested in finding New Order related content on the forums; they wouldn't have to dig through the various subforums to find their favorite content! Make it happen, CCP! I agree! That way we could easily assist people with permit requests and further education of The Code and how to be compliant. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 706	Posted - 2014.10.26 00:28:02 - [95] - Quote 290xanaots wrote: KuroVolt wrote: Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make ****** threads. This isn't a New Order thread. This is a tears thread started by Dream Five. He was shunted here from General Discussion. CCP should really just give the New Order the respect it deserves and create a subforum for us. It would make it much easier for those interested in finding New Order related content on the forums; they wouldn't have to dig through the various subforums to find their favorite content! Make it happen, CCP! I agree! That way we could easily assist people with permit requests and further education of The Code and how to be compliant. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 380	Posted - 2014.10.28 00:06:53 - [96] - Quote KuroVolt wrote: Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make ****** threads. I have seen you write about your discomfort with this posts in almost every thread some random carebear starts about us. Be ensured that we have no control over this. It's simply a consequence of the player group we target ingame which seams to be an extremely entitled crowd with wrong expectations. Because of this we seam to generate a lot of noise in the forums even as a relatively small alliance. Then again, you are part of one of the oldest alliances in this game and by not acting and ignoring the highsec problem with it's extensive bot-aspirancy you are in part responsible for the mess. It seams that only a few nullsec alliances feel responsible for the whole game and help to keep this plague in check, heroes like the goons for example. the Code ALWAYS wins
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 386	Posted - 2014.10.28 12:26:30 - [97] - Quote And by small alliance I don't mean small in ingame impact and destroyed assets, like for example CVA. I mean small amount of player numbers, unlike CVA. Just to clarify. the Code ALWAYS wins
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra 1219	Posted - 2014.11.04 07:45:18 - [98] - Quote CODE Agent AC wrote: 290xanaots wrote: KuroVolt wrote: Wish CODE threads would stay in CaP and not intrude into CAOD. Then again, this place is pretty much dead anyway. Edit: I guess seeing as ISD has said they are basically going to let this place do whatever, CODE saw an oppertunity to make ****** threads. This isn't a New Order thread. This is a tears thread started by Dream Five. He was shunted here from General Discussion. CCP should really just give the New Order the respect it deserves and create a subforum for us. It would make it much easier for those interested in finding New Order related content on the forums; they wouldn't have to dig through the various subforums to find their favorite content! Make it happen, CCP! I agree! That way we could easily assist people with permit requests and further education of The Code and how to be compliant. The EVE-O forum community as a whole, and Reddit, eagerly await the movement of Code aka Dream Five's New Order to their rightfully earned place in A Reddit/r/CODE. Subreddit.
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 502	Posted - 2014.11.07 08:12:09 - [99] - Quote I love the tears.
CODE Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 708	Posted - 2014.11.07 16:52:32 - [100] - Quote loyalanon wrote: I love the tears. They are a valuable asset. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á

admiral root Red Galaxy 1816	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:13:33 - [101] - Quote Quality thread. If Dream Five is quitting, though, how will he ever again win our coveted dummy of the week award? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. is recruiting highsec PvPers for wardecs \| New Order diplomat "no one hates you, none of us care enough for that".
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 246	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:35:23 - [102] - Quote Well root, there was a thing last night and... you might want to check my killboard. gf Between Ignorance and Wisdom


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